Animal rights

[OzFox]

I've been sort of veggie last few days. Wed I had Quorn and marrow bake in the Age Concern cafe. And last couple of days quorn mince with rice and veg in home made byrani.

Not gone over completely. The marrow bake looked the best option and the quorn lasted two days so was cheaper. Need something today. It's either a walk into tow as I need food and other stuff or a trip to London Road Tesco or one of the take aways and do shopping tomorrow. There is a chicken type take away near me on Sparkenhoe Street but I need a cashpoint first so can't go there.

Not sure I've ever tried quorn. Does it have any taste?

[ozleicester]

I've been sort of veggie last few days. Wed I had Quorn and marrow bake in the Age Concern cafe. And last couple of days quorn mince with rice and veg in home made byrani.

Not gone over completely. The marrow bake looked the best option and the quorn lasted two days so was cheaper. Need something today. It's either a walk into tow as I need food and other stuff or a trip to London Road Tesco or one of the take aways and do shopping tomorrow. There is a chicken type take away near me on Sparkenhoe Street but I need a cashpoint first so can't go there.

Cheap, healthy, tasty and cruelty free..whats not to love

Not sure I've ever tried quorn. Does it have any taste?

I like some of it... its different to eating meats.. all of which have different flavours but no one seems to draw that parallel

When i first started eating it, it was about changing my mindspace about what i expected food to taste and "feel" like. Its really interesting that people call it cardboard or flavourless as i can only assume they havent actually tasted it cooked properly... but even so, as we have all been conditioned to enjoy the flavour of burnt carcass, it will of course be a different sensation.

the Quorn "mince" is delicious on Pizza and with pasta... and there are a zillion options.

[Darkon84]

Thats just the type of moronic shit that people fall for from Peta. If Peta spend more time and money on actually doing something about animal rights, instead of getting celebrities tits out, they might get some respect and animal rights might actually improve. Instead, it just makes the whole thing a bit of a sideshow.

50 pages, here we come!!

[Guest MattP]

Cheap, healthy, tasty and cruelty free..whats not to love

Cheap and tastes like shit, what's not to love? I tried some once and was nearly sick on my friends couch.

This Veggie I used to work with turned up to a guests BBQ once with those veggie sausages, they actually looked like three pieces of yellow dog turd he had just picked up in the park. Probably tasted like it as well.

[Mark_w]

Cheap and tastes like shit, what's not to love? I tried some once and was nearly sick on my friends couch.

Well then you're obviously better placed to comment than those of us who eat it relatively regularly.

[Guest MattP]

Well then you're obviously better placed to comment than those of us who eat it relatively regularly.

Once was enough, the people who eat remind me of the sort who drink non alcoholic lager.

[Darkon84]

Once was enough, the people who eat remind me of the sort who drink non alcoholic lager.

Look, talking about meat alternatives is bad enough already, you dont need to start swearing like THAT though! I just spat my tea over my computer screen in shock and disgust.

[Amin]

I'm not a vegetarian but I prefer quorn sausages to meat sausages.

[acooling08]

Cheap, healthy, tasty and cruelty free..whats not to love

I like some of it... its different to eating meats.. all of which have different flavours but no one seems to draw that parallel

When i first started eating it, it was about changing my mindspace about what i expected food to taste and "feel" like. Its really interesting that people call it cardboard or flavourless as i can only assume they havent actually tasted it cooked properly... but even so, as we have all been conditioned to enjoy the flavour of burnt carcass, it will of course be a different sensation.

the Quorn "mince" is delicious on Pizza and with pasta... and there are a zillion options.

It's not a conditioned behaviour, cooked meat tastes brilliant. Even the most passionate veggie cannot deny that surely.

It's a way of life that's lasted for hundreds of thousands of years for humans and I can't see it ending any time soon.

[Rincewind]

Like I said earlier, I've not gone over completely. I had chicken curry today and meatballss yesterday. What I had the other day (marrow bake) looked interesting and better than the other options. Think it was mince cobbler or quiche. It was very nice actually. Only thing I left was a few broad beens that were in the mixed veg. Then the quorn mince I had was in a curry type thing so flavour did not matter much as it had other spices in. Don't think they do quorn lumps of meat.

