Jimbo Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 Not a moan about his performance or anything, just after a few opinions and if someone knows the actual answer it would be greatly appreciated. It may have already been mentioned, I don't think I'd have been the only to who saw it. During the build up which led to Nugent's goal being ruled out for offside for the second time, the ref waved advantage. There was a foul on Chris Wood. The ball fell to Nugent who then tucked it away but it was ruled out for offside. That to me says the ref should have pulled it back for the original foul. He waved "play on" as he believed that there was an advantage to be played. But if Nugent was in an offside postion then there was no advantage to be had. Does one incident take priority over the other? Obviously if there was no foul in the first place then Nugent would have still been offside so does that have any bearing on it? But seeing as the foul took place prior to the offside then surely that should take priority? Just wondering what others thoughts are on these such incidents
Corky Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 Isn't it that the first offence takes priority? On Sunday at Spurs Danny Welbeck was fouled and a free-kick given, but the linesman had flagged for offside and as that was the first offence the free-kick was given to Spurs. Wood being fouled was the first offence so as no advantage occurred from Nugent being offside I'd have thought a free-kick should've been awarded.
Guest BlueBrett Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 I suppose it depends whether the time allowed to press an advantage has elapsed in the referees view. Might be useful if refs notified the players like in rugby.
shiv Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 Not a moan about his performance or anything, just after a few opinions and if someone knows the actual answer it would be greatly appreciated. It may have already been mentioned, I don't think I'd have been the only to who saw it. During the build up which led to Nugent's goal being ruled out for offside for the second time, the ref waved advantage. There was a foul on Chris Wood. The ball fell to Nugent who then tucked it away but it was ruled out for offside. That to me says the ref should have pulled it back for the original foul. He waved "play on" as he believed that there was an advantage to be played. But if Nugent was in an offside postion then there was no advantage to be had. Does one incident take priority over the other? Obviously if there was no foul in the first place then Nugent would have still been offside so does that have any bearing on it? But seeing as the foul took place prior to the offside then surely that should take priority? Just wondering what others thoughts are on these such incidents I noticed this, I thought he should have pulled it back for the original foul as this was the first incident that happened as Corky has said.
NewquayFox Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 As an ex Ref heres my thoughts, if the Ref raised his arms to show advantage it usually lasts for 2 to 4 seconds and if no advantage is gained you would pull it back to the original offence, as the offside was in the same movement he should have given us the free kick, i didnt notice it at the time but if it was the first dissalowed goal Nugent wasnt offside but was for the second one. Who would be a Ref hey!!!
Dan Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 Seen this happen before and to be fair, the ref has generally favoured the latter decision and awarded Middlesbrough a free-kick. We didn't have much luck with decisions because there were a few, the first ruled out goal being the main one, that could've certainly gone either way, but I think on the balance the ref had a pretty good game.
dmayne7 Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 The advantage rule in football is shocking. It rarely gets called back even if a team loses the ball 2 seconds later. Could learn a lot from Rugby in that regards; Its more to do with the distance travelled than any time elapsing.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 Every single time someone mentions the advantage rule it reminds me of playing 5-a-side a few years ago when the ref played advantage, the opposition player belted it miles wide and the ref pulled it back for the free kick. Not sure I've ever seen that happen in a proper game.
Corky Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 It wasn't even offside! It was, the first goal was marginal, not this one.
StanSP Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 I thought the ref had a great game. Both offside decisions for Nugent's 2 goals were bang on. Nugent was ever so slightly offside for the first and definitely for the second. Great calls by the linesman, in fact. Take the blue-tinted specs off .
Jimothy Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 I thought the ref had a great game. Both offside decisions for Nugent's 2 goals were bang on. Nugent was ever so slightly offside for the first and definitely for the second. Great calls by the linesman, in fact. Take the blue-tinted specs off . But he's not saying they weren't offside, he's saying on one of those occasions Nugent was called offside after advantage was played for a foul on Wood. As the foul was the first offence, surely it has to pulled back to that point, as we gained no advantage from it.
StanSP Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 But he's not saying they weren't offside, he's saying on one of those occasions Nugent was called offside after advantage was played for a foul on Wood. As the foul was the first offence, surely it has to pulled back to that point, as we gained no advantage from it. Sorry, Ian W LCFC was meant to be quoted!
Jimothy Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 Sorry, Ian W LCFC was meant to be quoted! Ah see what you mean now
notnow john Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 This is a really good question,some refs negate the original offence as soon as they award an advantage. Others Give several seconds to see if any advantage occurs. Does Newquay fox ( Great avatar ) know what the written rule is?
Dan Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 It wasn't even offside! I wasn't even sure at the time, I wasn't sure if there had to be a gap between both players or whether the furthest part of the forwards body is what's taken into account. I can see why he gave it anyway, went on the safe side.
Ian W LCFC Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 I thought the ref had a great game. Both offside decisions for Nugent's 2 goals were bang on. Nugent was ever so slightly offside for the first and definitely for the second. Great calls by the linesman, in fact. Take the blue-tinted specs off . For the second one he was definitely offside but I don't think he was for the 1st. Anyway I fully agree with the OPs point about how it should have been pulled back for a free kick!
ealingfox Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 The first one was never offside. Maybe his hand was in front of the defender but anything he could score with was bang in line. You're supposed to give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker anyway!
StanSP Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 The first one was never offside. Maybe his hand was in front of the defender but anything he could score with was bang in line. You're supposed to give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker anyway! Since when was that a rule? I'm sure it's any part of your body in an offside position deems the player as offside. As said, it was very tight and correct decision by the slightest of margins.
NewquayFox Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 Fao Notnowjohn, the advantage is usually left to the discression of the Ref, when assessing a Ref i always gave extra marks if he played it but pulled play back if no advantage was gained. Written in LOAF (Laws of official football) it states more or less what i said above, i was often accused of 'waiting for a call' when i played it without the arm movement so you cant bloody win with some players.... ;0/
NewquayFox Posted 22 January 2013 Posted 22 January 2013 Fao StsnSP, there are no rules in football only Laws..... ;0)
Jace Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 As an ex Ref heres my thoughts, if the Ref raised his arms to show advantage it usually lasts for 2 to 4 seconds and if no advantage is gained you would pull it back to the original offence, as the offside was in the same movement he should have given us the free kick, i didnt notice it at the time but if it was the first dissalowed goal Nugent wasnt offside but was for the second one. Who would be a Ref hey!!! I'm not suprised you missed it at the time mate being an ex ref!
Aus Fox Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Fao Notnowjohn, the advantage is usually left to the discression of the Ref, when assessing a Ref i always gave extra marks if he played it but pulled play back if no advantage was gained. Written in LOAF (Laws of official football) it states more or less what i said above, i was often accused of 'waiting for a call' when i played it without the arm movement so you cant bloody win with some players.... ;0/ Just to be picky law of association football (loaf)
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