Post Match - Birmingham 2-2...Let it begin...

[brockmyster]

Has the ref took his Birmingham top off yet?

Poor mistake from Nuge but let's not make him a scapegoat for how the season is panning out. Frustrating indeed, but tonight won't be solely what ends up more than likely costing us playoffs.

Im sorry but an error that big he deserves all the blame hes getting for this game, earning more a week than some people even get in a year he can take all the shit given to him as far as im concerned, if hes gonna make such an idiotic mistake

[Buzzell]

On to the next one boys, on to the next one...

[marbelladave]

Just in from the pub, first thoughts......

Birmingham were woeful, missing several of their better players they were relegation fodder. And you know what, we were very nearly as bad.......

We played our new 4-3-0-3 formation and it was laughable, every bit as bad as it sounds. Hoof from the back, three center forwards totally unsupported from midfield to chase and try and win the second ball, individually the did alright but as a team performance it is one of the worst of the season.

I have no doubt that many will be saying we played quite well as we were actually in front for much of the game but then most fans do not have a clue anyway.

Shame about Nugent's foul, no doubt he will be blamed for the result, but if we play such an unstructured game and rely on luck and thing falling for you has as been the case tonight, you have to live when they fall against you.

Two decent corners and the move that put King through were the only occasions we threatened but with Birmingham just as bad, it was always going to come down to luck. One time it went for us, one time it did not.......

Serves us right for not taking control of a game we should have won with some ease.......

[inckley fox]

Stop talking Bollocks. Nuges rush of blood was nothing to do with Pearsons tactics. I am not pro or anti NP but ffs think before you type.

I wasn't commenting on tactics. I was pointing out that it wasn't bad luck, moron. Which it wasn't. It was an appalling error.

And, as anybody who understands the slightest thing about football knows full well, managers are praised when players do things well, criticised when it goes wrong and costs them games. Why? Because, as I said, they are the people who assemble the squad, pick the players etc. etc. These are absolute basics.

Do we erase Pearson's credit for wins earlier in the season because we won courtesy of a moment of brilliance? No, because all goals come from a combination of error on one part, and excellence on the other. And, at the end of the day, the manager takes responsibility for the outcome at the end of the game. Surely you don't need this explaining for you.

Think while you read next time.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Im sorry but an error that big he deserves all the blame hes getting for this game, earning more a week than some people even get in a year he can take all the shit given to him as far as im concerned, if hes gonna make such an idiotic mistake

And what about the chance he put away to win us the game at borough for example? FFS you can not hate a player for 1 mistake except when it is Kermogant who was shit anyway.

[theessexfox]

Just in from the pub, first thoughts......

Birmingham were woeful, missing several of their better players they were relegation fodder. And you know what, we were very nearly as bad.......

We played our new 4-3-0-3 formation and it was laughable, every bit as bad as it sounds. Hoof from the back, three center forwards totally unsupported from midfield to chase and try and win the second ball, individually the did alright but as a team performance it is one of the worst of the season.

I have no doubt that many will be saying we played quite well as we were actually in front for much of the game but then most fans do not have a clue anyway.

Shame about Nugent's foul, no doubt he will be blamed for the result, but if we play such an unstructured game and rely on luck and thing falling for you has as been the case tonight, you have to live when they fall against you.

Two decent corners and the move that put King through were the only occasions we threatened but with Birmingham just as bad, it was always going to come down to luck. One time it went for us, one time it did not.......

Serves us right for not taking control of a game we should have won with some ease.......

Most of that is correct, however do you not think we created a LOT more chances than usual tonight?

[Matt]

All i'm saying is for the best part of the match we looked like the away team.

[Aus Fox]

Just stepping back from tonight for a moment.

Is there a team in worse form than us in the country from the start of March?

Stoke only have 5 points this yer

[Guest ttfn]

I have no doubt that many will be saying we played quite well as we were actually in front for much of the game but then most fans do not have a clue anyway.

Given that you have a lot of interesting stuff to say it is a shame you have to be quite so patronising and dismissive.

[Aus Fox]

Just stepping back from tonight for a moment.

Is there a team in worse form than us in the country from the start of March?

Stoke only have 5 points this year

[inckley fox]

Just in from the pub, first thoughts......

Birmingham were woeful, missing several of their better players they were relegation fodder. And you know what, we were very nearly as bad.......

We played our new 4-3-0-3 formation and it was laughable, every bit as bad as it sounds. Hoof from the back, three center forwards totally unsupported from midfield to chase and try and win the second ball, individually the did alright but as a team performance it is one of the worst of the season.

I have no doubt that many will be saying we played quite well as we were actually in front for much of the game but then most fans do not have a clue anyway.

Shame about Nugent's foul, no doubt he will be blamed for the result, but if we play such an unstructured game and rely on luck and thing falling for you has as been the case tonight, you have to live when they fall against you.

Two decent corners and the move that put King through were the only occasions we threatened but with Birmingham just as bad, it was always going to come down to luck. One time it went for us, one time it did not.......

Serves us right for not taking control of a game we should have won with some ease.......

This is a very important point too for those suggesting that Pearson's part in today's performance was nothing short of impeccable. We huffed and puffed a lot, but really weren't all that good.

[paulsherwood1]

Is this actually a fact?

Yes

[brockmyster]

And what about the chance he put away to win us the game at borough for example? FFS you can not hate a player for 1 mistake except when it is Kermogant who was shit anyway.

