Trav Le Bleu Posted 7 September 2012 Posted 7 September 2012 I find myself wondering if the killer was in the car with them. Drove them to a quiet location at gunpoint, started to execute them, unlucky French cyclist stumbles on them, distracts the killer, Zainab makes a break for it (think she was found outside the car) whilst the killer turns the gun on the cyclist, then wings the escaping daughter, at which point he notices a 2nd cyclist coming, realises it's all going pear-shaped (from his point of view) and runs into the forest thinking that Zainab is dead and that the younger daughter, Zeena, isn't going to be much of a witness. If this is a family feud, which would explain the killer already being in the car, then what is already a terrible thing is truly despicable. To kill family over money... the mind boggles. I also feel for the wife of the murdered cyclist, apparently she had contacted the police concerned that he hadn't come home.
I am Rod Hull Posted 7 September 2012 Posted 7 September 2012 You're right we should invade and sort that country out... The reason why these things hit home more is that could have been one of us, if it was a random lone nutter and not a targeted hit. Like the Batman shootings, we can imagine ourselves being in a cinema, or going on holiday in France, and something like this unexpected, unexplained happens and bam, you're dead, one of your kids is buried under your dead body for hours, while your other child is injured on the road. It is called empathy. It is much harder to put ourselves in a worn torn Islamic state run by a dictator, or an impoverished African village hit by an outbreak of typhoid. You speak for yourself. plenty lot of people are just a disgusted by the death of Iraqi civillians as they will be about this senseless loss of life. 26 replies to this thread. 24 replies to http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/73089-the-war-in-iraq/page__hl__iraq thread.
Captain... Posted 7 September 2012 Posted 7 September 2012 26 replies to this thread. 24 replies to http://www.foxestalk.../page__hl__iraq thread. Conclusive proof then. It has nothing to do with the fact that all the arguments over Iraq have been done to death, that we have marched and protested, campaigned and begged the government not to get involved, and once they did, to withdraw, but then if we hadn't got involved you would argue that we don't care about the suffering and killing being inflicted by Saddam's regime and we should get involved. ...and as I said in my post, a british family being killed in France is a lot closer to home, to our lives, we are never going to go on holiday to Iraq, we are not soldiers, war is not something most of us are likely to take part in, after having our protests and letters ignored, there is very little we can do about it.
Guest MattP Posted 7 September 2012 Posted 7 September 2012 ...and as I said in my post, a british family being killed in France is a lot closer to home, to our lives, we are never going to go on holiday to Iraq, we are not soldiers, war is not something most of us are likely to take part in, after having our protests and letters ignored, there is very little we can do about it.
I am Rod Hull Posted 7 September 2012 Posted 7 September 2012 Conclusive proof then. It has nothing to do with the fact that all the arguments over Iraq have been done to death, that we have marched and protested, campaigned and begged the government not to get involved, and once they did, to withdraw, but then if we hadn't got involved you would argue that we don't care about the suffering and killing being inflicted by Saddam's regime and we should get involved. ...and as I said in my post, a british family being killed in France is a lot closer to home, to our lives, we are never going to go on holiday to Iraq, we are not soldiers, war is not something most of us are likely to take part in, after having our protests and letters ignored, there is very little we can do about it. Closer to home? what about the British soldiers that have died in Iraq and Afghanistan, thats pretty close to home I think, but they dont get the press coverage that these shootings in France have received, all they get is 10 seconds on news at ten. We get desensitised to prolonged conflicts with multiple deaths. Like I said, 1 death is a tragedy a million is a statistic. France killings = sexy news.
ADK Posted 7 September 2012 Posted 7 September 2012 Closer to home? what about the British soldiers that have died in Iraq and Afghanistan, thats pretty close to home I think, but they dont get the press coverage that these shootings in France have received, all they get is 10 seconds on news at ten. We get desensitised to prolonged conflicts with multiple deaths. Like I said, 1 death is a tragedy a million is a statistic. France killings = sexy news. I disagree, i don't feel the same way about soldiers being killed as it is their line of work. They knew the risks when they signed up although of course it is bad news when one of them is killed. This is far more shocking, its not that fact people were killed it's the manner of the killing and the location that makes it shocking. I think shrapnel hit the nail on the head already.
I am Rod Hull Posted 7 September 2012 Posted 7 September 2012 I disagree, i don't feel the same way about soldiers being killed as it is their line of work. They knew the risks when they signed up although of course it is bad news when one of them is killed. This is far more shocking, its not that fact people were killed it's the manner of the killing and the location that makes it shocking. I think shrapnel hit the nail on the head already. Far more shocking? you mean sexy, surely... I`ll quote 21st Century Fox from page 1 when he said "It sounds like the prologue to a fictional story or action film, unreal." I wish people would get on my level...
I am Rod Hull Posted 7 September 2012 Posted 7 September 2012 No i mean shocking. No, you mean sexy... Sexy, sexy, sexy, sexy, sexy ,sexy, sexy, sexy, sexy, sexy news death stories...
