Pearson and Momentum

[Babylon]

Babble on! Please show us all, how you know 99.9% of people wish him to be given a longer time to prove himself?

We all know you don't like those of us who believe that Pearson is not the right man to take our club forward, but please don't conjure up ridiculous figures like this. You only make yourself look a "Silly Billy"! We don't want that now do we? :unsure:

Well a Poll showed 92.79% of people wanted him to stay.

And of that 92.79% I've seen it said about 5 times on this board that "he'll get us promoted" compared to 1000+ posts saying "He needs to be given more time".

So it's quite obviously an estimate based on what I have seen on these boards. If you can provide lots of posts that are to the contrary they I'll revise it.

[Babylon]

Why don't you just read what I wrote?

He did, he didn't like it because he was wrong and then proceeded to twist things... again.

[Guest Col city fan]

This has become quite an unbelievable thread.

It's like a tennis match... Back and forth and back and forth.

Whatever gets written and however cogent the arguments are, no one seems to listen or to get it.

It's like PMs Question Time!!

lol

[Corky]

I see your point, but what would have happened had Sousa stayed. Also it,was not what I would describe as a good side, only fair. We don't know what other managers may have done, but only that Sven did do it.

However Sven has gone, and that is history. It is all about now, and how the Thais interpret the season when it ends. They brought in Pearson to get us promoted this season, not maybe next.

It is going to be interesting, if nothing else, when the season closes.

He wasn't going to stay, it wasn't just about results.

[Scow]

You make an interesting point and quite a complicated thread to discuss I'd say. Not read any other posts on this thread after the OP's one so this might be guilty of repetition!

Re the momentum argument, the difference for us is that Bristol City didn't throw money at the team the following season (or two) after their play off final failure against Hull in 2008, primarily as they didn't have such financial backing and they then appointed a lesser manager after Gary Johnson left (Keith Millen) to bring them seasons of mediocrity to follow....even if they always seem to beat us in the mian! I also think that Bristol team was one of those who suffered the losing play off finalist syndrome and never quite recovered from doing so - a bit like Cardiff have done since Blackpool beat them two seasons ago, even though they've always remained a top six side.

I get what you're saying though and it will be one of those things that only time will tell on re the notion of Pearson being a momentum specialist-only manager perhaps! Then again he was in the process of building up Hull as a new challenge after his successful first spell with us so I think he's more than a one trick pony in management. Norwich last season demonstrated the traits of momentum success with two consecutive promotions and who knows if Pearson could've emultaed what Paul Lambert has done with Norwich in a momentum sense had we not blown it in the play offs two years ago and been in the Prem. by now, since 2010. The Mandyrich v Thais takeover situation wasn't a theme back then either so that is another missing part to the "what ifs" here! Southampton might well do the momentum act this season too if they can keep clear of a resurgent West Ham now. If they fail to go up though and end up bowing out in the play offs instead (and then do a Bristol City for the next season or two afterwards - especially if they sell their better players in time - Lambert, Lallana, etc), then some would argue that Nigel Adkins is only a momentum manager too. Complicated stuff I know!

Indeed I think we'd fare better in the Prem. than we would in the Championship next season with our present set up - as look how we've fared against the better teams in the Championship this season and also done well against the likes of Norwich in the FA Cup. Maybe if we pull off the impossible and do reach the promised land then we'd do better next season than staying put! We have been deeply guilty of maybe under-estimating the lesser opposition in the Championship this time round (unlike last season), a trait that is probably borne of having too many prima dona players at our disposal now on fat(ter) wages since the Thais took over.

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Likewise, I think you make some interesting points. I was hoping for this sort of discussion when I started the thread, but I suppose it was inevitable that it was going to descend into a Pearson in/out debate. It's amazing to think how well we did with players such as Weale, Morrison, Brown, Hobbs, McGivern, Neilson, Oakley, N'Guessan, Kermorgant and Fryatt.

