Guest Col city fan Posted 25 June 2014 Posted 25 June 2014 Fed up of teams not looking into their academies. I know Ferguson spent money, more than what people like to think actually, but at least he didn't completely ignore the academy at Manchester United. Arsenal have done well to bring a few through, and in more recent times, Liverpool and Everton have brought a couple through. It's always nice to see young players get into the first team, even from a neutral point of view. But Manchester City and Chelsea don't seem to do it, it's them in particular I find, that are quicker to just look abroad. And I'm amazed with City because they pump so much money into the local area, and Evening News up here have just reported they've signed a contract to build houses in the area. Even Gary Neville commented "when was the last time Chelsea brought a player through?" towards the latter end of the Premier League season on Sky. I made the point last season. Chelsea seem to be universally loathed whereas Man City are somehow liked because they used to be a 'real club' (whatever that means). They arent now. They are completely mercenary, don't bring through any of their youth at all (MC will tell me if Im wrong) and buy whoever they want, whenever they want. Their sweetie shop approach to squad assembly is as bad as Chelsea's and I think its damaging the game. They have and are regenerating that whole area of Manc though, which is to be applauded.
Guest MattP Posted 25 June 2014 Posted 25 June 2014 Managers can't develop youth anymore, they are under far too much pressure to win games instantly. That means signings straight away who have already developed. Look at some of our own fans with Nigel last year, some wanted him sacked and most others agreed he was out of a job he didn't go up.
SystonFox Posted 25 June 2014 Posted 25 June 2014 Hold on. Harry Redknapp is slagging off the FA for not developing the English game enough? The same Harry Redknapp who will purchase any past it player going. ****s sake.
Stadt Posted 25 June 2014 Posted 25 June 2014 Hold on. Harry Redknapp is slagging off the FA for not developing the English game enough? The same Harry Redknapp who will purchase any past it player going. ****s sake.He develops English agents
act smiley Posted 25 June 2014 Posted 25 June 2014 Both Manchester City and Chelsea have had some success with the Arsenal-style approach of signing promising 16-year-olds that have then gone on to success (albeit often following moves elsewhere, like Scott Sinclair).If you look at the clubs that the current England squad came from, there's a huge variety there. I don't see why the focus should be on making sure the top-4 bring through all the talent; it should be about upping the overall level and making sure that when players are ready for the first team they're given a chance, wherever they are - the problem is the risk-averse nature of things, like Matt mentions.Of the current England squad, here's where they came through ( U16 / First senior appearances). While Man City do match Arsenal and Man Utd on 1, if you look at the top, it's teams that have are in a position to actually play the players that bring through a large number. I don't see why adjusting the system to enable stockpiling to be more valid should be the focus, rather than reducing the fear-of-failure that leads to short term thinking and nobody getting a chance. Club: Yth Snr Debut Southampton: 3 3 Everton: 2 2 West Ham: 2 2 Liverpool: 2 * 2 ** Shrewsbury: 1 1 Wigan: 1 1 Aston Villa: 1 1 Sheffield Utd: 1 1 Arsenal: 1 1 Warwick: 1 1 Maidstone: 1 1 Sunderland: 1 1 Blackburn: 1 1 Leeds: 1 1 Manchester Utd: 1 1 Manchester City: 1 1 Newcastle Utd: 1 1 QPR: 1 0 * Blackpool: 0 1 ** * Raheem Sterling was signed from QPRs youth team for £600,000, aged 15. ** Lambert was released by Liverpool at 16 & signed for Blackpool Looking at Wikipedia's "other recent callups" section, the top teams do come out slightly better, but not to the extent where it makes sense to put them at the centre of everything.
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 June 2014 Posted 26 June 2014 He develops English agents Poor ol Arry..some of you will try to get him into any thread you can in a derisory way. It's pathetic really. I don't mean to be churlish, but it really is.
Harry - LCFC Posted 26 June 2014 Posted 26 June 2014 Poor ol Arry..some of you will try to get him into any thread you can in a derisory way. It's pathetic really. I don't mean to be churlish, but it really is. I think you're just going to have to accept that Redknapp is going to be the butt of quite a few jokes on this forum. People want to have characters they can give a bit of stick to as a bit of a laugh. There's probably a few chaps out there who you like to poke fun at from time to time.
