Mike Oxlong Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Science evolves too. Some of today's theories will be tomorrow's fish and chip paper !
Jon the Hat Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 It always makes me giggle in these debates when people with no relevant education come out with lines like "I don't think we'll ever really know...." when what they mean is "I'm too stupid to understand this." The best and most brilliant minds in history are telling you evolution exists and offer up boundless evidence but you don't agree. Wow. Part of wisdom is accepting your own limitations. I don't understand, for example, quantum physics so you know what? I'm not going to tell Brian Cox I think he's wrong because I can't get my dumb head round his teachings. But for some reason, when it comes to a few select issues (evolution, creation, global warming, etc) we all think we're experts. Ludicrous. Most of us too dumb to have anything useful to say beyond "I'll go with the sum of scientific knowledge thanks" are keeping out of the details. Still if you want to start a thread about financial management of multinational companies I am definately your man.
Jon the Hat Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Pretty much the entire scientific world thinks global warming is happening. The industrially backed right wing news media may dispute whether or not it's happening but every credible scientific source is yelling "uh... We should probably take a few less planes, yknow, just to be sure." Ah hang on. You've gone an twisted the argument there. The global warming debate isn't simply about whether it is happening, although I believe there is plenty of evidence on both sides, the argument is about causation, of which there is mainly speculation. Personally I think we should always aim to become more efficient, less poluting and "greener" (god I hate that word) but I don't buy the causation argument or the burning platform.
Zingari Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 I thought he was Moses Or was it him the broke the evolutionary cycle with his cross-breeding. Yes that’s true, but Jesus was descended from Moses and was also the son of god , so naturally there’d be a family resemblance. God is bound to look a bit like Charlton Heston
The Doctor Posted 27 February 2013 Author Posted 27 February 2013 Ah hang on. You've gone an twisted the argument there. The global warming debate isn't simply about whether it is happening, although I believe there is plenty of evidence on both sides, the argument is about causation, of which there is mainly speculation. Personally I think we should always aim to become more efficient, less poluting and "greener" (god I hate that word) but I don't buy the causation argument or the burning platform. Not really, all the evidence stacks up on the globe warming - in particular the rather key part, world temperatures: However on the causation point there is still dispute. Hole in the ozone layer was definitely us - it's caused by CFC's - horrible compounds when exposed to UV light because they radicalise incredibly easy, however the cause increase in the temperature is still the point of contention.
Finnegan Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Ah hang on. You've gone an twisted the argument there. The global warming debate isn't simply about whether it is happening, although I believe there is plenty of evidence on both sides, the argument is about causation, of which there is mainly speculation. Personally I think we should always aim to become more efficient, less poluting and "greener" (god I hate that word) but I don't buy the causation argument or the burning platform. Sorry, what I genuinely intended to post was the right wing media may dispute it's our fault, not that it's happening. As my point is that everyone with a brain thinks it is, regardless of politics. When you rant on your phone on the loo you occasionally lose track of what you've written!
Zingari Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 TMI Finners !!! I find it quite amazing that scientists can’t agree on something as relatively simple as the causation of global warming , but nearly all sing off the same hymn sheet when it comes to something infinitely more complex .
Webbo Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 If all the predictions we've heard over the years about global warming were true we'd all be going to work in canoes by now.
Guest MattP Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Al that graph looks fairly consistent tbh, certainly doesn't look like some sort of concrete evidence that we have caused the increase.
Mike Oxlong Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 TMI Finners !!! I find it quite amazing that scientists can’t agree on something as relatively simple as the causation of global warming , but nearly all sing off the same hymn sheet when it comes to something infinitely more complex . WTF is TMI?
The Doctor Posted 27 February 2013 Author Posted 27 February 2013 Al that graph looks fairly consistent tbh, certainly doesn't look like some sort of concrete evidence that we have caused the increase. Aye, as I said it's evidence global warming is happening, but there's nothing significant either way to suggest we've caused it.
