HoustonFox Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 I still think he is a decent player (no Kermorgant punning intended) and we really don't play to his strengths. It really is a shame and I will continue to back him to do well. I'm not sure why people discount his goals in the FA Cup, they still count you know. I expect in the Summer NP will sell him, or at least try but I'm not sure if it will happen. With our playin style, someone like Glen Murray or Henderson would really suit us and be a big asset to the team. A really good right winger and possibly another right back who is more consistent (or my real hope is that Peltier become that) and we have a good team. I can see Drinkwater and Danns in th middle and I like Dyer, he adds pace, which we really lack and you need more than anything else (see Reading this yr and Swansea last).
volpeazzurro Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 I still think he is a decent player (no Kermorgant punning intended) and we really don't play to his strengths. It really is a shame and I will continue to back him to do well. I'm not sure why people discount his goals in the FA Cup, they still count you know. I expect in the Summer NP will sell him, or at least try but I'm not sure if it will happen. With our playin style, someone like Glen Murray or Henderson would really suit us and be a big asset to the team. A really good right winger and possibly another right back who is more consistent (or my real hope is that Peltier become that) and we have a good team. I can see Drinkwater and Danns in th middle and I like Dyer, he adds pace, which we really lack and you need more than anything else (see Reading this yr and Swansea last). '' A problem is knowing what his strengths are to play to them. He's not a 'fox in the box', he's not a 'target man' as he rarely heads a ball and his control isn't very good for the most part. He may be able to run the channels a bit but Nugent does that already. He flatters to deceive by occasionally showing the very odd bit of brilliance. A decent striker if he's getting nowhere, tries to change his game during a match or work a bit harder. The other glaring problem of course is who would want to pay money for him and if they did, who would want to pay him £30,000 a week? Even if he was on a free, who would want a striker who can't score goals in the Championship (certainly not good enough in the Premiership or Everton would have been playing him when they were clearly short of strikers at the time).
teblin Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 Beckford isn't crap. He had a lot of ability. He attitude is questionable and seems to have a very fragile ego. When he scored goals for Leeds he had a big man along side him.
Burmesefox Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 Kermit wasnt crap - he fluffed a pen then wa made a scapegoat of legendary status. Waghorn is crap though and so is Howard. beckford is a bit of an enigma but does not deserve the shit he is getting - half of you lot are just follow the crowd sheep wankers. .
lcfc matt Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 Kermit wasnt crap - he fluffed a pen then wa made a scapegoat of legendary status. Waghorn is crap though and so is Howard. beckford is a bit of an enigma but does not deserve the shit he is getting - half of you lot are just follow the crowd sheep wankers. .
jonlcfc1990 Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 Beckfords goals have given us the opportunity to face Chelsea in the FA Cup quarter finals also his link up play with Nugent had been superb of late and if our defence wasn't shipping 6 goals in 2 games (9 in the last 4 away games) then we would be higher up the league with their striking partnership
Babylon Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 I don't give a flying f**k ,we aint playing to his strengths and you know what we never will when we have the likes of Wellens giving him scraps or any other player, yes his goal return is poor, but you know we wouldn't be having our day out to Chelsea if it weren't for his goals in the Cup, I bet you are immune to giving the love of your life Stevie Howard any criticism, he is a useless bag of shit. If he didn't have the control of a 5 year old be might be able to use what he's given rather than waiting for something to land on the plate for him.
lcfc matt Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 Agreed he's bein used as a scapegoat so he's goin through a bad patch but you lot on his back isn't helping him at all. In my eyes you should never turn on any player that wears our shirt it's discusting and I genuinely feel sorry for the guy.i watch him training some mornings out my window and he always puts the effort in he just seem to lose confidence soon as people keep booing him I hope he doesn't go cuz I think if we get behind him he will be fine ffs get off this poor guys back
Reynard Bleu Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 Beckford is not the reason we are not winning, its more to do with all of the team being unable to maintain a reasonable standard of performance. Too may sloppy mistakes, poor marking, caught out of position too often and piss poor passing. There is no spine to the team, and it does not operate as a unit. Beckford is just one of the many.
