ealingfox Posted 6 October 2012 Posted 6 October 2012 Sol was a fantastic player for us. Strange that over half of the fans of this forum never saw that. Glad he's doinf well in Turkey. Simply the best all round center back we've had in years. Morgan is excellent but he doesn't have the mobility, skill or attacking capability of Sol. It was a bad sale on behalf of NP but every manager makes a few mistakes. Morgan has both the mobility and the skill of Bamba.
Guest Posted 6 October 2012 Posted 6 October 2012 Yeah, he was a quality defender, an quality defenders can't form partnerships with anyone they play with, leave huge gaps in the defence, get torn a new arsehole by Daniel Sturridge, and are constantly out of position. Yeah quality.. Hence why we have the 2nd best defence in the league. You have your opinion. I have mine Sol is the player of the month for a top European team.
Guest Posted 6 October 2012 Posted 6 October 2012 Morgan has both the mobility and the skill of Bamba. No he doesn't. He's a very good defender but he is slower and less mobile than Sol and he doesn't have the ball skills of Bamba. That's not a knock on Morgan. Wes is more solid in his defensive job and has better captaining skills. Wes is clearly one of the best in the league.
ealingfox Posted 6 October 2012 Posted 6 October 2012 No he doesn't. He's a very good defender but he is slower and less mobile than Sol and he doesn't have the ball skills of Bamba. That's not a knock on Morgan. Wes is more solid in his defensive job and has better captaining skills. Wes is clearly one of the best in the league. I don't know where you've got this idea that Bamba was some kind of F1 car. His height and the length of his limbs gave him no agility, it took him about a week to turn around, and his acceleration was very low. He had marginally more pace than an average CB, but the former factors meant he was no more mobile. And I take it you didn't see Wes' stepovers the other week?
Bamba Posted 9 October 2012 Posted 9 October 2012 Thanks for your informative posts and comments. I didn't realise you could play 2 goalkeepers at a time in the Turkish league, conceding only 3 goals seems less impressive now Yeah, actually we can play 22 players at a time in the Neptune Super League.
Mark_w Posted 9 October 2012 Posted 9 October 2012 Strange that over half of the fans of this forum never saw that. Oh no we did see that. I remember some absolutely superb performances from Bamba, no doubt he had a lot of quality. But someone needed to tell him he's a defender. How on earth, when you're playing two central defenders, is a defender supposed to cope with his team mate running from one box to the other leaving the side with little defensive cover. Sol Bamba was an incredibly entertaining player, and without him some games were a bit boring, but without him we also stand a much better chance of building a solid defence that is going to do well in this division. Wayne Brown was hardly a gifted player, but we were a better side with the racist twat in defense, same goes for Morrison and Berner and Hobbs. For me if Pearson didn't rate Bamba, decided to get rid of him, then he was probably right about him, and I think our results this season would sort of back that up. Clearly Pearson is good at building solid defenses, so I'd trust his judgement on Mills, Bamba and Peltier.
Guest MattP Posted 9 October 2012 Posted 9 October 2012 Sol was a fantastic player for us. Strange that over half of the fans of this forum never saw that. Glad he's doinf well in Turkey. Simply the best all round center back we've had in years. Morgan is excellent but he doesn't have the mobility, skill or attacking capability of Sol. It was a bad sale on behalf of NP but every manager makes a few mistakes. Bad sale? We need a strong defence, that was never happening with this clown in it. Bamba might have more skill and mobility than Wes but Wes is ten times the defender he is He'll start well and then the mistakes will creep in again. How anyone can look at our defence from last year compared to this year and call this a mistake is absolutely fcuking ludicrous tbh.