I prefer to just have what is available. Have a quiche one day pork chops the next.

[OzFox]

Thats just the type of moronic shit that people fall for from Peta. If Peta spend more time and money on actually doing something about animal rights, instead of getting celebrities tits out, they might get some respect and animal rights might actually improve. Instead, it just makes the whole thing a bit of a sideshow.

50 pages, here we come!!

it's not just PETA though is it. Animals rights groups are aware that a large slice of the population actually listen to celebrities. Dozens of them are involved in various campaigns. For example Pat Rafter is doing commercials over here against factory farming. Then there's my personal favourite January Jones and her shark campaign.

People will pay attention to a half naked pic of Joanna Krupa. Show them hidden footage from a factory farm, and they reach for their remote controls. Anyway, I know which one I'd rather be filming.

[ozleicester]

Cheap and tastes like shit, what's not to love? I tried some once and was nearly sick on my friends couch.

This Veggie I used to work with turned up to a guests BBQ once with those veggie sausages, they actually looked like three pieces of yellow dog turd he had just picked up in the park. Probably tasted like it as well.

Did a vegetarian rape you with a stick of celery in your youth?... your continued apparent fear and excessive overreaction suggests some counselling is in order...or at least hug a tree

It's not a conditioned behaviour, cooked meat tastes brilliant. Even the most passionate veggie cannot deny that surely.

It's a way of life that's lasted for hundreds of thousands of years for humans and I can't see it ending any time soon.

If you would care to look at the two highlighted parts of your post, you may note some contradiction in your response.

Of course it is conditioning, or for want of a better word...evolution, we didnt originally eat meat, then our surroundings forced us to, as a result we have become conditioned to enjoy the taste of meat, our brains are trained to believe that burnt carcass is delicious, and much like a pavlovian dog..... a sound, picture, or smell can bring about a conditioned response of............ mm yummy meat

I repeat an earlier point, how many people on their first sip of beer or wine found the flavour unpleasant? and yet most of those people will now enjoy a beer (or 27) or wax lyrical about a fine wine. This is because they have conditioned/trained their brain to believe it is pleasant. The same thing applies for meat, or TFP or Tofu or Quorn.

The dfifference is.... you are happy to train your brain to "like" having its braincells obliterated by an unpleasant taste...but you cant be bothered training it to enjoy something that saves the life of an animal.

Like I said earlier, I've not gone over completely. I had chicken curry today and meatballss yesterday. What I had the other day (marrow bake) looked interesting and better than the other options. Think it was mince cobbler or quiche. It was very nice actually. Only thing I left was a few broad beens that were in the mixed veg. Then the quorn mince I had was in a curry type thing so flavour did not matter much as it had other spices in. Don't think they do quorn lumps of meat.

I prefer to just have what is available. Have a quiche one day pork chops the next.

Sounds perfectly logical

[Reynard Bleu]

Past few weeks we have been trying to have two meat free meals per week, not as part of any crusade but a) to try and save a few bob, and b) to add a liitle more variety to our diet. Its proven remarkably easy, using t'internt to find recipes but trying to keep them simple. This i recommnd to everyone. Its just fantastic with garlic bread a salad and bottle of red plonk

http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/10033/aubergine-tomato-and-parmesan-bake-melanzane-alla-

I won't give up meat, but I will open my mind up to delicious non-meat dishes like this.

[Rincewind]

I wonder if prehistoric man ate human flesh? Why I say this is when somebody died burying may not have been their first thought. That came later when they started to reason and work things out. It would be logical for them to eat dead flesh. I am sure the sentinment was not the same. When that arrive so did religion and questioning.

There are still cannibals now so that is what made me wonder as it would be something that is still instinctive to them.

That recipe look OK. Only thing is I do not have an oven. Not really got space for one. The only spot I can put one is under a smoke alarm. Was fed up with doing a rasher of bacon or two and setting the fire alarm off. I have a mini-oven which is not much use and a microwave.

