sphericalfox Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 OK a machine gun is OTT but they are owned by some big time gangs. Re children inside. I thought the film would have a guidance rating. The modern day Batman films are pretty violent and dark. Not suitable for very young children. Not at midnight anyway. It doesn't matter whether they were watching that film or another. What parent brings their children to the cinema at or around midnight?
purpleronnie Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 It doesn't matter whether they were watching that film or another. What parent brings their children to the cinema at or around midnight? Maybe it was a treat? Unfortunately it turned out to be a terrible decision for some.
sphericalfox Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 Maybe it was a treat? Unfortunately it turned out to be a terrible decision for some. Are you being serious? A treat for a possible 6year old or baby to go to a cinema? What exactly is showing at a cinema for either of those aged children, or for any child up to the age of 13 at that time?
purpleronnie Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 Are you being serious? A treat for a possible 6year old or baby to go to a cinema? What exactly is showing at a cinema for either of those aged children, or for any child up to the age of 13 at that time? You can't treat a 6 year old to see a film late at a cinema? besides there was a 6 year old there and I assume they weren't just hanging out.
Daggers Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 It doesn't matter whether they were watching that film or another. What parent brings their children to the cinema at or around midnight? I often use a stolen or illegal child to avoid being traced.
sphericalfox Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 You can't treat a 6 year old to see a film late at a cinema? besides there was a 6 year old there and I assume they weren't just hanging out. I find it slightly disturbing that you have no issue with this. Do you have kids?
Captain... Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 The recent Batman films are not suitable for children, not at all, they are excellent films, but they are very adult films, and this 12A rating has probably been bought with a large donation to film classification boards, there was a film not long ago about how corrupt these things are. In theory there is nothing wrong with taking a child to see a suitably rated film at midnight as a treat, in reality it was most likely the parents wanting to watch the film as soon as it came out and thought they would take the kids along, the kids were probably tired and would have been quite scared by the film. Anyone who has seen the Dark Knight would agree it is not suitable for a 6 year old, and this film is most likely no different, due to a 12A rating and relentless marketing a lot aimed at kids, many kids will see it. Of course all of this irrelevant and nothing to do with this senseless killing, the fact kids were there just makes it even more tragic.
purpleronnie Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 I find it slightly disturbing that you have no issue with this. Do you have kids? Taking a baby is stupid but a 6 year old seems ok to me if its a one off.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 So automatic weapons have other uses than for killing people? Is that what we're suggesting here? Obviously, they can also kill animals (don't let OzLeicester see this), but you don't in anyway shape or form need automatic weapons to do that, it's just overkill. The only time you NEED automatic weapons is when your adversary/tartget also has a gun and you want a better one. That is their whole USP. "You're enemy has an AK47? HAVE A FAMAS? He's got a FAMAS? HAVE AN M15!" The right to bear arms is an outdated mode of thinking that dates back to the "wild" west. If you allow anyone to own a gun, well a certain percentage of anyone are psychos. I can't look upon the US as a "civilized" country until they do away with this. American's are aware that many European's look down their noses at them and I'm pretty sure that the ridiculous gun laws are one of the reasons for this. Heston would be so proud.
sphericalfox Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 Taking a baby is stupid but a 6 year old seems ok to me if its a one off. Well, I'll have to wholeheartedly disagree. Treating children like adults (even if one offs) is precisely one of the fundamental issues that is wrong with society in the States. Kids dealing with adult issues and stresses that they shouldn't be concerned with leading them to depression, and mental health problems. Though I not saying that some children don't deal with massively complex and difficult home lives and environments, it seems to me that incidents such as this killing spree are from persons from middle class educated backgrounds.
sphericalfox Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 So automatic weapons have other uses than for killing people? Is that what we're suggesting here? Obviously, they can also kill animals (don't let OzLeicester see this), but you don't in anyway shape or form need automatic weapons to do that, it's just overkill. The only time you NEED automatic weapons is when your adversary/tartget also has a gun and you want a better one. That is their whole USP. "You're enemy has an AK47? HAVE A FAMAS? He's got a FAMAS? HAVE AN M15!" The right to bear arms is an outdated mode of thinking that dates back to the "wild" west. If you allow anyone to own a gun, well a certain percentage of anyone are psychos. I can't look upon the US as a "civilized" country until they do away with this. American's are aware that many European's look down their noses at them and I'm pretty sure that the ridiculous gun laws are one of the reasons for this. Heston would be so proud. The problem is paranoia. Simples. If you reduce the number of guns or specifically tighten gun laws, uneducated or paranoid civilians believe they are heading to an police state/country, where any law can be adjudicated and the common man becomes enslaved in the 'land of the free'. This will never change, as its a funda'mental' par the course of 'prying the gun from my cold dead hand' mindset that makes Americans constantly fearful from external, but specifically internal threat. This is fine and dandy to any government. A fearful and reactive public is much easier to control and manipulate. Ironic.
