Fryatt

[Maybes]

This whole thread has to be some sort of joke.

I agree.

[monsieur grande]

I agree.

Collymore what you drinking mate?

its quite some joke , if it is, its had 5500 views or so

[Collymore]

Why do you need pace when you can do this

Du du du du Matty Fryatt

He scored 20 goals before Christmas you know, did Beckford do that?

[Guest BlueBrett]

Cant see fatty coming back. Feel the same way I imagine most do about him - nice lad, did his best for us and wish him well but no place for him in our evolving team.. Waghorn on the other hand I would love to see back in a city shirt. Absolutely convinced he's got more to offer than we've seen from him so far and he's also a hell of a tryer.

[Webbo]

Why do you need pace when you can do this

Du du du du Matty Fryatt

He scored 20 goals before Christmas you know, did Beckford do that?

I love the guy but it's not going to happen is it?

[Bert]

Why do you need pace when you can do this

Du du du du Matty Fryatt

He scored 20 goals before Christmas you know, did Beckford do that?

Maybe not. How's Fryatt done since he left us? Do you remember the amount of one on ones he missed? Northampton at home for one.

[Collymore]

Maybe not. How's Fryatt done since he left us? Do you remember the amount of one on ones he missed? Northampton at home for one.

Yeah but if he'd taken all his chances he wouldn't be human, you can spin stats however you wish.

I'd have a goal drought if I went Hull, he must be so depressed there at the moment. Come home Matty :scarf:

[Jimmy]

Yeah but if he'd taken all his chances he wouldn't be human, you can spin stats however you wish.

I'd have a goal drought if I went Hull, he must be so depressed there at the moment. Come home Matty :scarf:

what like he was here, sulking, giving a half arsed performance when given a chance and desperate to leave, overrated, wasteful and believes his own hype, we have better here already and could sign better should NP want another striker

[wellyfox]

what like he was here, sulking, giving a half arsed performance when given a chance and desperate to leave, overrated, wasteful and believes his own hype, we have better here already and could sign better should NP want another striker

So right would not want him back even if hull gave him too us as part of the NP deal.

[flowwolf]

what like he was here, sulking, giving a half arsed performance when given a chance and desperate to leave, overrated, wasteful and believes his own hype, we have better here already and could sign better should NP want another striker

Christ that sounds like a write up for Beckford ! :giggle: :giggle:

[monsieur grande]

THIS THREAD IS A COMPLETE JOKE!! Get out your armchair, and stop drinking whiskey.... The standard is alot higher now, think "sven goran erikson, not good enough for us!", and thats the kindof standard we are at, COLLYMORE, you are obviously pulling our LEGS.

the owners wont fork out for fryatt, They want their money spent wisely.

In my opinion we need 3 QUALITY signings in January, and people who are in form, beckford has come from everton where he wasnt getting games, confidence was low, like a leeds fan said, beckford did well for them after they sent him out on loan where he scored lots and he came back with form, we cant afford to wait, so bring in players that are currently doing well at the moment, none of this hoping they will be good again

[dannythefox]

THIS THREAD IS A COMPLETE JOKE!! Get out your armchair, and stop drinking whiskey.... The standard is alot higher now, think "sven goran erikson, not good enough for us!", and thats the kindof standard we are at, COLLYMORE, you are obviously pulling our LEGS.

the owners wont fork out for fryatt, They want their money spent wisely.

In my opinion we need 3 QUALITY signings in January, and people who are in form, beckford has come from everton where he wasnt getting games, confidence was low, like a leeds fan said, beckford did well for them after they sent him out on loan where he scored lots and he came back with form, we cant afford to wait, so bring in players that are currently doing well at the moment, none of this hoping they will be good again

No it's people who have there eyes painted on like you that think that! Were worse than when Pearson was here last time. FACT!

[monsieur grande]

No it's people who have there eyes painted on like you that think that! Were worse than when Pearson was here last time. FACT!

yes maybe thats the problem with the modern game, we (and especially the owners) demand success, instantly. and so we are not like man utd building up slowly, we are like chelsea, new managaers, and spend millions are hope it works. its the new style, unfortunely, so yes we maybe worse than whan under pearson last time, but our standards are higher cus of the money we have, ( when pearson get us in the playoffs, that was more that we expected)

[Langston]

There is no way you can say Schlupp is better than Fryatt at this stage. Vassell is debatable as they are completely different players and unfortunately Howard's past it.

Beckford and Fryatt had a similar goal record in league one, and JB's hardly set the world alight in his Championship appearances to date.

I really liked Fryatt when he was here, and I think he was and is massively underappreciated by a lot of our fans. But I wouldn't take him back because I think we can do better not because we have better.

Agreed. Some of his finishes in our League One season, and indeed in the Championship before he got attacked by Stock - really were excellent.