I am Rod Hull Posted 7 September 2012 Posted 7 September 2012 No, I think he means shocking. Paradigm....
Captain... Posted 7 September 2012 Posted 7 September 2012 Closer to home? what about the British soldiers that have died in Iraq and Afghanistan, thats pretty close to home I think, but they dont get the press coverage that these shootings in France have received, all they get is 10 seconds on news at ten. We get desensitised to prolonged conflicts with multiple deaths. Like I said, 1 death is a tragedy a million is a statistic. France killings = sexy news. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just explaining why, and I'm not going to feel guilty for taking more interest in a current news story than an ongoing amoral conflict and the sad and tragic waste of lives it is. You have also not posted a lot on the millions dying in Africa everyday at the hands of warlords and despots, nor the disease and famine that ravages many impoverished nations. I also haven't seen you post about the thousands being killed by unexploded ordinance in Asian countries as a result of previous conflicts. On the flip side there has not been posts and posts and thread after thread after every news report of a death. 1 death is also normally a statistic. It is just sometimes some deaths get more attention whether warranted or not, for every Madeline McCann or Sarah Payne hundreds of other kids get abducted and killed in this country and other countries that get no press coverage. It is not always about sexiness, this one is intriguing because of the mysterious events around it and people are talking about it because they want to know what happened, to try and find comfort or understanding at this waste of life and trauma on the children. Or to put simply because it is news, on another day it could have disappeared off the front pages very quickly for a footballer's latest indiscretion. That is the nature of the media, it doesn't matter how much news there is on any given day the newspapers are the same size and the broadcasts the same length.
Guest Posted 8 September 2012 Posted 8 September 2012 France is a pretty violent place, huge problems in quite a lot of french suburbs. You watch the wrong news. There are huge problems in 2 or 3 known areas of poverty. It is a social/racial/housing problem. If you put all the unemployed, foreign, deprived youths in a few council housing tenement blocks you are asking for a no-go area and for occasional burnt out cars and street wars. France is not at all violent and has many many morre tourists from all over the world than the UK. The lake at annecy is a peaceful, beautiful area where anyone in their right mind would love to spend time. It is not violent.
Guest Posted 8 September 2012 Posted 8 September 2012 The girl being beaten hasn't been dicussed enough either. That is an oddity in the case and should provide the clue to what it is about and who did it. With regards to Iraq and other areas I think it is disgusting that we "seem" to care less. Then again we are aggressors in a foreign country in Iraq so probably not best to highlight the brutal murders of innocents by our boys.
Daggers Posted 8 September 2012 Posted 8 September 2012 Why not? It proves you can kill alot of people very quickly with one which is the reason for them being banned over here. It proves that, regardless of a ban, weapons exist in the general population and therefore we might need weapons to protect ourselves. It also proves that banning weapons is like passing a law banning people from pissing in the sea.
ADK Posted 8 September 2012 Posted 8 September 2012 It proves that, regardless of a ban, weapons exist in the general population and therefore we might need weapons to protect ourselves. It also proves that banning weapons is like passing a law banning people from pissing in the sea. Can't be bothered with that same old arguement.
purpleronnie Posted 8 September 2012 Posted 8 September 2012 Can't be bothered with that same old arguement. Admit your wrong and move on.
I am Rod Hull Posted 8 September 2012 Posted 8 September 2012 Can't be bothered with that same old arguement. Not shocking sexy enough?
ADK Posted 8 September 2012 Posted 8 September 2012 Admit your wrong and move on. I'm not wrong but it's a pointless arguement.
Smudge Posted 8 September 2012 Posted 8 September 2012 I'm not wrong but it's a pointless arguement. You feel that banning guns stops people being shot, how is that logical?
Legend_in_blue Posted 8 September 2012 Posted 8 September 2012 There's something extremely dodgy about all of this...
MooseBreath Posted 8 September 2012 Posted 8 September 2012 There's something extremely dodgy about all of this... as opposed to all those other family murders which are usually so wholesome
Daggers Posted 9 September 2012 Posted 9 September 2012 Its a good arguement for why handguns were banned over here. I'm not wrong but it's a pointless arguement. Erm. I tell you what, that banning of drugs has panned out well too, eh?
ADK Posted 9 September 2012 Posted 9 September 2012 Erm. I tell you what, that banning of drugs has panned out well too, eh? Think you'll find making drugs illegal does effect their usage. Same with guns.
Jaspa Posted 10 September 2012 Posted 10 September 2012 Two shots to the head for all killed, done in a pretty remote area and suspect gone with pretty much no trace Very, very professional Then we have a random ex-military Brit just happening to be cycling around the area And an absurd amount of press coverage which I guess is justified by the children but still gets me thinking I honestly dont have a clue what has fully happened here, will be a very interesting story to keep an eye on
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