5waller5 Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 What this kind of person... "Especially in regards to his man-management and leadership skills, he is the best manager I have played under. Nigel’s focus to win the next game is admirable and the spirit he creates exceptional. He treats players like humans and not like a product you buy in the supermarket." Oh yeah that's Berner on Pearson. Wow ..... Is there a single defence of NP that doesn't hark back 3 years?
5waller5 Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 This is football, not war. This is not about survival, this is about a sport many of us just happen to care deeply about. How about showing some self-initiative instead - always blaming it on the "lack of leaders" is an argument that comes across as slightly stale and bland. Ask 32000 to show self initiative and you'll get 32000 different results ...... get one leader and you've got 32000 people pointing in the same direction. The club is leaderless.
Babylon Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Wow ..... Is there a single defence of NP that doesn't hark back 3 years? Actually March 2012. And what does it matter when it was written, at the end of the day that's the opinion of someone who actually knows the bloke and has worked with him, in fact that was someone who had just been told he had no future at the club. Not someone on an internet forum who presumes to know everything about him.
5waller5 Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Actually March 2012. And what does it matter when it was written, at the end of the day that's the opinion of someone who actually knows the bloke and has worked with him, in fact that was someone who had just been told he had no future at the club. Not someone on an internet forum who presumes to know everything about him. Well that's it then point proved. I'm right behind Nige now ..... a year and a half ago a player he signed said something nice about him.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Okay, dear DT. In this thread alone, you used the words baffoon numpty fool crap idiot ridiculous stupid tosser to describe Pearson or the people defending him against the hate brigade. Other honourable mentions by some of your companions include: twat Hitler pig-headed immature weak clown useless coco I mean, I'm all up for it to dig out as much evidence as I can. Some of the older members on here will remember the ways I exposed another woman for who she really was a couple of years back. They know that I can and will do it. If you give me final permission, I'm more than happy to prove once and for all what kind of a sad individual you really are. It is easy to pick individual words out, as you well know, without seeing the post replied to, and how the full response from myself read. I could do the same to you, but it would only drag me down to level, which I would rather not do. As I have said elsewhere. I will respond in kind to the way I am addressed. That is only right. So stop being petty, there's a good chap. As for the last paragraph, I would merely respond by saying that you do not know me as a person, only as a poster, which is entirely different. You come across to me as a puerile and sad poster, but then I don't know you as a person.
MC Prussian Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Well that's it then point proved. I'm right behind Nige now ..... a year and a half ago a player he signed said something nice about him. Well, on the other hand, it's hard to find a player who has something terrible to say about him. Unless you can point that particular individual out to me...
MC Prussian Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 It is easy to pick individual words out, as you well know, without seeing the post replied to, and how the full response from myself read. I could do the same to you, but it would only drag me down to level, which I would rather not do. As I have said elsewhere. I will respond in kind to the way I am addressed. That is only right. So stop being petty, there's a good chap. As for the last paragraph, I would merely respond by saying that you do not know me as a person, only as a poster, which is entirely different. You come across to me as a puerile and sad poster, but then I don't know you as a person. I don't know you as a person, either. But the main difference between the two of us is that I hardly employ harsh and ridiculous names and terms in order to describe somebody that I don't like. You ought to work on your vocabulary. Maybe you are a nice chap indeed - the way you come across on here is more or less the complete opposite. And yes, it's easy enough to pick out individual words - because you were the one petty enough using them in the first place!!
5waller5 Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Well, on the other hand, it's hard to find a player who has something terrible to say about him. Unless you can point that particular individual out to me... As a football fan I've heard a player slate a manager only a handful of times in 30 odd years for any club. But if the justification that NP is a motivator and leader is a quote like this I think it proved my point nicely.
MC Prussian Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 As a football fan I've heard a player slate a manager only a handful of times in 30 odd years for any club. But if the justification that NP is a motivator and leader is a quote like this I think it proved my point nicely. Your point being...?
5waller5 Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Your point being...? That finding a player say something positive about their manager is not difficult. There would have been players saying nice stuff about Ollie even. it proves nothing.
MC Prussian Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 That finding a player say something positive about their manager is not difficult. There would have been players saying nice stuff about Ollie even. it proves nothing. Hold on there for a second... I was talking about finding somebody who has something terrible to say about Pearson, asked you to point that person out to me and then you turn around and duck it all completely and conveniently? How's that for an argument?