Schlupp is clearly a talent but I'm afraid to say I think he's being over-hyped a touch.

[dannythefox]

yes maybe thats the problem with the modern game, we (and especially the owners) demand success, instantly. and so we are not like man utd building up slowly, we are like chelsea, new managaers, and spend millions are hope it works. its the new style, unfortunely, so yes we maybe worse than whan under pearson last time, but our standards are higher cus of the money we have, ( when pearson get us in the playoffs, that was more that we expected)

The problem we have is when Pearson was here last time we didn't have the best 11 in the league BUT they played very well as a team and they knew each others football inside out. Now we have better players what have only played well 3-4 times this season together Pearson will sort it out though and Kingy will be firing on all cylinders again so happy days.

[monsieur grande]

The problem we have is when Pearson was here last time we didn't have the best 11 in the league BUT they played very well as a team and they knew each others football inside out. Now we have better players what have only played well 3-4 times this season together Pearson will sort it out though and Kingy will be firing on all cylinders again so happy days.

thats why im slightly impressed with the owners, they have made a sensible choice with the manager, and didnt get a high profile star manager, to attract the big stars. Maybe they are slowly learning that it is about team play, and not throwing money about, and they know nige can build a team that works together. They probably learnt that when they had to pay shit loads for beckford

[hackneyfox]

ffs

This squad is clearly better than the one Pearson had when he was here before, as a team they may not perform as well.

Fryatt can fook off.

[Nick]

Pearson is good at spotting a decent winger and man managing difficult forwards like Gradel and Dj, oh no....wait......

[Thracian]

Hobbs apparently only looks good with Chester alongside him.

Without Wayne Brown alongside him last season he struggled too. Seems like he needs to have another defender to hold his hand for him to play well.

If we're ever going to attack properly and score the goals we need to win promotion, we just cannot persist with defenders who give the ball away so easily. You can just about get away with one but we already have several. It's as if our fans have a death wish where football is concerned.

Look at the really great sides both now and in the past. They passed the ball comfortably in every area and had players who were keen to and capable of supporting the side as it moved forwards. We just don't have that fluidity and Hobbs wouldn't help. Especially alongside someone like Mills who's just the same.

And Hobbs hardly scores either. Two goals in 154 club appearances. That's pitiful for such a big man who's so seemingly good in the area and it's something that has to be considered - at least it would be by me. Walshy scored 53 goals for Leicester in 369 appearances and probably contributed to a lot more he was such a threat.

We give all those potential goals away. We get hardly any goals from full-back, very few from most of our abundance of journeymen midfielders and just a trickle from the wings or from Kingy. We don't play Schlupp, Beckford's been dismal so, apart from all that, it's Nugent or nothing. We're a total mess and want yet another "nothing" player in the side.

I've no idea where who has input into who we should sign but it needs to change. To someone who knows what's required for an effective team and which players would provide that. Hobbs wouldn't and as for Fryatt I think comparing him with Craig Mackail-Smith is like comparing a Gulfstream jet with a Beechcraft Bonanza...both worthy aircraft in their way but you'll get a lot further and faster with the one than the other.

[Guest Col city fan]

If we're ever going to attack properly and score the goals we need to win promotion, we just cannot persist with defenders who give the ball away so easily. You can just about get away with one but we already have several. It's as if our fans have a death wish where football is concerned.

Look at the really great sides both now and in the past. They passed the ball comfortably in every area and had players who were keen to and capable of supporting the side as it moved forwards. We just don't have that fluidity and Hobbs wouldn't help. Especially alongside someone like Mills who's just the same.

And Hobbs hardly scores either. Two goals in 154 club appearances. That's pitiful for such a big man who's so seemingly good in the area and it's something that has to be considered - at least it would be by me. Walshy scored 53 goals for Leicester in 369 appearances and probably contributed to a lot more he was such a threat.

We give all those potential goals away. We get hardly any goals from full-back, very few from most of our abundance of journeymen midfielders and just a trickle from the wings or from Kingy. We don't play Schlupp, Beckford's been dismal so, apart from all that, it's Nugent or nothing. We're a total mess and want yet another "nothing" player in the side.

I've no idea where who has input into who we should sign but it needs to change. To someone who knows what's required for an effective team and which players would provide that. Hobbs wouldn't and as for Fryatt I think comparing him with Craig Mackail-Smith is like comparing a Gulfstream jet with a Beechcraft Bonanza...both worthy aircraft in their way but you'll get a lot further and faster with the one than the other.

Where do you get em from?

[Thracian]

Agreed. Some of his finishes in our League One season, and indeed in the Championship before he got attacked by Stock - really were excellent.

Schlupp is clearly a talent but I'm afraid to say I think he's being over-hyped a touch.

He's hardly been "hyped" at all and more especially since glamour-boy Beckford arrived.