ozleicester Posted 26 June 2014 Posted 26 June 2014 Nobody should be allowed to comment on this whole English players/Premier League/national team situation before reading this first. got this on my tablet..i really must stop refreshing FT and read the bloody thing...hope its not too dry and boring
Steven Posted 29 June 2014 Posted 29 June 2014 Outgoing Football Association chairman David Bernstein believes there is a "desperate need" to increase the number of English Premier League players. Bernstein, 69, who steps down in July, said only 30% of players in the top flight were eligible for England compared to more than 50% in Germany. He said: "The number of English players in the Premier League and the Football League is a really important matter. "We desperately need to increase the pool of real quality players." Bernstein, who has been forced to relinquish his post when he reaches 70 under FA rules, said work was already under way to address the problem. He will be replaced by former BBC director general Greg Dyke, 66, who stressed asimilar need for more young English Premier League players last week. Bernstein, who was appointed in 2011,added: "We have this number of around 30% and in Germany it is more than 50% and that 20% is a lot of players. "All the work we are doing, such as in youth development, is aimed at doing that over the next few years and it's great to see some very good players coming through now such as Jack Wilshere. There are some coming through but we need many more." Meanwhile Bernstein expressed his confidence that, under manager Roy Hodgson, England would qualify for the World Cup in Brazil next year. Hodgson's men are currently second in their qualifying group, two points behind Montenegro after six matches. Bernstein said: "It is desperately important we are in those World Cups and Euro Championships. We have done OK in qualification so far, we are not first but we have games ahead that are definitely winnable. They are good sides, this is a tough group. "I am very proud we brought in Roy Hodgson. It is great to get an English manager and I think we got the right English manager. He is great to work with, I enjoy working with him, I have full support for him and I think the spirit we have engendered within the England set-up is very good. "I believe we are moving in the right direction and I am sure Roy will deliver the goods." New Football Association chairman Greg Dyke says ensuring there are more young English players in Premier League first teams is one of his biggest challenges. Former Brentford chairman Dyke, 65, takes over the role from David Bernstein on 13 July. He arrives in the job at a time when the number of English youngsters in the Premier League is falling. "A lot of coaches I talk to tell me there is a lot of talent out there, but they can't get through," he said. Percentage of domestic players in European leagues (2012-13)Spain: 61% France: 60% Germany: 47% Italy: 46% England: 36% Source: Opta "That is going to be one of the big challenges. How do we get talented kids, properly coached, into the top level of English football?" English players make up 36% of those playing in the top flight, while in Spain's La Liga 61% of players are native to the country. The figure is 60% in France's Ligue 1, 47% in the German Bundesliga, which provided both this season's Champions League finalists, and 46% in Italy's Serie A. Dyke, 65, told BBC Radio 5 live: "What I recognise is that we have a league system, particularly at Premier League level, where the insecurity of managers is such that: why take the chance on a kid where you can bring someone else in from Croatia, an experienced player who you know won't make the same mistakes that kids inevitably make? "That seems to me a great challenge." Dyke, who is a former Manchester United director, was also a director of London Weekend Television and involved in the deal to set up the Premier League in 1992. But he is concerned that the top flight is not geared to helping the England national team, which has not reached a semi-final of a major tournament since 1996. "I was around when the Premier League was set up [but] I'm not sure it was set up to improve the England team," he added. "It was set up to improve the finances of the top clubs, which in some ways it has done but the money goes straight through. It's become like the movie business where there is a lot of income but it all goes to the talent. "There is nothing wrong with that except the process has distorted the situation, and now we have a situation where English football, by and large at the top level, is owned overseas, is managed by people from overseas and played by people from overseas. "It's turned it into a brilliant league, but it does give a problem with the English team." Here is the root cause. English players are priced out of the market. Alan Pardew suggests English players out of Newcastle's reachhttp://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/9365528/transfer-news-alan-pardew-suggests-english-players-out-of-newcastles-reach
Danno Posted 29 June 2014 Posted 29 June 2014 Too many average foreign players in the Premier League for me.
MC Prussian Posted 29 June 2014 Posted 29 June 2014 Too many average English players in the Premier League for me. That's probably closer to the truth. I get the sense that the foreign players actually help the English ones look better in PL games than they actually are - they're profiting immensely from the foreign talent during matches.
Fox Ulike Posted 3 July 2014 Posted 3 July 2014 I wonder if the real problem is that English players rarely choose to try to improve themselves by playing in foreign leagues. The real advantage Germany have is not that they have more home-based players to choose from - but that they have significantly more players who have gained experience playing in other European leagues: Ozil, Mertesacker, Khedira, Klose, Pololski, Schurrle. This must surely give them an advantage when it comes to playing in international tournaments over the likes of Rooney and Gerrard who have never really stepped outside their 'comfort zones'. It’s a similar story for Holland, Brazil and Argentina. Teams greatly enhanced by foreign-based players. Watching Rooney in this year’s WC it’s clear he hasn’t really progressed very much as a player in the last four years. Maybe a move to Inter or Barca four years ago would have turned him into the World Class player he threatened to become...
Beliall Posted 3 July 2014 Posted 3 July 2014 I wonder if the real problem is that English players rarely choose to try to improve themselves by playing in foreign leagues. The real advantage Germany have is not that they have more home-based players to choose from - but that they have significantly more players who have gained experience playing in other European leagues: Ozil, Mertesacker, Khedira, Klose, Pololski, Schurrle. This must surely give them an advantage when it comes to playing in international tournaments over the likes of Rooney and Gerrard who have never really stepped outside their 'comfort zones'. It’s a similar story for Holland, Brazil and Argentina. Teams greatly enhanced by foreign-based players. Watching Rooney in this year’s WC it’s clear he hasn’t really progressed very much as a player in the last four years. Maybe a move to Inter or Barca four years ago would have turned him into the World Class player he threatened to become... Spot on. Look what bale did within a year. Rooney would be truly world class now if he had gone to spain.
Manwell Pablo Posted 9 July 2014 Posted 9 July 2014 They don't stay in the Prem out of choice they aren't bought because they cost so much. Imagine a foreign team signing Lalana for 25 million
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