Webbo Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Aye, as I said it's evidence global warming is happening, but there's nothing significant either way to suggest we've caused it. Was happening. Didn't it stop in the late 90s?
Finnegan Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 If all the predictions we've heard over the years about global warming were true we'd all be going to work in canoes by now. No, if all the myths perpetuated by sensationalist media to sell stories were true you'd be going to work in canoes. The day after tomorrow was a work of fiction.
Webbo Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 No, if all the myths perpetuated by sensationalist media to sell stories were true you'd be going to work in canoes. The day after tomorrow was a work of fiction. There were plenty of scientific reports from experts predicting disasters that just haven't happened. Which goes to prove that; a) Experts aren't infallible. b) Are just as much vested interests as the energy companies.
MooseBreath Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 I think it's pretty clear that species evolve, question is why do they evolve?
Captain... Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 I think it's pretty clear that species evolve, question is why do they evolve? There is no 'why' for evolution to happen, unless you believe god is guiding it, it happens because it happens, for the same 'reason' the earth orbits the Sun. We can explain the science behind it but there is no greater meaning unless you want to get all religious.
The Doctor Posted 27 February 2013 Author Posted 27 February 2013 I think it's pretty clear that species evolve, question is why do they evolve? Random mutations occur in the genetics of a species (also replication errors like chromosomal crossovers) which change the phenotype of the animal (i.e. it's features), if these are beneficial, or in some cases just incredibly ****ing attractive then they're passed on to the next generation because they're selected for in breeding. Over time these changes to the gene pool rack up to the point where the species is incapable of breeding to produce fertile offspring with the former species - at which point we say they've evolved into a new species.
whoareyaaa Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 I think it's pretty clear that species evolve, question is why do they evolve? The question is how did they first evolve? that the million dollar question.
MooseBreath Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Random mutations occur in the genetics of a species (also replication errors like chromosomal crossovers) which change the phenotype of the animal (i.e. it's features), if these are beneficial, or in some cases just incredibly ****ing attractive then they're passed on to the next generation because they're selected for in breeding. Over time these changes to the gene pool rack up to the point where the species is incapable of breeding to produce fertile offspring with the former species - at which point we say they've evolved into a new species. Still not getting a why.
MooseBreath Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 There is no 'why' for evolution to happen, unless you believe god is guiding it, it happens because it happens, for the same 'reason' the earth orbits the Sun. We can explain the science behind it but there is no greater meaning unless you want to get all religious. There is no why that we know of. Doesn't mean there is no why.
Zingari Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 WTF is TMI? too much info ( we didn't need to know he was posting while dumping )
Zingari Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 I think it's pretty clear that species evolve, question is why do they evolve? and why do others not ?
Mike Oxlong Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 too much info ( we didn't need to know he was posting while dumping ) TFLMK
Trav Le Bleu Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Is conservationism essentially interfering with evolution? We are the dominant life force on the planet and if other species can't evolve fast enough to survive our rape and pillage then screw 'em! I'd also like to say re: "People blindly believing in creation." How many people who would say, "I believe in evolution," but when questioned would be able to give an answer beyond, "We came from monkeys." People believe in evolution from fear of wanting to be different, much the same as most people used to believe in creation. Your average man on the street would no more be able to explain his belief in evolution than some explaining his belief in creation. Or her for that matter .
danny. Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Is conservationism essentially interfering with evolution? We are the dominant life force on the planet and if other species can't evolve fast enough to survive our rape and pillage then screw 'em! I'd also like to say re: "People blindly believing in creation." How many people who would say, "I believe in evolution," but when questioned would be able to give an answer beyond, "We came from monkeys." People believe in evolution from fear of wanting to be different, much the same as most people used to believe in creation. Your average man on the street would no more be able to explain his belief in evolution than some explaining his belief in creation. Or her for that matter . Your average man on the street would no more be able to explain his belief in gravity than some explaining his belief in creation. Or her for that matter . Doesn't make it any less true.
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