It's actually a handicap to be ex-Academy at Leicester cos our fans are like kids at Christmas with every outside signing whether they're any good or not (which is far more often the case).

Schlupp's problem is being burdened with a long and comfortable contract but, football wise I suspect he'll be better off following Gradel to a club that's prepared to play him, longer than an insulting or soul-destroying few minutes at the fag end of a match.

Kingy's the same. He's got a long contract too. But he needs to be playing in a proper team with proper width, proper movement and a positive outlook to get the best out of him.

He'll never be fully appreciated here, he's just not outwardly aggressive enough although, in reality, he's a lot more cool and ruthlessly effecient in front of goal - and in his passing - than most we've got.

Our prospect now seems to be a team of spoilers. Wayne Brown types and harrassers who'll protect the defence but might somehow score with a rebound. The quest for 0-0 shut-outs on our travels, for hit-and-run 1-0's and the occasional Walsall-type flourish when the opposition's a bit naff or knackered. Mean-machine football but, as Pearson might say, "it's the result that counts".

Except that, so far, we haven't got the results either from Pearson or anyone else.

And, after Gradel's experience, I can't see Pearson relying on players like Schlupp to get em. He hasn't got the experience and he's not likely to get it with Pearson chasing a big bonus for promotion this season. He won't have the time or the incentive to "develop" players...as Gradel might mention.

[Guest Col city fan]

He's hardly been "hyped" at all and more especially since glamour-boy Beckford arrived.

It's actually a handicap to be ex-Academy at Leicester cos our fans are like kids at Christmas with every outside signing whether they're any good or not (which is far more often the case).

Schlupp's problem is being burdened with a long and comfortable contract but, football wise I suspect he'll be better off following Gradel to a club that's prepared to play him, longer than an insulting or soul-destroying few minutes at the fag end of a match.

Kingy's the same. He's got a long contract too. But he needs to be playing in a proper team with proper width, proper movement and a positive outlook to get the best out of him.

He'll never be fully appreciated here, he's just not outwardly aggressive enough although, in reality, he's a lot more cool and ruthlessly effecient in front of goal - and in his passing - than most we've got.

Our prospect now seems to be a team of spoilers. Wayne Brown types and harrassers who'll protect the defence but might somehow score with a rebound. The quest for 0-0 shut-outs on our travels, for hit-and-run 1-0's and the occasional Walsall-type flourish when the opposition's a bit naff or knackered. Mean-machine football but, as Pearson might say, "it's the result that counts".

Except that, so far, we haven't got the results either from Pearson or anyone else.

And, after Gradel's experience, I can't see Pearson relying on players like Schlupp to get em. He hasn't got the experience and he's not likely to get it with Pearson chasing a big bonus for promotion this season. He won't have the time or the incentive to "develop" players...as Gradel might mention.

I can never really understand this argument.....

I can see that having a good Academy set-up can enable players with potential to develop and to flourish.

Like King and Max, surely if any young players were considered to be 'good enough' to push through to the first team then they would do so.

You almost talk as though any Manager City may have shows no interest in the Academy set-up. I know for a fact (through a source which I cannot disclose) that this was not true of Sven who spent time at the Academy, talking to the younger players and praising the Youth set up and facilities. Sven and his backroom staff were aware of the up and coming talent (no pun intended).

However..... management is a results business, built upon relatively short-term contracts, public expectation etc. etc... in other words, many many pressures are involved to get a happy dressing room, please the fans and get results on the pitch.

Which of City's young players, released from the club, have really gone on to shine elsewhere?

Max did well at Leeds but has been sold.... Ash Chambers is doing well at York, but they are a conference side, Billy Kee, Billy McKay...the list is quite endless of our own youth players not pulling up trees anywhere else they have gone to.

Its a results business..bottom line...and its gonna be a brave manager, particularly at a Club like City, what with the level of expectation and the funds we now have, who is gonna take a risk of giving a young player the run in the first team they might need to be able to move onto the next level.

HOWEVER... if they are going to be good enough..and this is pretty clear, then that risk may just be taken. MON did it with Emile Heskey, Pearson with Kingy but I can't for the life of me think of many more that have come through and established themselves as a first team regular.

If YOU were manager (oh you'd love that wouldnt ya would you not play Beckford and risk Schlupp? or drop Mills in favour of Tom Parkes?

Knowing you, you probably would.. and if this didnt work you'd lose your job pretty quickly.

To summarise, unless our young players are clearly going to be good enough, I think its fairer to let them go elsewhere.

[C.J]

I hope he doesn't bring Fryatt back (whenever Pearson decides to come back). That is all.

[Jimmy]

Thracian is only happy when he's saying someone should leave the club, seriously Tony if its upsetting you this much then don't go, spend your time doing something you'd enjoy instead

[Simi]

Fryatt is ****ing shit. Most overrated player we've ever had possibly.