The God Emperor Posted 18 May 2014 Posted 18 May 2014 seemed a bit pointless. A lot of knit picking. I'm getting a bit fed up of all the accusations of racism that are thrown at any fringe party that gets a bit of a following.
Sir Fynwy Posted 18 May 2014 Posted 18 May 2014 Vote UKIP. You forgot to add the words if you are an absolute idiot to that
The Doctor Posted 18 May 2014 Posted 18 May 2014 Breath of fresh air in politics Privately educated man from a rich family and part of an old boys club - bar looking like Beaker from the Muppets, how is he different to the political beast that is Clegg, Cameron or Milliband? Those of you who would vote UKIP - tell me one policy not related to the EU or immigration, and name three of their senior leadership. Without googling it. Policies isn't really possible given they abandoned the 2010 manifesto and haven't replaced it. Any criticism of their "policies" is just criticism of the stuff their members have come out with. It'd be like claiming Labour are a bunch of Black Supremacists because of Diana Abbotts moronic twitter stuff. Of course the bigger issue there is that we have a political party who don't have a clue what they'll be doing in government and are just buying votes as an "alternative"
bovril Posted 19 May 2014 Posted 19 May 2014 Having spent a lot of time in Bucharest, I have to say I'd be delighted if a group of Romanian women moved next door to me.
Nick Posted 19 May 2014 Posted 19 May 2014 You forgot to add the words if you are an absolute idiot to that
Guest MattP Posted 19 May 2014 Posted 19 May 2014 You forgot to add the words if you are an absolute idiot to that Tell us who the smart ones vote for oh great enlightened one! Not a great interview to say the least but irrelevant in reality to the issues of what people will vote on this Thursday. A lot of the elite seem to think this about general issues when in reality its a vote agaisnt the rich, the establishment and the power hungry corrupt institution that is the EU. in reality, the only 'idiots' are the lefties that are now voting in favour of everything that supposedly hate just because they don't want to be seen as aligning with UKIP. They have been conned and they seem oblivious to it.
Nick Posted 19 May 2014 Posted 19 May 2014 It's comforting to know there's an ex public school boy city broker from leafy Kent to save us from the rich, Matt.
Nick Posted 19 May 2014 Posted 19 May 2014 Class war politics again. So predictable. Look busy, Matt - the Romanians are coming.
Guest MattP Posted 19 May 2014 Posted 19 May 2014 Look busy, Matt - the Romanians are coming. It's ok Nick, Red Ed will save us. He understands normal people. What sets Farage apart? Maybe people actuality like the fact he made his own money and had a real job. You keep supporting the excessive taxing the poor to pay for EU politicians more right wing than Farage to drive around in limos. Very liberal and fair of you.
Captain... Posted 19 May 2014 Posted 19 May 2014 in reality, the only 'idiots' are the lefties that are now voting in favour of everything that supposedly hate just because they don't want to be seen as aligning with UKIP. They have been conned and they seem oblivious to it. To say everyone not voting for the UKIPs is an idiot, is just like saying that everyone voting for UKIP is a racist, ridiculous comment. People like me will not vote for UKIP because we fundamentally believe that we are better as a United Europe and that we should be working towards a greater collaborative Europe rather than isolating ourselves, especially when we are arguably at our weakest and most reliant on imports. It's as simple as that, not worried about being branded racist, the fact UKIP attracts a lot of idiots gives the papers and comedians a lot of ammunition, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of people are fundamentally against leaving the EU.
Guest MattP Posted 19 May 2014 Posted 19 May 2014 How have you read what I have said as "anyone not voting Ukip is an idiot" - seriously? I'm saying those on the Tony Benn line of politics are the idiots who no doubt disagree with the whole institution but wouldn't vote against it because of the connection to the right. They are idiots. Of course I realise a lot of people support it and will defend it, as I've said before I thought it was actually a good idea when we voted for a common market and I would still support that. What a lot can't support though is the open borders, single currency and economic union with weaker eastern nations thst can only lower our own standards over time. Of course you support the EU, you're not a low paid unskilled worker who will be effected. Even for a Lib Dem you have an incredible hypocrisy towards the weakest in society, at least the politicians try to pretend they care about them. Are you completely all in with no reform?