Haydos Posted 9 October 2012 Posted 9 October 2012 Sol was a fantastic player for us. Strange that over half of the fans of this forum never saw that. Glad he's doinf well in Turkey. Simply the best all round center back we've had in years. Morgan is excellent but he doesn't have the mobility, skill or attacking capability of Sol. It was a bad sale on behalf of NP but every manager makes a few mistakes. You've got to be kidding. You can't honestly see this in him. While he is an extremely talented player he just isn't good enough for a team chasing success. Consistency. Positional sense. Awareness. Focus. Communication. Decision making. He lacked all of these on a regular basis. Whilst footballing ability and athleticism saved him a lot of the time the above is what ultimately made him a liability in the long term.
5waller5 Posted 9 October 2012 Posted 9 October 2012 Sol was a fantastic player for us. Strange that over half of the fans of this forum never saw that. Glad he's doinf well in Turkey. Simply the best all round center back we've had in years. Morgan is excellent but he doesn't have the mobility, skill or attacking capability of Sol. It was a bad sale on behalf of NP but every manager makes a few mistakes. I completely agree, he was a quality player and a bad sell ..... but you're not allowed to think that on here .... it's somehow a slant on NP and will be duly rounded upon. He just didn't have a partner in his time here .... would have loved to have seen him and Curtis playing regularly together.
dmayne7 Posted 9 October 2012 Posted 9 October 2012 Sol was a fantastic player for us. Strange that over half of the fans of this forum never saw that. Glad he's doinf well in Turkey. Simply the best all round center back we've had in years. Morgan is excellent but he doesn't have the mobility, skill or attacking capability of Sol. It was a bad sale on behalf of NP but every manager makes a few mistakes. In fairness, Sol was the kind of player who would have been class in the Premier League but he lacked the no-nonsense approach to be a success in the Championship. That was the problem with most of Sven's signings really
Haydos Posted 9 October 2012 Posted 9 October 2012 In fairness, Sol was the kind of player who would have been class in the Premier League but he lacked the no-nonsense approach to be a success in the Championship. That was the problem with most of Sven's signings really Really think he'd have got torn to shreds in the PL. The physical aspect he was fine with, any time he needed to use his brain was where he came up short. That game against Reading still makes me feel sick, it was like he'd never played football before.
Guest MattP Posted 9 October 2012 Posted 9 October 2012 In fairness, Sol was the kind of player who would have been class in the Premier League but he lacked the no-nonsense approach to be a success in the Championship. That was the problem with most of Sven's signings really You've got to be joking? He would have been absolutely massacre by top sides in that division. Most of the top strikers in this division had their way with him so god knows what RVP, Aguero etc would have done to him. There's a reason he spent years at Hibernian. The thought of Morgan having to cover two centre back positions while Sol prances round next the corner flag filled Mr Pearson with dread I'm sure.
Father Ted Posted 9 October 2012 Posted 9 October 2012 You've got to be joking? He would have been absolutely massacre by top sides in that division. Most of the top strikers in this division had their way with him so god knows what RVP, Aguero etc would have done to him. There's a reason he spent years at Hibernian. The thought of Morgan having to cover two centre back positions while Sol prances round next the corner flag filled Mr Pearson with dread I'm sure. I said it all the time whilst he was here and I was one of the first to start criticising Bamba. What did Darius Henderson, Shane Long, Grant Holt, Jay Bothroyd, Lukas Jutkiewicz, Marlon King and MARKO FUTACS?! all have in common? They dominated Bamba and they're all powerful strikers who can hold the ball up. Bamba's fine dealing with little nippy strikers because of his pace but then even that had it's downsides as he would often play forwards onside. He could never form a partnership with any centre back at the club. We were continually leaking 3 goals away from home whilst he was playing. Always out of position. Very weak in the air for such a big centre back and often clambered all over the forward - giving away free kicks. Good riddance, nice guy and character, unfortunately not good enough for us. Long live the Pearson revolution and keep on proving clowns like FIF wrong.
Bamba Posted 9 October 2012 Posted 9 October 2012 This is the teaser of an upcoming video from GanzilisTv ( a guy who makes the best Trabzonspor videos). It may give an idea of how Trabzonspor fans liked him so far.