Happy Fox Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 http://www.grandoldteam.com/news/fans-view/2011/aug/21/the-beckford-question Fans View The Beckford Question Written by Tubey on Sun 21st August 11, 15:57 It was a devastating result yesterday, and rightly or wrongly a lot of players are getting a large amount of stick from fans. One of those players is Jermaine Beckford. Beckford started yesterday as the lone striker with Tim Cahill technically playing off him as an attacking midfielder. Throughout the first half, he moved into offside positions and continuously played balls off into space where no other players where. As such, he generated a lot of criticism from the fans inside Goodison Park. However, a closer look at how he was utilised and how he played indicates that a lot of this flak being thrown his way isn´t all his fault. Whilst at Leeds United, Beckford played alongside Luciano Becchio, a 6ft1 target man. Becchio was often the focal point for passing from the midfield whilst Beckford ran into the channels and the space created by Becchio´s presence. It was no secret that Beckford was not a target man. He was not a player who drew others into play or indeed a player who contributed much to the defensive side of the game. He was, however, a natural goalscorer, and found plenty of success at Elland Road. Yesterday he was asked to do a job he simply could not do. He was asked to do a Becchio and Beckford combined - hold up the ball for others as well as attack in behind the defence. Beckford was the only offensive player who made runs off the ball yesterday. At one point in the first half, he made a diagonal run inside the opposition left-back and centre-half but the ball was not sent his way by Phil Neville, leaving Beckford infuriated. At another point, Beckford receives a route one ball from Phil Jagielka and chested it down into space - but nobody was there, because Tim Cahill was 10 yards behind the play. In short, Beckford was asked to do two jobs and did neither very well. Jermaine scored 10 goals in his debut season at Everton, mostly when asked to play on his own or as a substitute off the bench. That is not a bad return. When looking at Cahill, Saha and Fellaini - all of which used in an advance role yesterday - they did not compare with Beckford in terms of his movement. Beckford alongside Cahill does not work. Beckford on his own up front does not work. Therefore, David Moyes needs to utilise a goalscorer correctly, something he has continuously failed to do during his time at Goodison Park. If that means leaving out Tim Cahill to play two pure strikers up front, so be it, because Evertons problems don´t lie in our tendency to ship goals (we very rarely receive a beating), it´s our tendency to not score goals. We do not have a complete forward at the club, so lets make use of what we have, have some faith in our ability to keep things tight at the back whilst having a go at the opposition. With the absence of wingers, 4-5-1 simply doesn´t work. So I implore David Moyes; against Sheffield United and Blackburn, regardless of how thin our squad is, go for 4-4-2. Use Anichebe or Vellios if need be, but take a risk and play a side that´s designed to go out and get goals.
J.Lisemore Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 Said from the start that hes not our type of player, barely anything he has done has changed my opinion.
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 I don't give a flying f**k ,we aint playing to his strengths and you know what we never will when we have the likes of Wellens giving him scraps or any other player, yes his goal return is poor, but you know we wouldn't be having our day out to Chelsea if it weren't for his goals in the Cup, I bet you are immune to giving the love of your life Stevie Howard any criticism, he is a useless bag of shit. The usual tunnelled vision comments ........except you missed "getting rid of the deadwood " out !! Beckford's "performance". on Saturday was embarassingly inept in all respects and simply unacceptable. To blame the other players for his shortcomings proves how disillusioned you are !
yorkie1999 Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 Said from the start that hes not our type of player, barely anything he has done has changed my opinion. Apart from the hat trick against forest in the cup
Happy Fox Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 We need Becchio, for Beckford to play alongside. , no but it does highlight the need for a target man to help with Beckford's game their is no denying the partnership with Becchio and Beckford yielded loads of goals. As that article said,It was no secret that Beckford was not a target man. He was not a player who drew others into play or indeed a player who contributed much to the defensive side of the game. So clearly lumping the ball up to him will do no good.
Guest Col city fan Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 Agreed he's bein used as a scapegoat so he's goin through a bad patch but you lot on his back isn't helping him at all. In my eyes you should never turn on any player that wears our shirt it's discusting and I genuinely feel sorry for the guy.i watch him training some mornings out my window and he always puts the effort in he just seem to lose confidence soon as people keep booing him I hope he doesn't go cuz I think if we get behind him he will be fine ffs get off this poor guys back Beckford is 'going through a bad patch' is he? He's scored four League goals all season and literally has the worst first touch of possibly any striker I've seen play in a City shirt. When is his 'good patch' going to start? During the summer perhaps? I have no axe to grind on any City player but am first and foremost a City fan... I concede that he was exceptional in the FA CUP game against Forest. But this season we have cried out for two CONSISTENTLY good strikers to score enough goals to mount a challenge and, as importantly, to be able to keep the ball when the team is under pressure. Beckford has done neither and has been an expensive flop. He may 'come good'.... But who gives a shite! What about THIS season. Same as Steve Howard, Beckford was bought to score goals. The difference between him and the big man is that Steve has, at least, been able to keep the ball and to take some pressure off. He also developed a strong partnership with Matty. Beckford, overall has been fookin pants! And it amazes me that people are STILL droning on about 'giving him time to turn it around'. Ridiculous... Finally... Nugent has scored what? 13 goals this season.... and has had the same 'lack of supply' as Jermaine... Why? He's simply a better all-round striker..
