Todays strikes.

[Yojoe36]

WTF!!?

Clarkson made a joke, and everyone cries. FVCK OFF YOU PUFFS!!!

[AoWW]

Bloody Nimbys.... "We accept cuts must be made".... "Hang on don't ****ing cut anything of mine, tax the rich, tax everyone else more, but you aren't having my out of touch pension scheme"

I can say this safely anyway as all the teachers are too busy working hard and marking books to come on here today.

I was nice to you t'other week, too! Don't bloody well think it'll happen again.

[Houdini Logic]

WTF!!?

Clarkson made a joke, and everyone cries. FVCK OFF YOU PUFFS!!!

Cheetos?

[Finnegan]

So you're saying that Teachers, police, firemen, prison officers, local govt officers, nurses, doctors, NHS admin staff all have crap pensions, worse than the majority of the private sector? Are you saying that they are not guaranteed (like in the private sector) and not index linked?

If you've got a good pension then well done, but you're not typical.

But the problem is that the statistics are warped by the fact that vast numbers in the private sector don't have pension plans at all.

Which brings me back to my previous point, the problem is that we've been successfully pitted against each other by a minority who cash in increasingly larger sums per year from six figures and upwards. Instead of uniting, saying, "hey, there's a huge disparity here - YOU need to be earning less and collectively WE need to be better rewarded for our labour" we have an entire faction of the common workforce buying into a propaganda fuelled myth that the other half are the problem, that they earn too much.

How can you continuously accept a tiny percentage, who advocate their OWN already-large salaries and pensions increasing, telling you that it's your own, fellow, low-income-earners that are the problem?

There's complete and total madness in the whole situation.

Surely you don't have to be some sort of hardcore lefty to see this?

[Webbo]

But the problem is that the statistics are warped by the fact that vast numbers in the private sector don't have pension plans at all.

Which brings me back to my previous point, the problem is that we've been successfully pitted against each other by a minority who cash in increasingly larger sums per year from six figures and upwards. Instead of uniting, saying, "hey, there's a huge disparity here - YOU need to be earning less and collectively WE need to be better rewarded for our labour" we have an entire faction of the common workforce buying into a propaganda fuelled myth that the other half are the problem, that they earn too much.

How can you continuously accept a tiny percentage, who advocate their OWN already-large salaries and pensions increasing, telling you that it's your own, fellow, low-income-earners that are the problem?

There's complete and total madness in the whole situation.

Surely you don't have to be some sort of hardcore lefty to see this?

The country is skint, surely you don't have to be a hardcore righty to see this?

[Guest MattP]

Absolutely.

If the state hadn't had to spend hundreds of billions propping up these supposedly "mega-efficient" private institutions, the question of pension cuts would not have arisen.

Nothing to do with throwing another million people into the public sector, getting as many people dependant on the state as possible and ending up so broke you have to raid the nations gold reserves and sell them off at car boot prices then?

Here's one reason ...

Directors' pay rises 50 per cent in a year

As usual, one law for the rich and another for everyone else. We can't go on like this.

And what percentage of the private sector is that?

[Houdini Logic]

The country is skint, surely you don't have to be a hardcore righty to see this?

But you have to be a hardcore righty to accept that the only way to solve this is with cuts that will inevitably affect the less well off.

Do you think the Chief Execs on six figure salaries will be the ones affected by these changes?

[Babylon]

I was nice to you t'other week, too! Don't bloody well think it'll happen again.

Hee hee

[Bob Weasel Fox]

I'm on strike. I can only assume people who disagree with them aren't fully aware of just how much Government proposals are gonna affect peoples lives for decades to come. Why it's the public sector getting so savagely mauled is still a mystery to me.

i fully support you for what its worth

[Babylon]

I was nice to you t'other week, too! Don't bloody well think it'll happen again.

Hee hee

[Webbo]

But you have to be a hardcore righty to accept that the only way to solve this is with cuts that will inevitably affect the less well off.

Do you think the Chief Execs on six figure salaries will be the ones affected by these changes?

Don't we have a 50% tax rate for high earners?

[Finnegan]

Don't we have a 50% tax rate for high earners?

That justifies them having such obscene wages in the first place does it?

[Webbo]

That justifies them having such obscene wages in the first place does it?

If the money's not coming out of my pocket, I don't care what anyone earns.

[Magictv]

That justifies them having such obscene wages in the first place does it?

You might think they are justified because the person/or people whose money it is they are paid with feels it appropriate to give it to them.

[Guest MattP]

That justifies them having such obscene wages in the first place does it?

In most cases yes I'd imagine, that's the reason the shareholders of the company have them there.

[Finnegan]

In most cases yes I'd imagine, that's the reason the shareholders of the company have them there.