Captain... Posted 19 May 2014 Posted 19 May 2014 How have you read what I have said as "anyone not voting Ukip is an idiot" - seriously? I'm saying those on the Tony Benn line of politics are the idiots who no doubt disagree with the whole institution but wouldn't vote against it because of the connection to the right. They are idiots. Of course I realise a lot of people support it and will defend it, as I've said before I thought it was actually a good idea when we voted for a common market and I would still support that. What a lot can't support though is the open borders, single currency and economic union with weaker eastern nations thst can only lower our own standards over time. Of course you support the EU, you're not a low paid unskilled worker who will be effected. Even for a Lib Dem you have an incredible hypocrisy towards the weakest in society, at least the politicians try to pretend they care about them. Are you completely all in with no reform? Of course I'm not, but you go ahead with more sweeping generalisations Matt.
lavrentis Posted 19 May 2014 Posted 19 May 2014 You forgot to add the words if you are an absolute idiot to that Don't forget racist and looney
Sir Fynwy Posted 19 May 2014 Posted 19 May 2014 Tell us who the smart ones vote for oh great enlightened one! Not a great interview to say the least but irrelevant in reality to the issues of what people will vote on this Thursday. A lot of the elite seem to think this about general issues when in reality its a vote agaisnt the rich, the establishment and the power hungry corrupt institution that is the EU. in reality, the only 'idiots' are the lefties that are now voting in favour of everything that supposedly hate just because they don't want to be seen as aligning with UKIP. They have been conned and they seem oblivious to it. Voting for a party that will not take part in EU politics is idiotic and reduces the UK powerbase in the EU parliament, vote left, vote right, vote middle ground but don't vote for a party that will sit on the sidelines doing nothing but taking wages and expenses.
Guest MattP Posted 19 May 2014 Posted 19 May 2014 Voting for a party that will not take part in EU politics is idiotic and reduces the UK powerbase in the EU parliament, vote left, vote right, vote middle ground but don't vote for a party that will sit on the sidelines doing nothing but taking wages and expenses. You get an allowance if you are an MEP. It's not classed as expenses. Of course they won't do much, ukip and it's support base will treat Strausborg and Brussels in the same contempt Sinn Fein does to Westminster. It's all about the message though, sending 25-30 UKIP MEPS shows the EU exactly what the British people think of it and from a personal point of view, I'd happily see all the parties lurch to the right. It's just as important for me that the Lib Dems do dreadfully as well given they are the party of in with no change whatsoever.
Guest MattP Posted 19 May 2014 Posted 19 May 2014 As a eurosceptic right winger, who would you suggest I vote for?
Captain... Posted 19 May 2014 Posted 19 May 2014 You get an allowance if you are an MEP. It's not classed as expenses. Of course they won't do much, ukip and it's support base will treat Strausborg and Brussels in the same contempt Sinn Fein does to Westminster. It's all about the message though, sending 25-30 UKIP MEPS shows the EU exactly what the British people think of it and from a personal point of view, I'd happily see all the parties lurch to the right. It's just as important for me that the Lib Dems do dreadfully as well given they are the party of in with no change whatsoever. The Lib Dems are not the party of "in with no change whatsoever", read their european manifesto, they are looking at a number of reforms, they are not looking at changing the freedom of movement, but there is actually a lot more to the EU than just that one issue. They are looking to try and reform the EU to cut bureacracy, costs and waste, and increase British influence as well as safeguarding British power within the EU but outside the Eurozone. Seriously, you do not need to lie to discredit them, they normally do a good enough job of that themselves.
Jon the Hat Posted 19 May 2014 Posted 19 May 2014 As a eurosceptic right winger, who would you suggest I vote for? The only party to offer a referendum on the EU? Easy one.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 19 May 2014 Posted 19 May 2014 You get an allowance if you are an MEP. It's not classed as expenses. Of course they won't do much, ukip and it's support base will treat Strausborg and Brussels in the same contempt Sinn Fein does to Westminster. It's all about the message though, sending 25-30 UKIP MEPS shows the EU exactly what the British people think of it and from a personal point of view, I'd happily see all the parties lurch to the right. It's just as important for me that the Lib Dems do dreadfully as well given they are the party of in with no change whatsoever. So a eurosceptic voter is quite happy to vote for people to not bother turning up and instead pay them a pretty penny to do bugger all which is one of the things that eurosceptics hate. It just doesn't add up to me
Webbo Posted 19 May 2014 Posted 19 May 2014 It'll be nice to vote conservative without being told I'm only doing because the Daily Mail told me to.
Webbo Posted 19 May 2014 Posted 19 May 2014 So a eurosceptic voter is quite happy to vote for people to not bother turning up and instead pay them a pretty penny to do bugger all which is one of the things that eurosceptics hate. It just doesn't add up to me By filling the seat they're stopping some other idiot voting in favour of something they're not.
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