I'm not so sure about the Premier League argument. Ultimately, we don't have the quality. It's all well and good competing against the 'better teams' in isolation, but it is difficult to maintain this mind-set and performance over a 38 game season. If you were a Wolves, Bolton or Blackburn, how many of our players would get into their sides? I'm struggling beyond Schmeichel and Konch.

[seenitall]

I'm loving it sadly - I wish we had won yesterday, I must have refreshed the web pages on here and BBC 300 times but it just seemed like the Peterboro game - weak team selection = lack of ideas = another failure. - it's not his fault is it that he can't achieve anything, and let's face it, Sven had etc etc etc but the fact remains NIGE HAS FAILED SO FAR - maybe he is gonna blow us away next year but I personally don't think so - I think everyone felt that Sven with some key signings would have a go after last summer and by getting close with a scratch team and no reliable keeper he kept everyone believing.

I have tried to believe in Nige but essentially, I don't think he is up to the job - he should never have come back, as obviously Sven shouldn't but Nige was about 5th choice after Sven went and smacked of desperation and fan appeasement (as was Sven's sacking) rather than any coherent attempt to build a football team - it didn't pay off, it won't pay off and I would like to see a decent manager in before the few quality players we have (Kasper, Danns, Nugent, Konch (usually) all unanimously and SSL/Beckford/Mills more controversially) sling their hooks for our rivals.

[Mark_w]

I'm loving it sadly - I wish we had won yesterday, I must have refreshed the web pages on here and BBC 300 times

You didn't even listen to it?

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

I'm loving it sadly - I wish we had won yesterday, I must have refreshed the web pages on here and BBC 300 times but it just seemed like the Peterboro game - weak team selection = lack of ideas = another failure. - it's not his fault is it that he can't achieve anything, and let's face it, Sven had etc etc etc but the fact remains NIGE HAS FAILED SO FAR - maybe he is gonna blow us away next year but I personally don't think so - I think everyone felt that Sven with some key signings would have a go after last summer and by getting close with a scratch team and no reliable keeper he kept everyone believing.

I have tried to believe in Nige but essentially, I don't think he is up to the job - he should never have come back, as obviously Sven shouldn't but Nige was about 5th choice after Sven went and smacked of desperation and fan appeasement (as was Sven's sacking) rather than any coherent attempt to build a football team - it didn't pay off, it won't pay off and I would like to see a decent manager in before the few quality players we have (Kasper, Danns, Nugent, Konch (usually) all unanimously and SSL/Beckford/Mills more controversially) sling their hooks for our rivals.

"Never go back" is an old saying, but it certainly applies to Pearson, who cannot kick start the team at all. It's just fire, start, splutter, stop, over and over again.

[sbfox]

"Never go back" is an old saying, but it certainly applies to Pearson, who cannot kick start the team at all. It's just fire, start, splutter, stop, over and over again.

Jesus christ, your life must be fvcking dull.

Can anyone be bothered to do a 'posts after a loss, vs posts after a win' for dangerous tiger please? Must be a forest fan on the wind up.

[Happy Fox]

Jesus christ, your life must be fvcking dull.

Can anyone be bothered to do a 'posts after a loss, vs posts after a win' for dangerous tiger please? Must be a forest fan on the wind up.

If he was a Forest fan he would stuck up a sheepshaggers ass. But he is a Dangerous Tiger so could be a Dull fan or an egg chaser.

[Mark_w]

Or maybe he's just a mardy old git?

[seenitall]

or a bit disappointed by the failure of yet another season...........aren't we all

[Happy Fox]

or a bit disappointed by the failure of yet another season...........aren't we all

I think this video sums up my feelings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfzXB1WlEEU

[Babylon]

Arrrrrrgh bliss....

[seenitall]

Thank god we've got rid of that Nige bumming, Top and papa loving, Wellens and Gally lover...........................

[Babylon]

This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by seenitall. View it anyway?

What's the Sven loving, fact ignoring, post twisting, non consistent, only appears after a loss, miserable sod saying now. Actually nobody tell me, it'll only be the usual stuff.