Right, okay, so they're worth the money they receive because... they're receiving it? That's the argument? Businessman X deserves Y salary because... why else would he have it?

Fantastic. In that case, every public sector employee striking yesterday is worth having their pension as it is because... they're on it?

[Guest MattP]

Right, okay, so they're worth the money they receive because... they're receiving it? That's the argument? Businessman X deserves Y salary because... why else would he have it?

Fantastic. In that case, every public sector employee striking yesterday is worth having their pension as it is because... they're on it?

Well no, I'll give you an example, I have shares in Sainsburys, we appointed Justin King as CEO, he is paid 900,000 a year, on what he achieves we can either watch him continue in the role or if enough are unhappy we can declare a vote of no-confidence and remove him, he does a tremendous job and has increased outlet profit share by 40% in the last ten years, if anything I think he should be paid more for the results he delivers.

Very different from a bunch of bearded spectacled rucksack carrying leeches who have to get a job with a Labour government holding their hand as their own personality and CV wouldn't hold up in a tougher environment.

It's about time they grew up to be honest, I learnt at the age of 18 if you want something nice you have to pay for it yourself.

[AoWW]

Well no, I'll give you an example, I have shares in Sainsburys, we appointed Justin King as CEO, he is paid 900,000 a year, on what he achieves we can either watch him continue in the role or if enough are unhappy we can declare a vote of no-confidence and remove him, he does a tremendous job and has increased outlet profit share by 40% in the last ten years, if anything I think he should be paid more for the results he delivers.

Very different from a bunch of bearded spectacled rucksack carrying leeches who have to get a job with a Labour government holding their hand as their own personality and CV wouldn't hold up in a tougher environment.

It's about time they grew up to be honest, I learnt at the age of 18 if you want something nice you have to pay for it yourself.

Not stereotyping, then. Dear me.

[21st Century Fox]

If the money's not coming out of my pocket, I don't care what anyone earns.

Like train executives who hike the price of tickets to cover the cost of having to pay out massive compensation for accidents that were due to negligence and cost cutting rather than the money coming out of their bonuses and pockets.

Or retailers like Sir Phillip Green who make billions in our country but use tax loopholes and off shore banking to circumvent paying tax on those profits, even though he benefits from the health care and education afforded to his workers from the public coffers.

Or Barclays bank who manage to get away with paying £113m corporation tax on £11.6bn record profits.

If the government want to find money to bolster the pot there are alot of different avenues but they aren't willing to go down.

How many high earners actually pay the 50% tax....

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/politics/article-23821687-most-high-earners-can-use-easy-options-to-avoid-50-percent-tax-rate.do

[Houdini Logic]

Don't we have a 50% tax rate for high earners?

And at what point did I say we should raise income tax?

Why don't you try answering my questions, rather than coming back with ones of your own

The simple fact is that these changes are going to be most damaging to people with less money, despite everything else that they'll mess up!

[Guest MattP]

Not stereotyping, then. Dear me.

I couldn't give a shit about stereotypIng, I call things as I see them.

[Houdini Logic]

I learnt at the age of 18 if you want something nice you have to pay for it yourself.

Did they also tell you at 18 that what you pay for may not be what you get?

[Finnegan]

I couldn't give a shit about stereotypIng, I call things as I see them.

You really don't see much.

My boss doesn't have a beard OR glasses.

[Guest MattP]

Did they also tell you at 18 that what you pay for may not be what you get?

I got told "if it sounds too good to be true it probably is".

[Webbo]

Like train executives who hike the price of tickets to cover the cost of having to pay out massive compensation for accidents that were due to negligence and cost cutting rather than the money coming out of their bonuses and pockets.

Or retailers like Sir Phillip Green who make billions in our country but use tax loopholes and off shore banking to circumvent paying tax on those profits, even though he benefits from the health care and education afforded to his workers from the public coffers.

Or Barclays bank who manage to get away with paying £113m corporation tax on £11.6bn record profits.

If the government want to find money to bolster the pot there are alot of different avenues but they aren't willing to go down.

How many high earners actually pay the 50% tax....

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/politics/article-23821687-most-high-earners-can-use-easy-options-to-avoid-50-percent-tax-rate.do

I think you may have quoted the wrong post

And at what point did I say we should raise income tax?

Why don't you try answering my questions, rather than coming back with ones of your own

The simple fact is that these changes are going to be most damaging to people with less money, despite everything else that they'll mess up!

I'm sorry I can't remember your original question.

My point was that ,contrary to popular opinion, high earner are making a contribution.The top 1% who are so often vilified pay more than 20% of all personal income tax.

EDIT; I've just read your question. The govt can't reduce a chief execs pension if the govt doesn't pay that pension in the first place.