Happy Fox Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 Beckford is 'going through a bad patch' is he? He's scored four goals all season and literally has the worst first touch of possibly any striker I've seen play in a City shirt. When is his 'good patch' going to start? During the summer perhaps? I have no axe to grind on any City player but am first and foremost a City fan... I concede that he was exceptional in the FA CUP game against Forest. But this season we have cried out for two CONSISTENTLY good strikers to score enough goals to mount a challenge and, as importantly, to be able to keep the ball when the team is under pressure. Beckford has done neither and has been an expensive flop. He may 'come good'.... But who gives a shite! What about THIS season. Same as Steve Howard, Beckford was bought to score goals. The difference between him and the big man is that Steve has, at least, been able to keep the ball and to take some pressure off. He also developed a strong partnership with Matty. Beckford, overall has been fookin pants! And it amazes me that people are STILL droning on about 'giving him time to turn it around'. Ridiculous... You should read this article, and maybe then you will appreciate we are not utilizing his strengths. http://www.grandoldteam.com/news/fans-view/2011/aug/21/the-beckford-question
J.Lisemore Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 Apart from the hat trick against forest in the cup Yep, all seemed a bit of a one off.
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 Beckford is 'going through a bad patch' is he? He's scored four goals all season and literally has the worst first touch of possibly any striker I've seen play in a City shirt. When is his 'good patch' going to start? During the summer perhaps? I have no axe to grind on any City player but am first and foremost a City fan... I concede that he was exceptional in the FA CUP game against Forest. But this season we have cried out for two CONSISTENTLY good strikers to score enough goals to mount a challenge and, as importantly, to be able to keep the ball when the team is under pressure. Beckford has done neither and has been an expensive flop. He may 'come good'.... But who gives a shite! What about THIS season. Same as Steve Howard, Beckford was bought to score goals. The difference between him and the big man is that Steve has, at least, been able to keep the ball and to take some pressure off. He also developed a strong partnership with Matty. Beckford, overall has been fookin pants! And it amazes me that people are STILL droning on about 'giving him time to turn it around'. Ridiculous... ........and woe betide certain other players if they make one bad pass !!!!!!! Jesus .......they'll get a thread on here of nearly 50 pages slagging them off !!!
Guest Col city fan Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 You should read this article, and maybe then you will appreciate we are not utilizing his strengths. http://www.grandoldteam.com/news/fans-view/2011/aug/21/the-beckford-question I have... And will say yet again... If we are relying on a striker who will only score goals playing in one way it's a sorry fookin state of affairs. A good striker can adapt.. Do you think that opposition defences won't tailor their game to counter the Uni-dimensional threat of one striker? Ridiculous argument. Look up
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 You should read this article, and maybe then you will appreciate we are not utilizing his strengths. http://www.grandoldt...ckford-question Give me strength !!!
Guest Col city fan Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 Give me strength !!! I feel exactly the same thing mate every time I read one of Happy's posts recently.
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 I feel exactly the same thing mate every time I read one of Happy's posts recently. He's got ILICC syndrome unfortunately !!!
Happy Fox Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 I have... And will say yet again... If we are relying on a striker who will only score goals playing in one way it's a sorry fookin state of affairs. A good striker can adapt.. Do you think that opposition defences won't tailor their game to counter the Uni-dimensional threat of one striker? Ridiculous argument. Look up Well you say you want a target man and I feel the addition of a good quality one will help both Beckford's and Nugen't game.
Guest Col city fan Posted 12 March 2012 Posted 12 March 2012 Well you say you want a target man and I feel the addition of a good quality one will help both Beckford's and Nugen't game. Who has said they want a target man? And what is a target man? If you're simply referring to a big lad, I wouldn't want a Zigic or Futacs in the team. I simply want ( and is this really too much to ask?) a player who can control the ball and lay it off to one of our own when we need them to do this. THUS TAKING SOME PRESSURE OFF OUR DEFENCE WHEN WE NEED TO! For 30k a week I don't think this is a big ask!! lol Finally, someone yesterday mentioned Beckford will probably have a stormer against Chelski. This wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.. If Pearson plays him of course....
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