Manwell Pablo Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 Mark's done that above. For the period of time that you consider sufficient to allow a player to settle, Vardy's record is superior, despite him coming from the BSP. They're both awful records to be fair. And this surely is the point. Neither player is good enough. One player scoring one more goal in one more appearance makes naff all difference. Christ they may as well be arguing over whether Benjamin was better than Akinbiyi!!!
Mark_w Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 Fvck here as well ??? Your Beckford bashing is getting boring Mark, he's not even here anymore. On topic, a loan to League One, with a recall option in case of injury here, would probably do him good. It's not Beckford bashing in this thread. It's pointing out what a terrible hypocrite Bert is for deciding that Vardy should go after half a season, despite his defense of Beckford in a similar situation last year.
Grewks Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 It's not Beckford bashing in this thread. It's pointing out what a terrible hypocrite Bert is for deciding that Vardy should go after half a season, despite his defense of Beckford in a similar situation last year. Totally agree, especially considering that vardy is younger, cheaper and made a step up rather than step down which beckford did. He hasn't looked great so far this season, but he has been paired with nugent and both are similar players, maybe if he was given a chance with wood he may look better.
Manwell Pablo Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 Totally agree, especially considering that vardy is younger, cheaper and made a step up rather than step down which beckford did. He hasn't looked great so far this season, but he has been paired with nugent and both are similar players, maybe if he was given a chance with wood he may look better. Well this is actually a reason to defend him.......at the risk of getting drawn into arguing with someone with a complete incapability to admit when their wrong (not yourself) I've not defended personally but Beckford is easier to defend than Vardy, if you look at it an extermly simple way i.e one 6 month block stint at Leicester City they've both been roughly as bad as each other in around the same amount of games, granted. Before he lost his head and decided he didn't want anything to do with us there is evidence to suggest that if he got it right Beckford could do alright for us, for one he's done well in a squad role in the Premier League, for two he's done exceptionally well in League One, and for three if you live in the real world where FA cups aren't taken out to suit peoples arguements, he scored 15 goals last year. Where as Vardy, there is little track record to imply he is capable of playing any higher than Conference football as of yet, although a stint in League One could certainly help him.
The People's Hero Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 The header vs Blackburn was a good finish.
Mark_w Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 Well this is actually a reason to defend him.......at the risk of getting drawn into arguing with someone with a complete incapability to admit when their wrong (not yourself) *they're
Grewks Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 Well this is actually a reason to defend him.......at the risk of getting drawn into arguing with someone with a complete incapability to admit when their wrong (not yourself) I've not defended personally but Beckford is easier to defend than Vardy, if you look at it an extermly simple way i.e one 6 month block stint at Leicester City they've both been roughly as bad as each other in around the same amount of games, granted. Before he lost his head and decided he didn't want anything to do with us there is evidence to suggest that if he got it right Beckford could do alright for us, for one he's done well in a squad role in the Premier League, for two he's done exceptionally well in League One, and for three if you live in the real world where FA cups aren't taken out to suit peoples arguements, he scored 15 goals last year. Where as Vardy, there is little track record to imply he is capable of playing any higher than Conference football as of yet, although a stint in League One could certainly help him. Disagree. The fact that he has had a successful season in league 1, and played a squad role in the premier league suggests that he should have done a lot better than vardy. And in reality, he didn't. The reason people state that FA cup games don't count is simply because a) the premier league is our target and b) in reality one could have played against manchester united, chelsea, and arsenal, whilst the other could have played, luton, burton and wycombe, or one could have played all the way up to the final, while the other could have played in a team knocked out in round one. Both strikers were brought in to school goals in the league, not the cup. And as for vardy having no track record?? I believe if you look at his record in the championship, it is better than that of Beckford's.
LeicesterAreGoingUp Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 HAS/IS VARDY BEING SENT OUT ON LOAN OR NOT????????
Manwell Pablo Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 *they're If thats the best you've got Mark may as well
Manwell Pablo Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 Disagree. The fact that he has had a successful season in league 1, and played a squad role in the premier league suggests that he should have done a lot better than vardy. And in reality, he didn't. The reason people state that FA cup games don't count is simply because a) the premier league is our target and b) in reality one could have played against manchester united, chelsea, and arsenal, whilst the other could have played, luton, burton and wycombe, or one could have played all the way up to the final, while the other could have played in a team knocked out in round one. Both strikers were brought in to school goals in the league, not the cup. And as for vardy having no track record?? I believe if you look at his record in the championship, it is better than that of Beckford's. Granted but that's not what I'm saying is it, and if you look at what you've written your actually agreeing with my point by saying that, he should, and indeed, could of, but didn't. He was pretty below average for us, however there is more reason to have more hope that he would come good if you get my meaning, so therefore you can see why there is a better arguement to perserver with Beckford for longer. Again you are right but I think in Beckfords case, He scored against a Hat Trick against a Championship side (our biggest rivals as well) a very decent Swindon team that had knocked out Prem opponents the previous round, and the team that won the Champions League and the FA cup after beating us, again evidence that he can do it. Not something Vardy has done, ableit, he's not had a a huge amount of opportunties and now is not likely to get them here. The are reasons to say Beckford "could" have done it here, he hasn't and wont and Championship form isn't one of them granted, and there is absloutley nothing to suggest Vardy can at this moment in time. Can't really be argued with. A long move could certainly change that, I'd would geniunly be interested to see how he'd get on in League One, think he'd struggle for Peteborough though.
Mark_w Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 If thats the best you've got Mark may as well What do you mean 'if that's the best you've got', you weren't even talking to me. I've already put forward my thoughts on the Vardy/Beckford debate if you're genuinely interested.
