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Retrospective Action Rule To Be Reviewed

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The rule needs reviewing, although I'd only like to see retrospective bans bought in for absloute leg breakers (much like the incident in the article) or diving.

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Is anything being done about Jonny Evans punching a WBA player in the face? Probably not i would guess. If Suarez or tevez had done it the back pages would have gone into a meltdown

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I don't really want them to do this. The media frenzy around dodgy tackles like the mcmannaman one will invevitably prejudice the panel. In fact it is probably a response to the medias faux outrage over such incidents that they are considering this at all. If they have to do it I really hope intent will be one of the criteria taken into account

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The other problem is that if Refs know that there's a panel that can/could make retrospective decisions there's a chance that they'd 'leave' big decisions for them to decide on and 'miss' things like penalties/reds etc. 

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I do think we need it for certain things to help refs out, I think they'd welcome it as it helps them out in the long run.

 

I do worry though if it's there (like someone else said) refs might leave it to them. You see it in rugby quite a lot - the video ref was originally only for tries when the ref was uncertain but now pretty much any try with even the slightest doubt the ref unnecessarily goes to the video ref. 

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The other problem is that if Refs know that there's a panel that can/could make retrospective decisions there's a chance that they'd 'leave' big decisions for them to decide on and 'miss' things like penalties/reds etc.

Or if players know they won't get away with stuff on a technicality they won't attempt it. Works both ways

Posted

The thing is though it's a two way street. The FA/other relevant bodies are always striving for training/information/ruling improvements - the fact of the matter is that in any case where something dodgy happens there is the ref and the player/team. They should also be working to improve sportsmanship in players. 

 

The fact is that both parties need to work harder to both come towards a centre point. 

 

For example: Suarez Mansfield Handball incident.

 

Brendan Rodgers:

 

"It's not Luis's job to do that [own up to it/ask for it to not be given]. It's not been deliberate as it's pushed up and hit his hand. It's up to the officials to decide that. There's no doubt it was handball, but the referee and the officials ruled it wasn't deliberate.I spoke to the fourth official when it was given because I couldn't see and he said it was [handball] so I can only assume they thought it wasn't deliberate.So obviously it was unfortunate for Mansfield and lucky for us that we got the goal."

 

But equally Liverpool could have let them have a goal back. The responsibility is not just in the official's hands; there's 22 (supposedly) grown men out there, backed by many support staff, millions of pounds and thousands of fans. It'd be great if football could have more sportsmanship like Tennis etc. 

Posted

It needs to change but in the article it mentions Mcmanamans challenge, which i don't see what all the fuss was about. IMO he got the ball then couldn't pull back, the fact they kept showing it in slow motion didn't help him at full speed it was an ok challenge, plus haidara wasn't even badly injured. If anything the newcastle staff were in the wrong with their comments and constant which hunt of a young player in one of his first games. I know its not to relevant my rant but i had to say it.

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It definitely needs changing. I don't expect it to lead to perfect decision making every time but the situation they've got now where they actually can't do anything about it is ridiculous.

 

The most annoying thing is someone being booked for a leg breaker, but because he was booked for it they can't change it to a red. Yet if he hadn't been booked he can be given a red. It's stupid.

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It needs to change but in the article it mentions Mcmanamans challenge, which i don't see what all the fuss was about. IMO he got the ball then couldn't pull back, the fact they kept showing it in slow motion didn't help him at full speed it was an ok challenge, plus haidara wasn't even badly injured. If anything the newcastle staff were in the wrong with their comments and constant which hunt of a young player in one of his first games. I know its not to relevant my rant but i had to say it.

 

I agree with you on the McManaman one, it was an attempt to get the ball that was dangerous, but it was not a deliberate attempt to hurt someone decisions like that need to be made on the pitch, you over analyse them and it can look a lot worse than it was at the time, and they will always be a part of the game as people play on the very limits and a split second can be the difference between winning the ball and breaking a leg.

 

Retrospective action needs to be used to combat the cheating, diving and sly little kicks and digs that the ref misses as that is what is ruining games.

Posted

I agree with you on the McManaman one, it was an attempt to get the ball that was dangerous, but it was not a deliberate attempt to hurt someone decisions like that need to be made on the pitch, you over analyse them and it can look a lot worse than it was at the time, and they will always be a part of the game as people play on the very limits and a split second can be the difference between winning the ball and breaking a leg.

 

Retrospective action needs to be used to combat the cheating, diving and sly little kicks and digs that the ref misses as that is what is ruining games.

:blink: That is already in place...

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:blink: That is already in place...

It's not, retrospective action is only used for serious incidents, not minor things like diving, or general unsportsmanlike behaviour.

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