Swiss_tony Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Are you seriously that stupid? Pearson would of got promoted the season before Bruce arrived. And as for 'not the slightest bit related'. Chester, evans, brady, rosenior and koren were first team players, and as soon as fryatt and hobbs were fit they were back in the side. All 7 were pearson signings. hull team last game of 2012/2013 season stockdale, chester, mcshane, faye, elmohamady, boyd, meylor, quinn, rosenior, simpson, brady. oct 29th 2011 close to last pearson game in charge. basso, chester, dudgeon, rosenior, hobbs, cairney, koren, evans, mclean, fryatt, brady. 3 out of 11 the same, or 27%: hobbs and fryatt were on the subs bench for most of the games last season because bruce doesn't rate them. research is everything.
MC Prussian Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 hull team last game of 2012/2013 season stockdale, chester, mcshane, faye, elmohamady, boyd, meylor, quinn, rosenior, simpson, brady. oct 29th 2011 close to last pearson game in charge. basso, chester, dudgeon, rosenior, hobbs, cairney, koren, evans, mclean, fryatt, brady. 3 out of 11 the same, or 27%: hobbs and fryatt were on the subs bench for most of the games last season because bruce doesn't rate them. research is everything. Fryatt was out for most part of last season due to an achilles injury. Hobbs was out with a damage to his anterior cruciate ligament, and came back in late December 2012 to play for Hull again. Research is everything. Oh, and I can pick random games to prove my point, too.
Swiss_tony Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 mc prussian, you've turned this from a thread entitled 'why-do-some-people-actually-dislike-pearson-as-manager', to 'why you are not allowed to dislike pearson as a manager and why your opinion is not as valid as mine due to my vast and endless knowledge of all things leicester city'. at least babylon has the good grace to acknowledge when somebody has a point, even if he disagrees with it. your endless rambling as to why our opinions are wrong is turning into an epic of war and peace proportions. really, if you like him, stay off this thread and start one entitled 'why-do-some-people-like-pearson-as-manager'. i'll stay off that one, deal?
MC Prussian Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 mc prussian, you've turned this from a thread entitled 'why-do-some-people-actually-dislike-pearson-as-manager', to 'why you are not allowed to dislike pearson as a manager and why your opinion is not as valid as mine due to my vast and endless knowledge of all things leicester city'. at least babylon has the good grace to acknowledge when somebody has a point, even if he disagrees with it. your endless rambling as to why our opinions are wrong is turning into an epic of war and peace proportions. really, if you like him, stay off this thread and start one entitled 'why-do-some-people-like-pearson-as-manager'. i'll stay off that one, deal? Do you have some more of your statistics to prove your point? I thought you were the one so keen and eager to show off with your knowledge.
Swiss_tony Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Fryatt was out for most part of last season due to an achilles injury. Hobbs was out with a damage to his anterior cruciate ligament, and came back in late December 2012 to play for Hull again. Research is everything. Oh, and I can pick random games to prove my point, too. i didn't pick random games, i picked the last game of last season ie the last one that bruce picked, and as close as i could guess the last game pearson was in charge. no randomness about it, but go on then, pick random games to prove your point.
MC Prussian Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 i didn't pick random games, i picked the last game of last season ie the last one that bruce picked, and as close as i could guess the last game pearson was in charge. no randomness about it, but go on then, pick random games to prove your point. You just proved my point that you picked random games.