Was thinking about getting a halogen cooker. Anyone know if they are any good? They are supposed to cook better and save energy.

Edited 31 October 2012 by Nightguard

[ozleicester]

Past few weeks we have been trying to have two meat free meals per week, not as part of any crusade but a) to try and save a few bob, and b) to add a liitle more variety to our diet. Its proven remarkably easy, using t'internt to find recipes but trying to keep them simple. This i recommnd to everyone. Its just fantastic with garlic bread a salad and bottle of red plonk

http://www.bbcgoodfo...-melanzane-alla-

I won't give up meat, but I will open my mind up to delicious non-meat dishes like this.

Sounds good... glad you are enjoying

[Captain...]

If you would care to look at the two highlighted parts of your post, you may note some contradiction in your response.

Of course it is conditioning, or for want of a better word...evolution, we didnt originally eat meat, then our surroundings forced us to, as a result we have become conditioned to enjoy the taste of meat, our brains are trained to believe that burnt carcass is delicious, and much like a pavlovian dog..... a sound, picture, or smell can bring about a conditioned response of............ mm yummy meat

I repeat an earlier point, how many people on their first sip of beer or wine found the flavour unpleasant? and yet most of those people will now enjoy a beer (or 27) or wax lyrical about a fine wine. This is because they have conditioned/trained their brain to believe it is pleasant. The same thing applies for meat, or TFP or Tofu or Quorn.

The dfifference is.... you are happy to train your brain to "like" having its braincells obliterated by an unpleasant taste...but you cant be bothered training it to enjoy something that saves the life of an animal.

So what you're saying is vegetarianism is conditioned behaviour?

It is not all conditioned behaviour, I try as many new things as I can, I recently had scallops for the first time and thought they were delicious, I also had samphire for the first time and thought that was delicious, no conditioning just an open mind to try new things.

On the subject of scallops and such things, like mussels or other sort of lumpy fleshy blobs, do you class them as animals?

[ozleicester]

So what you're saying is vegetarianism is conditioned behaviour?

It is not all conditioned behaviour, I try as many new things as I can, I recently had scallops for the first time and thought they were delicious, I also had samphire for the first time and thought that was delicious, no conditioning just an open mind to try new things.

On the subject of scallops and such things, like mussels or other sort of lumpy fleshy blobs, do you class them as animals?

im saying that the belief that meat is "essential" and we are born to eat it..is conditioned.

Your tasting of Scallops and "Samphires" ( i dont even know what they are/it is ), it is perfectly logical that you might find them tasty and enjoyable as the flavour, consistency, smell and appearance etc all meet our conditioned brains understanding of what we enjoy. My point about the conditioning is the reference people make to the taste and consistency of Quorn and tofu etc, and that it is all terrible. We can choose to change what we find appealing or disgusting.

Having said that... i dislike cous cous enormously and try as i may.. im unable to change that

Scallops and mussels etc are a VERY interesting discussion, we were talking about it at home recently there are some molluscs that are understood to have central nervous systems etc...but there have been some recently found which are apparently nothing more than plants... and so i shouldnt have a problem eating them, i havent managed to fully convince meself yet though.

[Captain...]

im saying that the belief that meat is "essential" and we are born to eat it..is conditioned.

Your tasting of Scallops and "Samphires" ( i dont even know what they are/it is ), it is perfectly logical that you might find them tasty and enjoyable as the flavour, consistency, smell and appearance etc all meet our conditioned brains understanding of what we enjoy. My point about the conditioning is the reference people make to the taste and consistency of Quorn and tofu etc, and that it is all terrible. We can choose to change what we find appealing or disgusting.

Having said that... i dislike cous cous enormously and try as i may.. im unable to change that

Scallops and mussels etc are a VERY interesting discussion, we were talking about it at home recently there are some molluscs that are understood to have central nervous systems etc...but there have been some recently found which are apparently nothing more than plants... and so i shouldnt have a problem eating them, i havent managed to fully convince meself yet though.

