JonnyBoy Posted 4 January 2013 Posted 4 January 2013 Has your entire argument been based on having seen that one clip? Or did you base it on the twenty goals he's scored in ninety-seven league games outside of League One? Dennis Wise, while at Newcastle, once saw a Youtube video of a chap called Ignacio Gonzalez. He was also very good. Clearly one goal every five games for a 29 year-old on 30 grand plus per week and whose sole purpose is pretty much to score goals is precisely what you feel we need. Presumably you feel that the twelve goals he's scored in 63 career Championship games would be a massive improvement on the thirteen that Wood has bagged in twenty this season alone, or the twelve that Nugent has hit in 21 or 22 for us in 2012-13. His goals per game average at this level and above is worse than that of past stalwarts like Fryatt, Connolly and Howard; and on a par with that of De Vries, Hume and our very own Waghorn (who's six years younger and, by his own admission, not a goalscorer by trade). Even Andy King very nearly matches his goals-per-game ratio in the Championship. I'm not the hottest when it comes to forum jargon, but someone recently explained to me what a WUM is. So I can only deduce that you're either a WUM, mind-blowingly blinkered, or just plain simple. skipped through most of that as i almost fell asleep I'll go back to my original Post. It is clear Becks Can finish, this is evident at Leeds and Scunny. Vardy this season has very much struggled to hit the target on many, many occasions. Is my opinion ok for you as a WUM?
Guest Col city fan Posted 4 January 2013 Posted 4 January 2013 skipped through most of that as i almost fell asleep I'll go back to my original Post. It is clear Becks Can finish, this is evident at Leeds and Scunny. Vardy this season has very much struggled to hit the target on many, many occasions. Is my opinion ok for you as a WUM? There's no point banging on about Beckford. I think he's history. Vardy hasn't exactly pulled up trees either though has he? Lets have it right. It looks like its gonna be a bloody shame we didn't sign Wood (or another good striker at this level) at the START of the season. I genuinely think we'd be top of the table.
inckley fox Posted 4 January 2013 Posted 4 January 2013 skipped through most of that as i almost fell asleep I'll go back to my original Post. It is clear Becks Can finish, this is evident at Leeds and Scunny. Vardy this season has very much struggled to hit the target on many, many occasions. Is my opinion ok for you as a WUM? Presumably your limited attention span is also responsible for you skipping through the thirty four games last season in which Beckford failed to find the net. As I said; a WUM, blinkered or thick. Clearly the latter, then.
JonnyBoy Posted 4 January 2013 Posted 4 January 2013 Presumably your limited attention span is also responsible for you skipping through the thirty four games last season in which Beckford failed to find the net. As I said; a WUM, blinkered or thick. Clearly the latter, then. Zzzzzzzz, my 'limited attention span' got me into university, smart arse you cant spell either whats 'Inckley' ?
ReyAzarola Posted 4 January 2013 Posted 4 January 2013 At this moment in time Vardy is a decent championship striker and only that - decent. I think he can improve over time with guidance from NP but if we were to get promoted that in my opinion would be a step up too soon for him - In other words he's a good squad player for now at championship level. Good thing about him is he seems to want to be here whereas the same can't seem to be said about Beckford. Beckford at this point is also only a "decent" striker. Past performances at any club mean little in the present. He has failed to live up to his star potential and you can't really blame the management for trying to move him on. A year or so ago I would take Beckford over Vardy but I can't believe with the wonderful benefit of hindsight why anyone would want that situation now.
JonnyBoy Posted 4 January 2013 Posted 4 January 2013 quite funny, considering you have just labelled me as thick!
ReyAzarola Posted 4 January 2013 Posted 4 January 2013 Zzzzzzzz, my 'limited attention span' got me into university, smart arse you cant spell either whats 'Inckley' ? plenty of students at uni with limited attention spans.
