Frankie Z Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 So how do you get around the embargo ? And do you really think your current side is good enough ? It's not necessarily an embargo, we just need permission from the football league to sign players, it's a nothing punishment really. 1) If we're up I'm assuming the football league will have no control over who we sign. 2) The PL won't want to degrade their reputation as a top European league so there won't be any embargos on us from them it's almost guaranteed really. 3) If we stay down, the embargo is a financial one. Considering we can afford to sign the loanees on a free transfer it's not going to be much of an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 1) assuming is not a good position and I am not an expert on the the rules and to whom they apply 2) see above 3) from what you have stated you beleive that the loanees can and will sign for you of their own free will. So being a free agent is irrelevant ? They will have little or no interest in other offers. And if they are not free agents then who will deterhmine ther fee due, again are players not going to be interested in other offers ? From what I have picked up on the media I was under the impression that there is a transfer embargo which will last untill the end of the transfer window at the start of the 12/14 season and players can only be signed with the consent of the league. A figure of 13 players left has been suggested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 I think its case of wait and see - who knows what the FA/FL will do - they change rules and regulations each week it seems. The players are supposed to be keen to sign pernament deals with us like forestieri has but yes its probably fair to say that is certain given they are modern day footballers no doubt with agents always looking for the better deal! I certainly wouldn't want to pin all our hopes on the likes of Vydra and Abdi joining..particulary if we don't go up - afterall you are right to say they and the Pozzos might get better offers from elsewhere. We will have to look elsewhere I am sure as we did with Fitz Hall and Almunia. Some of the loan players aren't that great anyway and would be a total waste of space to keep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 Watford fans Probably more deluded than Leeds fans. You're a nothing club, always have been always will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_w Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 Watford fans Probably more deluded than Leeds fans. You're a nothing club, always have been always will be. Pot Kettle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 Watford fans Probably more deluded than Leeds fans. You're a nothing club, always have been always will be. What that aimed at my comment or generally becaue of the 3 Watford trolls on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 It's good to see you are not deluding yourselves, see you at Wembely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Z Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 It's good to see you are not deluding yourselves, see you at Wembely FA Cup semi final? Bit optimistic by your clubs standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambridgefox Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 What that aimed at my comment or generally becaue of the 3 Watford trolls on here? To be fair,you have always come over as a decent bloke,its unfortunate that a fellow supporter has chosen a name similar to yours,so you might get some flak not meant for you.Over 800 posts and always fine,don't worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambridgefox Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 FA Cup semi final? Bit optimistic by your clubs standards. Change your name to Frankie Zzzzzzzzzzzzz,because you've bored me.You and the other children from Watford are getting a decent Watford poster Super_horns some undue flak,if your quick you can get down to the Legostore in the Harlequin for a play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grewks Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 FA Cup semi final? Bit optimistic by your clubs standards. Well....when you have actually won major honours like ourselves you do become optimistic. Whereas fans of clubs who haven't won any just become deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grewks Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 It's not necessarily an embargo, we just need permission from the football league to sign players, it's a nothing punishment really. 1) If we're up I'm assuming the football league will have no control over who we sign. 2) The PL won't want to degrade their reputation as a top European league so there won't be any embargos on us from them it's almost guaranteed really. 3) If we stay down, the embargo is a financial one. Considering we can afford to sign the loanees on a free transfer it's not going to be much of an issue. you are aware that the new FA rules regarding owners owning more than one club, is likely to result in players unable to move to each other. Therefore you will not be able to sign players like abdi, vydra etc. Unless your owner decides to.... a) Sell Udinese b) Sell watford So tell me.....how do you intend to sign any of these players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 That is a new one I've not heard but if your right then fair enough. As I say we'll have to see - not convinced like some of my fans most will want to stay - certainly if we don't go up and it would be dangerous for us to rely on a number of loan players. This season we've had too many anyway TBH - some have just be squad fillers. We've probably only used a core of 4/5 in the starting line-up which is the accepted domestic number I believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 That is a new one I've not heard but if your right then fair enough. As I say we'll have to see - not convinced like some of my fans most will want to stay - certainly if we don't go up. Who Is the most highly rated out of the lot of them? I'm guessing Vydra? Abdi and forrestieri seem good too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 Who Is the most highly rated out of the lot of them? I'm guessing Vydra? Abdi and forrestieri seem good too He is the only one who has signed a pernament deal. You are right with the other 2 and at the back Ekstrand. Casseti is very useful and uses his experience well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grewks Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 That is a new one I've not heard but if your right then fair enough. As I say we'll have to see - not convinced like some of my fans most will want to stay - certainly if we don't go up. Personally cannot see the likes of Abdi wanting to stay, as he played the majority of games in Serie a last year for Udinese. Maybe Vydra, but why would Udinese want to let go of a good young player?? But like i said, it is likely that the FA are looking to refuse transfers between clubs owned by the same owner, hence they have place you under a transfer embargo, and it may even go as far as blocking the Forrestieri (?) transfer. Don't get me wrong, im not some 'jealous' fan, i am just saying it as i see it. If it turns out you are no longer able to sign players from Udinese and Granada i can see your side really struggling next year, whether in this league or the premier league. Do you think your owners would pull out? After all, it is clear they intend to use Watford as a feeder club to promote the talent of the other clubs they own. They do not seem the sort of owners who would be willing to spend a lot to rebuild your side next season if they cannot use their already owned players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 But like i said, it is likely that the FA are looking to refuse transfers between clubs owned by the same owner, hence they have place you under a transfer embargo, and it may even go as far as blocking the Forrestieri (?) transfer. That was all to do with Bassini and what he did with regard to money gained from the Danny Graham sale though so the current owners weren't involved in that situation. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21829894 Your right to say Vydra will attract interest elsewhere and his agent has been touting him around..also to point out they aren't big spenders and do look to develop talent and sell it on rather than spend millions so I guess a lack of loan players would concern them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouseFox Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 Whoever that right back with the stupid hair was on Friday was comfortably the best player on the pitch. Anya I think he's called. Is he on loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 Yes from Granada though. Born in Scotland with Romanian and Iranian parents! Is very quck but not really a defender and crossing can be a bit suspect - like Pudli on the other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 Whoever that right back with the stupid hair was on Friday was comfortably the best player on the pitch. Anya I think he's called. Is he on loan? Yup, never seen Dyer not do someone for pace before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouseFox Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 Yes from Granada though. Born in Scotland with Romanian and Iranian parents! Is very quck but not really a defender and crossing can be a bit suspect - like Pudli on the other side. Yeah just googled him. Started out at Wycombe and Northampton! Had an interesting looking career haha. Was very impressed with him on Friday, can't say I've seen him play ever before though so I'll take your word for it. You looking to keep him or is he wanting to stay in Spain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 No idea - all these players have their own agents so whilst there might be good intentions on the Pozzos to ensure these guys sign pernament deals (although I agree with the point made that surely Udinese would want somebody like Vydra/Abdi themselves..) we all know what those greedy little money grabbers can do to a players mind! There has been the usual PR of "we like it hear and its enjoyable"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 If my life was so empty I still felt the need to troll an opposition's forum four days after winning a game of football, I'd be hooking up the hosepipe to my exhaust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchandro Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 I was wondering why this thread was still top of the page.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 30 April 2013 Share Posted 30 April 2013 I was wondering why this thread was still top of the page.... Sorry - it is partly my fault too for answering the questions! Maybe somebody ought to close it and we can move on. Be sods law that we meet in the play-offs now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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