Nigel Farage

[Rincewind]

Foreign inverters wouldn't work, they don't have the right plug. You could get an adapter I suppose.

Ok. very funny. That was the spell checker and i never double checked. Should have left it as investers.

[Strokes]

Ok. very funny. That was the spell checker and i never double checked. Should have left it as investers.

Oh sorry, its just that investors are not reknown for selling, so I wasn't sure.

[Rincewind]

Oh sorry, its just that investors are not reknown for selling, so I wasn't sure.

true change it to traders

[Alf Bentley]

I find it mildly amusing that most people seem to be forgetting about the lib dems...

 

They always used to be dishonest in a different way: presenting themselves as the nice guys with the positive campaigns, unlike the other dirty dealers sordidly compromising for power (though in local politics they always had the reputation of being the dirtiest campaigners of the lot!).

 

Now that they've lost their virginity in national politics, they'll have to adopt a different approach. So far, that approach seems to be to claim credit for anything popular that the coalition has done and to blame the Tories for all the bad stuff. Can't see that working, so reckon they'll have to retrench to their heartlands and wait for people to forget that they're as dishonest as the rest!

 

Terrible cock-up over tuition fees: an unjustifiable policy in the first place, but then to fail to negotiate any sort of compromise deal is just poor political strategy that their target voters will remember...

[BoneDog]

I agree with Farage's speeches about the EU and modern levels of immigration. Though I'm pretty sure he's just another cog of the elite's machine using the divide and rule tactic - but would like to think I'm wrong about that.

 

I don't dislike immigrants - I've worked with lots of them from many different countries, and all have been decent people. Unfortunately, the real reason for forced mass immigration on Europe is the upcoming (planned for decades, maybe centuries) chaos that will allow the 'New World' to be shaped. Is Ukip here just to help speed that process along?

 

Interesting video here. You've got a well-known zionist telling Europe that we will "not survive" without mass immigration, and at the same time she writes books supporting nationalism in Israel - only in Israel, Europe is not allowed. Her and her cronies don't like the idea of Europeans (which she is not) or European countries having nationalistic ideas though. Very hypocritical. She reminds me of those zionists before WW2 who were stirring up trouble and putting their own people in the firing line. Her whole speech is bang out of order if you ask me. Am I missing the point?

 

The comments section is of much interest in these tense times.

[Guest MattP]

Had a leaflet through the door from a local UKIP candidate. It had a list of proposals some I agree with some I do not. Well most I do not. They wan an Australian ype border control. Jobs only for British scrapping the high speed train and the money put into improving the roads and trains a better NHS and better conditions for older people; And of course no EU.

Not sure about the EU thing. I'm skeptical as how we would manage independently. Who would trade with us and would foreign inverters sell to us?

 

Yes they would Ken, just like they have at every other time over history. We'd probably be in an even stronger position given we could set our own trade terms with the wider World as well.

 

They always used to be dishonest in a different way: presenting themselves as the nice guys with the positive campaigns, unlike the other dirty dealers sordidly compromising for power (though in local politics they always had the reputation of being the dirtiest campaigners of the lot!).

 

Now that they've lost their virginity in national politics, they'll have to adopt a different approach. So far, that approach seems to be to claim credit for anything popular that the coalition has done and to blame the Tories for all the bad stuff. Can't see that working, so reckon they'll have to retrench to their heartlands and wait for people to forget that they're as dishonest as the rest!

 

Terrible cock-up over tuition fees: an unjustifiable policy in the first place, but then to fail to negotiate any sort of compromise deal is just poor political strategy that their target voters will remember...

 

If you had came down from a foreign country you would think Nick Clegg was a plant by the other parties to completely destroy the Lib Dems, I never wanted anything to do with them anyway, most on the right have always suspected the seediness of the Cyril Smiths types that run like a stream through the party and I doubt its much different today.

 

Let's be honest it's so so easy to promise things you know you won't be able to do or afford when you have no chance of power, poor old Nick was there left holding his cock when the day actually came when a Lib Dem had to take some responsibility, I pity the situation he found himself in.

 

Interesting video here. You've got a well-known zionist telling Europe that we will "not survive" without mass immigration, and at the same time she writes books supporting nationalism in Israel - only in Israel, Europe is not allowed. Her and her cronies don't like the idea of Europeans (which she is not) or European countries having nationalistic ideas though. Very hypocritical. She reminds me of those zionists before WW2 who were stirring up trouble and putting their own people in the firing line. Her whole speech is bang out of order if you ask me. Am I missing the point?