JonnyBoy Posted 4 January 2013 Posted 4 January 2013 plenty of students at uni with limited attention spans. i completely agree with that, those that choose to do micky mouse degrees
Mark_w Posted 4 January 2013 Posted 4 January 2013 Zzzzzzzz, my 'limited attention span' got me into university, smart arse you cant spell either whats 'Inckley' ? He knows how to use a full stop and capital letters though.
JonnyBoy Posted 4 January 2013 Posted 4 January 2013 He knows how to use a full stop and capital letters though. amazing input, thanks Grammer police
inckley fox Posted 4 January 2013 Posted 4 January 2013 Zzzzzzzz, my 'limited attention span' got me into university, smart arse you cant spell either whats 'Inckley' ? Inckley is a surname. The world is bigger than Leicestershire. Oh and university. Yes, I went there once too. So did George W. Bush, Ron Jeremy and Nick Griffin. William Blake, Jane Austen and Thomas Edison didn't, of course. I'm assuming your spelling of 'grammar' is ironic. We teach irony in our schools, for those with the attention span.
Danno Posted 4 January 2013 Posted 4 January 2013 Zzzzzzzz, my 'limited attention span' got me into university, smart arse you cant spell either whats 'Inckley' ? Wow do you want a sticker for getting into Uni or something? Back to the original debate, Beckford will never play for us again and is a massive waste of money, plus he is a very average striker.
inckley fox Posted 4 January 2013 Posted 4 January 2013 Wow do you want a sticker for getting into Uni or something? Back to the original debate, Beckford will never play for us again and is a massive waste of money, plus he is a very average striker. My original point. I was amazed that anyone could argue to the contrary then discovered that, no, they couldn't.
Mark_w Posted 4 January 2013 Posted 4 January 2013 Fine if you want some genuine input, It is clear Becks Can finish, this is evident at Leeds and Scunny. Vardy scored 31 goals in 36 games last year, is it clear that he can finish or does he need to prove it at this level? If he does need to prove it in the Championship, why does the same not apply to Beckford? Jermaine Beckford is 29 years old (four years older than Vardy), he's never reached double figures in a season in terms of goals scored above League One (Something that has been achieved by the likes of Waghorn, Fryatt, Hume and Akinbiyi). Anyone who thinks that a 29 year old who has never proven himself at this level should be playing for Leicester City (Despite already proving he isn't good enough), or earning £20,000+ a week needs their head testing. how many has Vardy got this season? 4 in 20, so he's about on course to match Beckford's mind-boggling total, since he's four years younger, earning a lot less and cost us half the transfer fee, I know which one I'd rather we persevere with. Maybe it's just me.
inckley fox Posted 4 January 2013 Posted 4 January 2013 Fine if you want some genuine input, Vardy scored 31 goals in 36 games last year, is it clear that he can finish or does he need to prove it at this level? If he does need to prove it in the Championship, why does the same not apply to Beckford? Jermaine Beckford is 29 years old (four years older than Vardy), he's never reached double figures in a season in terms of goals scored above League One (Something that has been achieved by the likes of Waghorn, Fryatt, Hume and Akinbiyi). Anyone who thinks that a 29 year old who has never proven himself at this level should be playing for Leicester City (Despite already proving he isn't good enough), or earning £20,000+ a week needs their head testing. 4 in 20, so he's about on course to match Beckford's mind-boggling total, since he's four years younger, earning a lot less and cost us half the transfer fee, I know which one I'd rather we persevere with. Maybe it's just me. Good stuff. But I tried the constructive input approach too and it doesn't seem to get anywhere.
foxes2011 Posted 5 January 2013 Posted 5 January 2013 When we bought him and paid a million for him i must admit my eyebrows were highley raised. I have seen nothing to sugest im rong in my gut feeling that he isnt good enough for this division. The one thing i cant fault though is his effort and commintment and tbh id rather see him used as a wide man. Think he should persue first team opportunities elsewhere.