Samphire is a coastal plant, very nice.

[ozleicester]

Samphire is a coastal plant, very nice.

Cheers, just been reading about it... interesting stuff, did it have a recognisable flavour?

[Darkon84]

it's not just PETA though is it. Animals rights groups are aware that a large slice of the population actually listen to celebrities. Dozens of them are involved in various campaigns. For example Pat Rafter is doing commercials over here against factory farming. Then there's my personal favourite January Jones and her shark campaign.

People will pay attention to a half naked pic of Joanna Krupa. Show them hidden footage from a factory farm, and they reach for their remote controls. Anyway, I know which one I'd rather be filming.

Theres a difference though. Its one thing to listen to a respected celebrity or athlete like Rafter, or say, an Attenborough, but I think the point gets lost when you just put up half naked pictures of no-mark non celebrities. I dont think people will look at that poster and think, 'yes, we must stop wearing fur'...The women will probably look at it and think slut, and the men will just go waheyyyyyyyyyy fap fap fap.

People may well turn over if you show them a gory illegal factory farm, but find a middle ground and people will listen. Life is about compromise, and its something which is hard to find in this thread.

[OzFox]

Theres a difference though. Its one thing to listen to a respected celebrity or athlete like Rafter, or say, an Attenborough, but I think the point gets lost when you just put up half naked pictures of no-mark non celebrities. I dont think people will look at that poster and think, 'yes, we must stop wearing fur'...The women will probably look at it and think slut, and the men will just go waheyyyyyyyyyy fap fap fap.

People may well turn over if you show them a gory illegal factory farm, but find a middle ground and people will listen. Life is about compromise, and its something which is hard to find in this thread.

Yeah very true, although I think PETA work on the principle that what we do to animals is extreme, so it warrants extreme actions on their part. On the whole, I don't have a problem with it but I can see it would rile a lot of people

[flowwolf]

I'm vegetarian but put simply it's because I feel I can live a healthy life without eating meat. So I don't.

Not much more to it than that

How the fvck could anyone have guessed that ? Do you eat the Cheese from your own knob so that you don't hurt anyone ?

Edited 31 October 2012 by flowwolf

[flowwolf]

Am I the only one that's had a wank over this ?

[Mike Oxlong]

I see Rooney's hair transplant has been a success.

[Deucalion]

I wonder if prehistoric man ate human flesh? Why I say this is when somebody died burying may not have been their first thought. That came later when they started to reason and work things out. It would be logical for them to eat dead flesh. I am sure the sentinment was not the same. When that arrive so did religion and questioning.

There are still cannibals now so that is what made me wonder as it would be something that is still instinctive to them.

That recipe look OK. Only thing is I do not have an oven. Not really got space for one. The only spot I can put one is under a smoke alarm. Was fed up with doing a rasher of bacon or two and setting the fire alarm off. I have a mini-oven which is not much use and a microwave.

Was thinking about getting a halogen cooker. Anyone know if they are any good? They are supposed to cook better and save energy.

The remains of Neanderthal and modern humans both show evidence of butchery after death. This could be because the flesh was stripped after death for ritual purposes or it could be because the flesh was eaten. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that prehistoric humans (Neanderthal and Moderns) hunted each other for food.

While no-one can deny that humans are designed to eat meat and maybe better off for eating meat, everyone must agree that we have moved on a little since we scraped our dead of flesh with flint tools.

Therefore, if our technology has moved on to such a degree, surely our morals and ethics should have moved on too. As long as people eat meat, animals will have to be frightened, suffer and be in pain to achieve this aim. (Lab grown meat is a reality but as things stand a single burger of lab meat costs £100 000) I think even the most staunch meat-eater would be horrified to see what goes on in most abattoirs in this country. Surely we have a responsibility to our fellow creatures to minimise fear, suffering and pain in the production of meat?

I sometimes wonder whether future generations will look at the way we currently treat animals in the same way we look at our relatively recent ancestors for the way they treated fellow humans.