 

The comments section is of much interest in these tense times.

 

A Jew preaching on mass immigration to foreign lands whilst completely absolving Israel of the same fate, well I never.

[Guest MattP]

Farage on Friday in regard to his "egging".

 

 

IT'S FRIDAY so it must be Cambridgeshire! I’ve been on the road for two solid weeks now and in that time I have spoken to something like 10,000 people at public meetings and met hundreds more on walkabouts.

My “Join The People’s Army†tour has certainly been my biggest exercise yet in taking Ukip’s message directly to the British public.

And the reception I have received has been fantastic, marred only by a few idiots from the far Left who do not seem to understand the notions of democracy or free speech.

I was forced to cancel a walkabout in Swansea because of advanced reports that rent-a-mob had arrived and were causing trouble in the city. 

Then there came the very unpleasant incident in Nottingham and a totally unnecessary dry-cleaning bill.

 

Why do these self-styled “protesters†always seems to look like they could do with a good wash and need to put much more effort into their personal appearance if they really wish to make themselves employable?

On the upside, I have been able to visit a number of fabulous real ale pubs on a journey that has taken me from Sheffield to Gateshead, from Manchester to Dudley, from Portsmouth to Slough and onto Bath. 

And then from Swansea, to Nottingham and Derby and now to St Ives in Cambridgeshire.

Frederick Glenister was today charged with common assault in relation to the attack on Mr Farage [PETER CORNS]

The Ukip cavalcade has paid so much into the Treasury coffers in the form of fuel duty that it has probably made a significant dent in the deficit. 

I love doing these public meetings, getting out on the stump, the question-and-answer sessions. 

It is old-fashioned politics and there is a huge appetite for it among the British public.

The other party leaders only seem to venture out of Westminster very occasionally and then are only put in front of hand-picked and carefully choreographed audiences. 

We do things a bit differently in Ukip. 

CHILLING: Nigel Farage says his tour of Britain has seen him visit many fine real ale pubs [GETTY]

And I tell you what, we often get supporters or even members of other parties at our public meetings and though they may not agree with all that we say, they do appreciate that we made the effort to pitch up and argue through the big issues affecting people’s lives.

In the final two and a bit weeks of the European election campaign I suspect that TV and radio studios rather than country pubs and civic halls will be where I am mainly to be found. 

It is time to cross swords with the professional political and media class – take on the arguments, win the big debates. 

We have a second wave of campaign billboard posters to unveil. 

No doubt they are going to provoke more accusations of “racism†or “bigotry†from the political establishment. 

If there is one lie that I intend to firmly nail into the ground before this campaign is done it is the idea of Ukip being remotely a racist party.

The immigration policy we propose is entirely non-racist; to treat potential incomers from every country in the world on an equal basis by ensuring they have skills and attributes in short supply that can positively benefit Britain before we let them in. 

Yes, we want a much more stringent immigration policy that involves volume control and quality control. 

But the madness of giving unskilled people from all over Europe unlimited rights to come here while making it pretty tricky to get an Indian engineer or a New Zealand brain surgeon into the country has got to stop.

That’s not racism, it’s just common sense. 

I can feel the fear coming from the establishment political parties. I know why they are playing the race card. 

It is disreputable and it is low, but I expected nothing more of them.

But by attacking Ukip they are attacking the British people. 

The People’s Army is growing, Ukip morale remains high and the political earthquake is on its way. We are not going to be deflected by flying insults or flying eggs. 

We are going to keep our eyes on the prize.

My message to the Ukip troops is to stay focused, stay dignified and keep the faith with the good old-fashioned common sense of the British public. 

Together we are on the verge of achieving something pretty extraordinary.

 

The far-left had better be careful here, people tolerated it when they behaved like this towards Griffin and the BNP, I don't think people will with regards to UKIP and Farage.

[Mark_w]

Farage on Friday in regard to his "egging".

 

 

 

The far-left had better be careful here, people tolerated it when they behaved like this towards Griffin and the BNP, I don't think people will with regards to UKIP and Farage.

 

Does throwing an egg at Nigel Farage make you far-left?

[Guest MattP]

Does throwing an egg at Nigel Farage make you far-left?

 

I think he is referring to the HNH/SWP rent a mobs showing up to intimidate pensioners and protest at UKIP meetings rather than the actual egg thrower.

 

(although looking at him he does look like one of the great unwashed that infests their ranks so I wouldn't be surprised)

[BoneDog]

Was the egg-thrower wearing a false beard? When he was in that corner with the guy holding the placard in front of him I was sure it was a falsie.