Good news is, I'm a mod and he can't ignore my posts blah ha ha ha ha.

[Mark_w]

Arrrrrrgh bliss....

[Babylon]

As a rational poster I can only suggest you do the same Mark_w, it will improve your user experience... I guarantee it.

[Corky]

Thank god we've got rid of that Nige bumming, Top and papa loving, Wellens and Gally lover...........................

That doesn't rhyme.

What a shit rap.

[Happy Fox]

Such a shame Babs I thought you liked a good discussion, I wasn't going overboard was I? and if so I regret that and accept the error in ways. If I don't feel that NP isn't the man for the job how best can I show that keeping quite and not venting my frustrations? Babs it has been a pleasure to have seen your elegant posts. You are the most knowledgeable and insightful poster in the history of Foxestalk

Yours Sincerely,

Happy Fox

[seenitall]

Babylon is hilarious, who would want to ignore his total blinkered view of the board and management?

[Guy]

Likewise, I think you make some interesting points. I was hoping for this sort of discussion when I started the thread, but I suppose it was inevitable that it was going to descend into a Pearson in/out debate. It's amazing to think how well we did with players such as Weale, Morrison, Brown, Hobbs, McGivern, Neilson, Oakley, N'Guessan, Kermorgant and Fryatt.

I'm not so sure about the Premier League argument. Ultimately, we don't have the quality. It's all well and good competing against the 'better teams' in isolation, but it is difficult to maintain this mind-set and performance over a 38 game season. If you were a Wolves, Bolton or Blackburn, how many of our players would get into their sides? I'm struggling beyond Schmeichel and Konch.

Thanks, you do tend to get very easily bypassed on this forum I find by the people who probably know each other personally on here beyond just their username credentials and who see one another at games, to hazard an educated guess! This thread has gone off at a pretty common tangent and I'm sorry I was one of the only few who tried to keep on topic from your original post!

The momentum arguement/discussion remains pretty much the same, time will tell on Pearson as regards just being a momentum manager or a manager with a few strings to his bow already.....that's unless the Thais get itchy feet come May time, largely depending on how this season ends up, which is still in the balance, despite all the negatives posted on here saying otherwise. The Premier league argument comes to fruition for me because of the way we've performed against the better sides in our league this season (Reading aside really who are a bogey team quite simply) and we probably played better against the likes of Norwich and Chelsea than many in our league would've done. Rather than finding us out I think our squad would do well in the Premier League with the players we have - and of course we ran Man. City close in the FA Cup last season too but for a certain Carlos Tevez in the replay - that with with a side not too disimilar to what we have now!

[coolhandfox]

When we finished 5th in 2009/10 under Pearson, how much was that down to a winning momentum from the League One campaign? I think back to Bristol City's first season in the Championship when they finished in the play-offs under Gary Johnson. Subsequent years saw them struggle in the lower part of the table and Johnson was eventually given the boot. Look where he is now. We've seen with the likes of Norwich and Southampton how a successful season in League One has regalvanised them.

I'm not saying that Pearson is similar to Gary Johnson, but I often wonder if Pearson's success was largely down to momentum or his managerial ability. It's probably somewhere in between the two.

I think momentum helps, but also the fact that Lambert (Norwich) & Atkins (Southampton) like Pearson first time round, both had time to build the correct mentally, playing style, team ethic and squads in a period of 12-18 months.

Change things around mid-season is difficult, ask Sven (Last Year), Mark Hughes (QPR), Neil Warnock (Leeds) et al.

Give Pearson the summer and we will be in good shape this time next year. I’m not NP's biggest fan but stability is an important part of success in football.

[Number 6]

Admittedly I have moaned a lot about Wellens this season, but he's been much better since Nige returned. Think we'd have been far worse off without him in the middle.

Guess that awful job he did at Hull is why so many Hull fans were so delighted he left? And why they've soared up the league since he departed? Oh....wait.