Reynard Bleu Posted 10 October 2012 Posted 10 October 2012 For all of his significant skills and ability Bamba simply made too many mistakes, he became a liability trying to do everones job for them and not focusing on his own. Morgan may nor be blessed with all Sol has but he is riock solid, dependable and a leader.
MattyFromLE Posted 10 October 2012 Posted 10 October 2012 For all of his significant skills and ability Bamba simply made too many mistakes, he became a liability trying to do everones job for them and not focusing on his own. Morgan may nor be blessed with all Sol has but he is riock solid, dependable and a leader. Disagree with this. I agree that he was difficult to form a partnership with but - name me a game that we lost because of Sol Bamba. St Ledger was to blame for Bristol City at home, Matt Mills had a shocking game against Reading, amongst many others. But overviewing last season I personally can't remember one incident where I thought "Sol Bamba was to blame for that goal". 9 times out of 10, the mess he got himself in he would get himself out of with his elasticated legs. I agree with his departure, but I do miss his flamboyance.
Adster Posted 10 October 2012 Posted 10 October 2012 Disagree with this. I agree that he was difficult to form a partnership with but - name me a game that we lost because of Sol Bamba. St Ledger was to blame for Bristol City at home, Matt Mills had a shocking game against Reading, amongst many others. But overviewing last season I personally can't remember one incident where I thought "Sol Bamba was to blame for that goal". 9 times out of 10, the mess he got himself in he would get himself out of with his elasticated legs. I agree with his departure, but I do miss his flamboyance. Sol Bamba was clearly at fault for James Milners goal against us in the 2-2 draw. I know its James Milner. But you asked for an example so there it is. I cant think of any others though, however.
Guest MattP Posted 10 October 2012 Posted 10 October 2012 I remember quite a few goals where he wasn't even in the picture when it was scored. He's at least partly responsible for those, most of the goals he was at fault for didn't come through an individual error but his absolute woeful positional sense. The reason a lot of the time it looked like SSL, Mills etc looked at fault for the goal was because they covering two positions. There is a big reason why that's not happening this season and its not because SSL has got ten times better overnight.
Corky Posted 10 October 2012 Posted 10 October 2012 He was entertaining in a time when the style of football was quite functional and drab. Now we are playing with more fluency and have more entertaining players who are making more of an impact than Bamba did.
Haydos Posted 10 October 2012 Posted 10 October 2012 Disagree with this. I agree that he was difficult to form a partnership with but - name me a game that we lost because of Sol Bamba. St Ledger was to blame for Bristol City at home, Matt Mills had a shocking game against Reading, amongst many others. But overviewing last season I personally can't remember one incident where I thought "Sol Bamba was to blame for that goal". 9 times out of 10, the mess he got himself in he would get himself out of with his elasticated legs. I agree with his departure, but I do miss his flamboyance. Reading. I'm shit at remembering games but that's one that stands out for me. He was dire. And like MattP said, he was nowhere to be seen for far too many of the goals we conceded, either from being caught out of position or charging out of defence when he should have been backing off until men got back.
Fox92 Posted 10 October 2012 Posted 10 October 2012 Sol was a fantastic player for us. Strange that over half of the fans of this forum never saw that. Glad he's doinf well in Turkey. Simply the best all round center back we've had in years. Morgan is excellent but he doesn't have the mobility, skill or attacking capability of Sol. It was a bad sale on behalf of NP but every manager makes a few mistakes. I wouldn't say he was fantastic, he was about average, that's it. I don't really care if he is doing well or not, he was just another player that has passed through the club. Mobility and skill arn't really essential attributes of a centre half, but Morgan is impressive on the ball. Anyway, I'd rather our centre halfs be old fashioned; Morgan is the best centre half we've had in years, he is good at his job, which is defending. We have improved since Bamba and co. Our defence looks more solid now, and I certainly wouldn't call the sale of Bamba a 'mistake'.
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