[Mark_w]

I think he is referring to the HNH/SWP rent a mobs showing up to intimidate pensioners and protest at UKIP meetings rather than the actual egg thrower.

 

(although looking at him he does look like one of the great unwashed that infests their ranks so I wouldn't be surprised)

 

I didn't actually read the quote. Looks very long and very dull.

[Manwell Pablo]

Was the egg-thrower wearing a false beard? When he was in that corner with the guy holding the placard in front of him I was sure it was a falsie.

 

All a conspiracy, it was actually the Zionists who threw the egg

[Guest MattP]

I didn't actually read the quote. Looks very long and very dull.

 

Yet took the time to get involved in the discussion, shows the pull Mr Farage has.

[Mark_w]

Yet took the time to get involved in the discussion, shows the pull Mr Farage has.

 

Was it a free range egg?

[Guest MattP]

Was it a free range egg?

 

Looking at the bloke who threw it I'd be surprised.

[BoneDog]

All a conspiracy, it was actually the Zionists who threw the egg

 

I didn't say it was a conspiracy, I just wondered if he was wearing a false beard.

 

What is your education on history? GCSE, a few propaganda novels and History Channel documentaries?

 

Don't you spend most of your spare time playing or watching tennis, football and computer games? So forgive me if I don't take much notice when you pipe in on serious threads. You're no scholar by a long shot. Yours and a few others lectures/comments towards me make me larf. That said, I can see why it happens.

[Mark_w]

I didn't say it was a conspiracy, I just wondered if he was wearing a false beard.

 

What is your education on history? GCSE, a few propaganda novels and History Channel documentaries?

 

Don't you spend most of your spare time playing or watching tennis, football and computer games? So forgive me if I don't take much notice when you pipe in on serious threads. You're no scholar by a long shot. Yours and a few others lectures/comments towards me make me larf. That said, I can see why it happens.

 

Where does your historical knowledge come from out of interest?

[fleckneymike]

Where does your historical knowledge come from out of interest?

Horrible histories repeats and any documentary narrated by Neill Morrisey.

[Captain...]

we managed fine before the eu. who would trade with us? well, lots of people if we make trade attractive. Europe isn't the whole world and even then leaving the EU wouldn't mean an end to trade with Europe if we still have things that people in Europe want. Trading happens between people not governments, the state can make trade with people who live in a certain country more difficult by increasing tariffs and other regulations but I doubt European governments would be daft enough to cut off their nose to spite their face.

 

Of course people will still trade with us, the question is on what terms, outside the EU we would be able to negotiate these trade deals ourselves, but we wouldn't have the trading power of the EU behind us. Now if there is any evidence anywhere showing that the trade deals we have as part of the EU are worse than they were before the EU, and any evidence to suggest we could negotiate significantly better, and it would have to be more than marginally better because we would have to factor in a lot more time to negotiate and maintain trade deals not only with non eu countries, but also with the EU, we would also need to put a lot more checks on borders and customs, checking duty is paid on all goods coming in from the EU.

 

We also have to consider we are a net importer from the EU so any trade deals we make on equal terms will negatively affect us, as we buy more in than we sell, unless we can agree to maintain our trade agreement with the EU.

 

The immigration issue is really a minor one compared to the economic impact of considering leaving the EU, and it annoys me Farage and the UKIPs focus everything on it and not the real impact of leaving the EU. An Austrailia style approach would have very little difference other than to add extra bureaucracy, because it has been proven again and again that we need immigration to grow.  

[The God Emperor]

Of course people will still trade with us, the question is on what terms, outside the EU we would be able to negotiate these trade deals ourselves, but we wouldn't have the trading power of the EU behind us. Now if there is any evidence anywhere showing that the trade deals we have as part of the EU are worse than they were before the EU, and any evidence to suggest we could negotiate significantly better, and it would have to be more than marginally better because we would have to factor in a lot more time to negotiate and maintain trade deals not only with non eu countries, but also with the EU, we would also need to put a lot more checks on borders and customs, checking duty is paid on all goods coming in from the EU.

 

We also have to consider we are a net importer from the EU so any trade deals we make on equal terms will negatively affect us, as we buy more in than we sell, unless we can agree to maintain our trade agreement with the EU.

 

The immigration issue is really a minor one compared to the economic impact of considering leaving the EU, and it annoys me Farage and the UKIPs focus everything on it and not the real impact of leaving the EU. An Austrailia style approach would have very little difference other than to add extra bureaucracy, because it has been proven again and again that we need immigration to grow.  