Swalker Posted 5 January 2013 Posted 5 January 2013 Yes! Completley out of his depth. Can't fault the guys effort, attitude and commitment. But he's scared to shoot and has pretty poor control- takes seemingly 10 touches before he every moves the ball on
Tommy G Posted 5 January 2013 Posted 5 January 2013 Nice Missus JonnyBoy. Oh you're that pervert he's been telling me about
Manwell Pablo Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 I don't tend to judge players by their transfer fee, for starters it is no longer an indication of their ability, it is just as much and indication of how much they have left on their contract, how eager/desperate the buying and the selling club are. He didn't decide what we paid for him, so I judge him on his performances on the pitch and his contribution to the team, so far he is doing ok and a good option to have as back up. And I am confident he will get better once he is fit, at the moment he isn't and hasn't looked it since he was first sidelined with illness. Incorrect, their transfer fee should be a direct indication of their ability, there is a reason Robin Van Persie Costs so many times more than Leon Constantine. And like I say, I don't see why we should be paying a fourth choice striker a wage of a first team player as he will no doubt be taking home. If Jamie Vardy ends up fourth choice here I see that as failure, and I doubt he wont look at it the same way. and I don't think he, on the whole, has been "ok", I think he's been dissapointing, not terrible granted, but he's struggled to adapt his game to the Championship, if people want to point out the failings in his game, they are well within their rights to do so. Just look at another player we have signed for less money and you'll see what I want to see from a million pound + striker. Although I do agree with you on one thing now Wood is here all this talk of Jermaine is very very pointless.
indierich06 Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 Beckford can't finish? ok.... wow Whatever way you look at it, Vardy has performed better than Beckford this season. More goals and more assists, which as a striker is the only thing that matters. how many has Vardy got this season? 2 more than Beckford.
ian the fox Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 Leicester fans never tolerate players that "toss it off " Beckford absolutely killed us last season by not giving a shit .......
Tommy G Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 Lets see if Vardy gets as many as JB does at the end of the season? Only fair way to judge really
kingfox Posted 8 January 2013 Posted 8 January 2013 After watching Matt Green for Mansfield at the weekend, and considering we were linked with him on deadline day in the Summer, I can't help think that we signed the wrong Non League striker. Green only scored a couple less than Vardy last season, so he also knows how to find the net, but after watching him against Liverpool I thought he had much better strength, he ran the channels really well, of course scored a goal, and had and created quite a few chances in the second half, especially some of his cracking long range efforts which forced saves from Jones, he also held the ball up well on occasions. People may not agree, but I thought he looked better than Vardy in most aspects of his game, and probably would of cost cheaper.
Captain... Posted 8 January 2013 Posted 8 January 2013 Incorrect, their transfer fee should be a direct indication of their ability, there is a reason Robin Van Persie Costs so many times more than Leon Constantine. And like I say, I don't see why we should be paying a fourth choice striker a wage of a first team player as he will no doubt be taking home. If Jamie Vardy ends up fourth choice here I see that as failure, and I doubt he wont look at it the same way. and I don't think he, on the whole, has been "ok", I think he's been dissapointing, not terrible granted, but he's struggled to adapt his game to the Championship, if people want to point out the failings in his game, they are well within their rights to do so. But it isn't, look at Nuge, free, that is not an indication of his value, just his contract, it is the same with anyone coming towards the end of the contract, they are cheaper than if they had just signed a 4 year contract. We got Wood for less than we would have done had West Brom actually wanted to keep him, regardless of his ability he was surplus to requirement and West Brom were happy to accept an early bid to get the money in the bank and spend it rather than try and keep their player, or push the price up y playing hard ball throughout the window. These days there are many factors affecting transfer fees, if Walcott doesn't sign a new contract he will leave for around 7-8 million, if he does sign a new contract it will need a bid of around 30 million to get him from Arsenal. Like I said I don't judge him on his price tag, maybe I will judge whoever negotiates the price tag on it, as it is looking too high. I still maintain as a back up striker he is more than capable of doing a job for us this season.
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