Rincewind Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 I would wait for a suitable time in the day to take a six year old. They are not bound to stay awake after midnight anyway. The earlier Batman films I've seen and now been on TV I thought more for adults. Nothing like the comic version of the sixties. The Batman story is a lot more serious than normal comic strips. The villians are more sadistic than comical and Batman is not adverse to being a bit nasty. I am not in a hurry to see the new one. I will see it eventually. I wonder if the gunman expected to come out of it alive? Because he did he was able to reveal about his house being booby-trapped. Would the police have considered this if he had been gunned down whilst escaping or in a shootout?
purpleronnie Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 Well, I'll have to wholeheartedly disagree. Treating children like adults (even if one offs) is precisely one of the fundamental issues that is wrong with society in the States. Kids dealing with adult issues and stresses that they shouldn't be concerned with leading them to depression, and mental health problems. Though I not saying that some children don't deal with massively complex and difficult home lives and environments, it seems to me that incidents such as this killing spree are from persons from middle class educated backgrounds. You sound like a bundle of laughs.
purpleronnie Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 So automatic weapons have other uses than for killing people? Is that what we're suggesting here? Obviously, they can also kill animals (don't let OzLeicester see this), but you don't in anyway shape or form need automatic weapons to do that, it's just overkill. The only time you NEED automatic weapons is when your adversary/tartget also has a gun and you want a better one. That is their whole USP. "You're enemy has an AK47? HAVE A FAMAS? He's got a FAMAS? HAVE AN M15!" The right to bear arms is an outdated mode of thinking that dates back to the "wild" west. If you allow anyone to own a gun, well a certain percentage of anyone are psychos. I can't look upon the US as a "civilized" country until they do away with this. American's are aware that many European's look down their noses at them and I'm pretty sure that the ridiculous gun laws are one of the reasons for this. Heston would be so proud. You can call it outdated but americans like their guns so it will never change.....and to think the laws are the way they are because of distain from europeans is laughable they couldn't give a fook.
Jaspa Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 The guy shot a baby in the face If he doesn't get put down, my faith in America will still be non existent
whoareyaaa Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 I would wait for a suitable time in the day to take a six year old. They are not bound to stay awake after midnight anyway. The earlier Batman films I've seen and now been on TV I thought more for adults. Nothing like the comic version of the sixties. The Batman story is a lot more serious than normal comic strips. The villians are more sadistic than comical and Batman is not adverse to being a bit nasty. I am not in a hurry to see the new one. I will see it eventually. I wonder if the gunman expected to come out of it alive? Because he did he was able to reveal about his house being booby-trapped. Would the police have considered this if he had been gunned down whilst escaping or in a shootout? I think he would of expected to come out alive as he was wearing full body armor, but I don't know why maybe he wanted to go on the run with his house being booby-trapped as well. What a loony though must of been on drugs of some sort or mentally ill... they deffenatly need to re-look at the gun law in America there are tons of shootings & crimes every day their all due to the easy access to guns but the people above the goverment will continue to allow this to happen. The guy shot a baby in the face If he doesn't get put down, my faith in America will still be non existent Deffenatly will be on death row surely.
sphericalfox Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 You sound like a bundle of laughs. Having went to High School in the States in Roxbury it was no laughing matter, and neither is this senseless act. I'm just pointing out what I think contributes to these occurrences and the repeat of these over and over.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 You can call it outdated but americans like their guns so it will never change.....and to think the laws are the way they are because of distain from europeans is laughable they couldn't give a fook. Erm... how did you get that from what I wrote? I was saying that a lot of Europeans look down on Americans as violent savages. Basically they're us 200 years ago.
purpleronnie Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 Erm... how did you get that from what I wrote? I was saying that a lot of Europeans look down on Americans as violent savages. Basically they're us 200 years ago. from this:- 'American's are aware that many European's look down their noses at them and I'm pretty sure that the ridiculous gun laws are one of the reasons for this.' Maybe its the way you wrote it.
Rincewind Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 If you look at the history of the last 200 years or so of USA history a lot of it involved guns. A lot of the heroes or anti heroes had guns. Billy the Kid, Jesse James Wild Bill Hickocl, Wyatt Earp Bonnie and Clyde and all the modern day gangsters played by James Cagney and co. in films. Americans love a good shoot out. How is Hollywood going to make vigilante films if the hero has to sign a shitload of papers to get his collection of weapons to take out the baddies before the law does? Who does England have? lawyers who do things by the book. (?) Even Austrailia had a lovable ruffian in Ned Kelly.
ADK Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 Well we have James Bond but he got his licence to kill from MI6... Its a fair point though.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 Now, should he go to prison to be punished, or should he be rehabilitated? We mustn't forget his human rights now, should we?-The bastard..
sphericalfox Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 Now, should he go to prison to be punished, or should he be rehabilitated? We mustn't forget his human rights now, should we?-The bastard.. He's clearly got mental issues. So - prison with rehabilitation.
ADK Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 Now, should he go to prison to be punished, or should he be rehabilitated? We mustn't forget his human rights now, should we?-The bastard.. Both of course
Captain... Posted 21 July 2012 Posted 21 July 2012 It would need some investigation into his mental health, but I do think that in cases like this and definitely Anders Brevik, that there is no point in keeping them locked up for the rest of their lives, there is no point rehabilitating them as they will never see the light of day again, despite my normally liberal views, in this case fvck 'em, put them down, because they are not humans in my eyes. Those that kill in rage or anger, I can understand, but this was deliberate, pre-meditated and sick.
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