If we want to make importing goods from EU countries attractive we don't need to be in the EU. We just need to not put tariffs on imported goods from EU countries. Even if the EU makes exporting to us that unattractive that no one in europe will trade with us, other countries outside the EU will trade with us. We still have things to offer apart from EU membership.

I like the free trade and free movement parts of the EU, both provide a benefit to all involved, but that benefit isn't worth having to have the monolithic bureaucracy ruling over us that comes with being in the EU. Scandinavian countries are doing fine without being in the EU by having free trade not just with a select few countries but with whoever offers a good deal. 

[katieakita]

Norway and Switzerland seem to do ok for themselves outside the EU.

[Captain...]

If we want to make importing goods from EU countries attractive we don't need to be in the EU. We just need to not put tariffs on imported goods from EU countries. Even if the EU makes exporting to us that unattractive that no one in europe will trade with us, other countries outside the EU will trade with us. We still have things to offer apart from EU membership.

I like the free trade and free movement parts of the EU, both provide a benefit to all involved, but that benefit isn't worth having to have the monolithic bureaucracy ruling over us that comes with being in the EU. Scandinavian countries are doing fine without being in the EU by having free trade not just with a select few countries but with whoever offers a good deal. 

 

That is all speculation on what could happen, we have no idea what trade deals we will end up with should we leave, and there is no reason to believe we will be able to negotiate better than as part of the EU. Scandinavian countries (edit: and Switzerland) are all net exporters, and so are in a much better position to negotiate deals, our economy is the second largest net importer after the states, we have fvck all to trade and rely on imports so we have very little bargaining power on trade negotiations.

[Captain...]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/18/canada-and-eu-trade-deal_n_4123000.html

 

An article from last year:

 

 

A free trade deal between Canada and the European Union will provide a £1.3 billion boost to the British economy, according to David Cameron.

The pact - the first between the EU and a G8 country - was signed off in principle by European Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper in Brussels.

 

 

The Commission is also negotiating with countries including Japan, Canada, and India in a bid to secure deals that the Prime Minister's Business Taskforce estimates could benefit the UK by £20 billion.

"It's great news that Prime Minister Harper and President Barroso have concluded this historic trade deal and I want to thank them for their commitment throughout these negotiations," Mr Cameron said.

"Earlier this week, the Business Taskforce called for more free trade deals. Today the EU has delivered its largest free trade agreement ever and proved that it can be an asset for British business.

"The deal will inject £1.3bn to the UK economy, boost exports by almost a third and create thousands of new jobs.

 

If Farage gets his way, what will it mean to those deals?

 

 

 

Mr Barroso hailed agreement on what he called a 'highly ambitious and far-reaching' deal after hard-fought negotiations dating back to 2009.

 

It took 4 years to negotiate this deal, these things don't happen over night.

[Strokes]

Of course people will still trade with us, the question is on what terms, outside the EU we would be able to negotiate these trade deals ourselves, but we wouldn't have the trading power of the EU behind us. Now if there is any evidence anywhere showing that the trade deals we have as part of the EU are worse than they were before the EU, and any evidence to suggest we could negotiate significantly better, and it would have to be more than marginally better because we would have to factor in a lot more time to negotiate and maintain trade deals not only with non eu countries, but also with the EU, we would also need to put a lot more checks on borders and customs, checking duty is paid on all goods coming in from the EU.

We also have to consider we are a net importer from the EU so any trade deals we make on equal terms will negatively affect us, as we buy more in than we sell, unless we can agree to maintain our trade agreement with the EU.

The immigration issue is really a minor one compared to the economic impact of considering leaving the EU, and it annoys me Farage and the UKIPs focus everything on it and not the real impact of leaving the EU. An Austrailia style approach would have very little difference other than to add extra bureaucracy, because it has been proven again and again that we need immigration to grow.

Is buying in cheap goods, really good for us as a country? It would be a good chance for entrepreneurs and small businesses to fill the gap, without the established EU competition (maybe creating more jobs ). Ukip aren't saying we don't need immigration, and neither are their supporters. WE JUST WANT CONTROL

[Strokes]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/18/canada-and-eu-trade-deal_n_4123000.html

An article from last year:

If Farage gets his way, what will it mean to those deals?

It took 4 years to negotiate this deal, these things don't happen over night.

So you believe government figures when suits then?

Things won't happen overnight but there is no evidence to suggest, we couldn't get a similar or better deal off our own back. The EU membership costs us a small fortune, tell me where we get value for that?