Manwell Pablo Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 What do you mean 'if that's the best you've got', you weren't even talking to me. I've already put forward my thoughts on the Vardy/Beckford debate if you're genuinely interested. I've read it a million times mate! Just for the record I had had my spelling and grammar knocked more times on this forum than you have had hot dinners before you'd even signed up to this forum, it's a well known fact I don't have the inclination to correct the many mistakes a make (which I make for a good reason) when typing quickly and correcting me is generally viewed as pathetic
kingfox Posted 15 January 2013 Author Posted 15 January 2013 Mark_W v Manwell Pablo Forget Froch v Kessler.
Bert Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 It's not Beckford bashing in this thread. It's pointing out what a terrible hypocrite Bert is for deciding that Vardy should go after half a season, despite his defense of Beckford in a similar situation last year. Where have I said Vardy should leave then? All I said was "how long should we give someone to prove themselves". Someone quick, call the police. Bert is such a terrible hypocrite on an Internet forum I put my life and soul into Get a grip.
Bert Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 Well this is actually a reason to defend him.......at the risk of getting drawn into arguing with someone with a complete incapability to admit when their wrong (not yourself) I've not defended personally but Beckford is easier to defend than Vardy, if you look at it an extermly simple way i.e one 6 month block stint at Leicester City they've both been roughly as bad as each other in around the same amount of games, granted. Before he lost his head and decided he didn't want anything to do with us there is evidence to suggest that if he got it right Beckford could do alright for us, for one he's done well in a squad role in the Premier League, for two he's done exceptionally well in League One, and for three if you live in the real world where FA cups aren't taken out to suit peoples arguements, he scored 15 goals last year. Where as Vardy, there is little track record to imply he is capable of playing any higher than Conference football as of yet, although a stint in League One could certainly help him. By the way what a great post.
Mark_w Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 I've read it a million times mate! Just for the record I had had my spelling and grammar knocked more times on this forum than you have had hot dinners before you'd even signed up to this forum, it's a well known fact I don't have the inclination to correct the many mistakes a make (which I make for a good reason) when typing quickly and correcting me is generally viewed as pathetic I really don't care mate. It wasn't even meant seriously. Since you were, I assume, insinuating that I have a superiority complex, I figured the best response was to comment on anything in that post that was clearly wrong rather than getting dragged into a slagging match with you. Where have I said Vardy should leave then? All I said was "how long should we give someone to prove themselves". You said this in response to a post defending Vardy, So how long should we give someone? Half a season is more than enough. We can't afford to give players more time to prove themselves when we're fighting to go up. Surely it's fair to assume that, that was you suggesting he isn't good enough?
Manwell Pablo Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 I really don't care mate. It wasn't even meant seriously. Since you were, I assume, insinuating that I have a superiority complex, I figured the best response was to comment on anything in that post that was clearly wrong rather than getting dragged into a slagging match with you. You said this in response to a post defending Vardy, Surely it's fair to assume that, that was you suggesting he isn't good enough? Well it's not it's all mostly fact and not opinion but there is no slagging match here just trying to pass on a bit of forum etticate your probably weren't aware of.
Bert Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 I really don't care mate. It wasn't even meant seriously. Since you were, I assume, insinuating that I have a superiority complex, I figured the best response was to comment on anything in that post that was clearly wrong rather than getting dragged into a slagging match with you. You said this in response to a post defending Vardy, Surely it's fair to assume that, that was you suggesting he isn't good enough? Yes that's me saying "we should sell Vardy". Not my fault you took it the wrong way. I guess you just wanted an argument. Me saying that I want him to do well for us coincidently got forgotten about. For me he's not proved himself to start week in week out, so with the situation we're in we can't afford to give him more time to do so. This doesn't mean he still can't have impact on the squad
Mark_w Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 Yes that's me saying "we should sell Vardy". For me he's not proved himself to start week in week out, so with the situation we're in we can't afford to give him more time to do so. Right we're getting somewhere. Did you think the same about Beckford this time last year?
Manwell Pablo Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 Right we're getting somewhere. Did you think the same about Beckford this time last year? Well he'd just scored a hat trick against Forest so I'm guessing no.............
Mark_w Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 Well he'd just scored a hat trick against Forest so I'm guessing no............. That's only the case if Bert waits two days to answer my question.
Manwell Pablo Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 That's only the case if Bert waits two days to answer my question. Well maybe that's his plan? Does this mean your going to stop arguing in two days? Because this time last year shit is going to get a lot harder to pull in the coming weeks
Mark_w Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 Does this mean your going to stop arguing in two days? Because this time last year shit is going to get a lot harder to pull in the coming weeks No it's not. Beckford didn't get his fourth league goal until March, Vardy has already got his. Two goals against a League Two side and three against a side who at the time were woeful and were forced to play a central midfielder at CB don't impress me.
Manwell Pablo Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 No it's not. Beckford didn't get his fourth league goal until March, Vardy has already got his. Two goals against a League Two side and three against a side who at the time were woeful and were forced to play a central midfielder at CB don't impress me. March? What about six week away? Do you honestly think Jamie Vardy is going to register 5 league goals between now and the end of March as well? EDIT: And if Goals against woeful Championship sides don't count your hero Waghorn has one.
Mark_w Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 March? What about six week away? Do you honestly think Jamie Vardy is going to register 5 league goals between now and the end of March as well? What are you on about? Vardy already has four league goals. Beckford didn't get four until March. I can keep up the 'this time last year' argument for at least two months if I want to, and that's assuming Vardy doesn't score any more goals in that time.
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