Where at any point did i say he deserves hate or i hate him? I merely said he deserves to take the flack for this one game. Although you did manage to flaw your entire argument with that lovely bit of contradiction at the end there.

[Kitchandro]

All eleven of them are 'individual players' and 99% of goals come from errors, to some degree, of players.

Managers are judged on the performances of their players. When a moment of brilliance wins a game they take the credit, when an error costs them they must take their share of the blame. These, for me, are the basics of football management.

But there are errors and there are errors like the one Nugent made. They are not the same thing. There are players who make errors because they are shit players, or because they are being managed wrongly.

But there is nothing the manager can do (aside from future telling) to stop Nugent doing that. There is no way he could have forseen it.

Look, I'm happy for Nigel to take the blame for this run, as I've said time, and time and time again. But this one thing in isolation cannot be blamed on Pearson. It just cannot.

Only people who have got it in for Pearson would blame him for this. If it wasn't for the previous 13 games, nobody would blame him for it. Blaming him for this incident which caused us to drop 2 points is merely a product of the run we've been on.

Seperate the two issues, please.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

I wasn't commenting on tactics. I was pointing out that it wasn't bad luck, moron. Which it wasn't. It was an appalling error.

And, as anybody who understands the slightest thing about football knows full well, managers are praised when players do things well, criticised when it goes wrong and costs them games. Why? Because, as I said, they are the people who assemble the squad, pick the players etc. etc. These are absolute basics.

Do we erase Pearson's credit for wins earlier in the season because we won courtesy of a moment of brilliance? No, because all goals come from a combination of error on one part, and excellence on the other. And, at the end of the day, the manager takes responsibility for the outcome at the end of the game. Surely you don't need this explaining for you.

Think while you read next time.

And if he had played Knocky instead and he had done that it would have been his fault too then presumably? You are talking absolute bollocks.

[RonnieTodger]

You just know it's coming all the time. I almost thought we were going to win it, and I was thinking this is the best feeling of all season because we had looked to overcome this horrendous run. But that (at the minute) useless twat Nugent ****ed it up. Whether it was in the box or not, he was a ****ing moron for doing that. In fairness to the ref, I thought it was a penalty at first glance.

**** SAKE! Absolutely gutted

[theessexfox]

Yes

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Where at any point did i say he deserves hate or i hate him? I merely said he deserves to take the flack for this one game. Although you did manage to flaw your entire argument with that lovely bit of contradiction at the end there.

That bit at the end was supposed to be a joke.

[theessexfox]

This is a very important point too for those suggesting that Pearson's part in today's performance was nothing short of impeccable. We huffed and puffed a lot, but really weren't all that good.

I agree, but it would have still been enough for 3 points had something not happened...

[Kitchandro]

I wasn't commenting on tactics. I was pointing out that it wasn't bad luck, moron. Which it wasn't. It was an appalling error.

And, as anybody who understands the slightest thing about football knows full well, managers are praised when players do things well, criticised when it goes wrong and costs them games. Why? Because, as I said, they are the people who assemble the squad, pick the players etc. etc. These are absolute basics.

Do we erase Pearson's credit for wins earlier in the season because we won courtesy of a moment of brilliance? No, because all goals come from a combination of error on one part, and excellence on the other. And, at the end of the day, the manager takes responsibility for the outcome at the end of the game. Surely you don't need this explaining for you.

Think while you read next time.

How can you say that? That is not always the case. Sometimes they are caused by one side just fvcking up, or one side just doing something insanely brilliant that no right minded person would blame on the defence (Alan Hansen is a different matter).

And sometimes, one person just fvcks up. Your theories make sense on a forum but they do not always hold water in real life situations. Life, and football, is not that structured.

[brockmyster]

That bit at the end was supposed to be a joke.

You cant tell with some of the idiots points made on here

[DanTheFox07]

And if he had played Knocky instead and he had done that it would have been his fault too then presumably? You are talking absolute bollocks.

including me, you have no tried to disprove 3 opinion's that Pearson got his tactics wrong with no evidence to back yourself up with apart from:- "You are talking absolute bollocks"

[inckley fox]

But there are errors and there are errors like the one Nugent made. They are not the same thing. There are players who make errors because they are shit players, or because they are being managed wrongly.

But there is nothing the manager can do (aside from future telling) to stop Nugent doing that. There is no way he could have forseen it.

Look, I'm happy for Nigel to take the blame for this run, as I've said time, and time and time again. But this one thing in isolation cannot be blamed on Pearson. It just cannot.

Only people who have got it in for Pearson would blame him for this. If it wasn't for the previous 13 games, nobody would blame him for it. Blaming him for this incident which caused us to drop 2 points is merely a product of the run we've been on.

Seperate the two issues, please.

You have made two excellent points, that (a) Pearson takes responsibility for the poor run and (b) this was an error of exceptional proportions, which reflects more on the player than his manager. I agree entirely.

However the issues simply aren't separate. Regardless of the extent of the error, or the refereeing decision, or the individual brilliance of a goal that brings it about, the result is still the responsibility of the manager. And, seeing as results are always decided by the aforementioned - to some extent or other - Pearson must still have his portion of the blame.

[Aus Fox]

Yes

Have you seen how many points middlesbourgh have dropped in the last 5 minutes?

[Guest Basildon Fox]

including me, you have no tried to disprove 3 opinion's that Pearson got his tactics wrong with no evidence to back yourself up with apart from:- "You are talking absolute bollocks"

Explain this further. I would like a good laugh...