Guest MattP Posted 30 May 2013 Posted 30 May 2013 Are you actually being serious suggesting David Beckham in a some sort of coaching or managerial role?
Captain... Posted 30 May 2013 Posted 30 May 2013 Are you actually being serious suggesting David Beckham in a some sort of coaching or managerial role? He would be more the figurehead and Neville would be the tactics and motivator. It started as joke Beckham for manager, but after another limp performance we are faced with the prospect of another foreign manager, Pardew, Hughton, Allardyce, or Redknapp as the best English managers. I really do think that we need to do something different to change the attitude to England, by the press, the fans, the players, and I believe Beckham could actually do it, but as you rightly point out he would be rubbish tactically and from a training point of view, hence Gary Neville as co manager.
Guest MattP Posted 30 May 2013 Posted 30 May 2013 Get a good manager, no winning national side has ever needed a 'figurehead'. The Argies tried it with some 100x better and 1000x smarter than Beckham and that didn't work. I couldn't care less where he is from. If you want a good English manager start employing them in the top flightl, unfortunately the Premier League is too big for that.
Captain... Posted 30 May 2013 Posted 30 May 2013 Get a good manager, no winning national side has ever needed a 'figurehead'. The Argies tried it with some 100x better and 1000x smarter than Beckham and that didn't work. I couldn't care less where he is from. If you want a good English manager start employing them in the top flightl, unfortunately the Premier League is too big for that. You mean Maradona? Not really comparable as he was nuts, but it a caused a stir, got people interested again. Plenty of ex players have taken the national job with no experience, Klinsmann, Rijkaard, van Basten, Dunga, off the top of my head. Of those potentially available I think Neville would do a decent job and he is well respected in the media, but I think pairing him with Beckham would really raise the English game on all levels, we need to do something and it is not the fact that we don't look like we will win anything, it's the fact that it looks like nobody cares. Beckham may make it into a bit of a circus, but fvck it a circus is much better than the tedium we have had to put up with recently. I'm sure that working with Beckham would help attract some of the best coaches too, doesn't matter if they are foreign because Becks will be in charge.
Kitchandro Posted 30 May 2013 Posted 30 May 2013 Thing is Matt, the players seem to treat qualifiers with the same disdain they do friendlies these days. I really think they struggle to motivate themselves - why else would they be making such hard work of qualifying from what is really an absolutely piss easy group. Makes me laugh when after the game Stevie G is describing Montenegro as if they're fvcking Brazil. England seem unable to play with any style or urgency whatever the occasion. Spot on. Even when they get to tournaments they're all thinking of excuses for why they're not going to do well before they've started. I think if anything they're afraid they'll be shown up everytime they play in them. I can't remember the last time I saw an empassioned and exciting England performance, as I said in another thread, at a major tournament it was probably the group stage of Euro 2004 when Rooney was in his pomp. We do need a new kind of manager, whether that's someone like Neville I'm not sure, but things need a shake up. We have never had the best players in the world contrary to what some might say, but I'd love to go back to the kind of team we had under Hoddle, who all seemed to give 100%. I watched the Argentina game from France 98 recently and to say the attitude and quality is a chasm of difference to the last few years is a major understatement.
Fox92 Posted 30 May 2013 Posted 30 May 2013 Turned it off after 30 minutes. Boring as, just like most England friendlies are. Pleased for Ashley Cole though, he has been World Class for many many seasons as well.
jonthefox Posted 30 May 2013 Posted 30 May 2013 I left on 80 minutes. Earliest iv'e ever left a game.
ealingfox Posted 30 May 2013 Posted 30 May 2013 I stopped watching England friendlies two years ago and a scan through this yet again confirms I am not missing much. You are essentially vindicated but then again we have beaten Spain and Brazil in the last year or so...
Guest MattP Posted 30 May 2013 Posted 30 May 2013 You are essentially vindicated but then again we have beaten Spain and Brazil in the last year or so... Doesn't mean anything to me though unless it's the real thing. And Brazil are utter shite now anyway, even make a case for them being the fourth strongest in SA now behind Uruguay, Argentina and Colombia.
MonarchFox Posted 30 May 2013 Posted 30 May 2013 3rd england game in a row i've actually fell sleep while watching
purpleronnie Posted 30 May 2013 Posted 30 May 2013 Doesn't mean anything to me though unless it's the real thing. And Brazil are utter shite now anyway, even make a case for them being the fourth strongest in SA now behind Uruguay, Argentina and Colombia. True, plus we seem to play at the same standard in friendlies as we do in competitons, other teams are able to raise their game.
Guest MattP Posted 30 May 2013 Posted 30 May 2013 True, plus we seem to play at the same standard in friendlies as we do in competitons, other teams are able to raise their game. Sure it was the Kaiser who said 'England couldn't play friendlies', sure he meant it in that exact way you have said.
Super_horns Posted 30 May 2013 Posted 30 May 2013 Never going to be a great game. We might have been better playing a few guys who haven't been in the side before to give them a go. I suspect a few had their minds elsewhere or worried about getting injured before the Brazil game.
Guest MattP Posted 11 June 2013 Posted 11 June 2013 He only took the job so he and Bernstein could tour the Jewish quarters of Poland at the Euro's and take the squad to Treblinka, I'm amazed he is still in the job now. Something must have gone wrong with whoever was taking over after. I was half joking with this but Roy and David are excelling themselves by swanning round Israel now on the FA's money.
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