seenitall Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 At the risk of a ban............ Let's dissect this rambling: a) Pearson can pick a team, he picked a team that brought us as high up as second in the table. So he must be doing something right. He also picked a team which won 3 in 17 so must be doing something wrong at the same time b) Which players did he use out of position for an extended period of time, honestly? I can think of exactly... none. Schlupp can play both LB and ST, and using Dyer as left-back (once and in a part-time role?) doesn't qualify. Knockaert can play out wide or as a CF in the middle, so to make him less predictable for the opposition. Well Schlupp and Moore are obvious candidates - it is always a shame to see Nuge pushed out wide as he seems more effective through the middle and watching Vardy shoved into the middle when he seemed to score far more running in from the flanks seemed similarly strange c) Schlupp seems to blossom under him,After he came back from Man Utd - actually blossomed better under Sven Morgan is a rock in defense,but not a natural leader we've got a great goalkeeper with potential - but needs to realise it soon - new coach perhaps? - two good main strikers Who didn't score for weeks when the going got tough and Matty James seems to be the revelation of this year's pre-season even though pre season failures to score and letting in lots of goals doesn't count , being good against Leamington etc is proof of greatness coming through. So much for your "never getting the best out of any player". Morgan yes - everyone else you mention has not progressed or has gone backwards - Jury out on James d) Which players did he turn to rubbish exactly? Was it his undoing or the player's influence? Or maybe a bit of both or even more? If the players could self manage we could get rid of NP and get another one in for his £1m - I would suggest they need good management, good coaching etc - maybe it is coming this year? FYI - Whitbread, Vardy, Futacs, Wood, Nugent (second half season) Knocky, Drinkwater, Marshall, Konch, Schlupp (pre Man u) Beckford, Danns, Mills all played worse under Nige than in previous situations e) If memory serves correctly, Pearson always used the best available starting eleven from his squad. Hmmmm - difficult to prove - the defence was statistically stronger with Mills and Wes but he fluffed that one up (possibly). The few games Whitbread struggled in were questionable, putting Kane on the pitch was always questionable so not I would say not always f) His preferred position is 4-4-2, with hints of a 4-3-3 if necessary (last season). He's now experimenting with a 3-5-2. But they were atrocious from Christmas really, interestingly after we had played teams once, ,most managers worked us out - we appeared to work out very few teams g) Watford at home in the playoffs. Facing a team with some of the best (loan) players in the league, we played a great game and won 1-0. That was Pearson outsmarting Zola. Although he looked like a lost puppy in the return leg - perhaps 4-0 would have been more convincing. Also, Zola really felt a draw was warranted in that game and without blinkers was quite possibly right - we certainly didn't strike the fear of God into them as they made us look like fools in the return h) If you have an issue with his attitude and how it comes across in the media - your problem. Although many had an issue with Sven and the media - was that their problem too? Or is it OK to to give 'your man' the benefit of the doubt? i) We've also played some of the best, most spectacular football in decades under Pearson - in particular, during the first half of last season. Handful of games maybe but then we played one of the best I can remember seeing under Sousa against Cardiff and under Sven against Derby - you need it to be for more than a few to be worthwhile and the absolute disintegration of that side into relegation form for so long has pretty much drawn a veil over the good stuff from last season - indeed, the last game I saw we struggled badly (away v Watford) j) Winning League One is not a major plus? You still have to win what's ahead of you and the League One campaign was a tight affair up until the last five to ten games. It was great and I think most of those down on Nige are not really counting his first period here, predominantly because he has struggled since then to show any real sign of being the man he was then. Being a good manager is about the now - that is why Sven could not rest on his actual achievements from the past in the end - Nige cannot rest on his success (great though that season was) with us - 3 dull years and he needs to show us what he can do this year or that will be 5 seasons without tangible success in a row k) "We shouldn't have been there"? But we were, and all of that mainly thanks to Ian Holloway. This is a bit revisionist though. You can't say that Holloway was responsible for Leicester in 2 thirds of a season and then claim Nige can't be held responsible for us after 70 odd games When you talk about players being used out of position and soul-destroying football, do you remember our "style" of play under Holloway? Do you? I do - we were a very poor side - what that has to do with NP though? l) Oakley, Howard and Wellens were great servants to the club up until their early to mid-thirties, before injuries and age took their toll. As was Nige when he was here first time, as was Dickov first time round......I would dispute Oakley really as he was always a bit 'I prefer Derby' as was Howard for a year or so. m) If by players with "personality" you're thinking of people who love to show off in public, then yes: Pearson doesn't like them, because they should focus on their footballing abilities first. He shouldn't care - results are all that matters - is he a manager or hosting a personality contest (check the irony) Overall, just a load of assumptions and personal attacks that border on the verge of libel. You say it yourself: You don't know whether he's a bully or not, you just assume that is the case. I agree that doesn't matter - results are all that matter - he hasn't been getting them And where and when did Pearson ever attempt being the better manager than Sven? The same Sven-Göran Eriksson that brought in a lot of overpaid, lazy footballers, some with severe personal issues - you let yourself down here by resorting to the same over emotional nonsense as your detractors- libellous is libellous and leaving us with a wage bill of unheard proportions? Well he only left us with it because he was sacked - arguably he should have been allowed, once having spent that money, to see it through and then if the experiment actually failed (and 19pts from 13 started to look quite an achievement by March/April last season) he could have been held liable Really? I'd love you to back up that claim. The only disaster here is your argumentation, which is mainly just a collection of angry hot air. I know what is happening to you here as I find it happening to me - you defend your position but invite in all sorts of attacks - merely answering them makes you look weak and therefore the only way is to surrender to the masses or dig your heels in and run the risk of becoming quite irrational - I'm sure your man will live up to your expectations for the season and for that I am slightly envious of you
Swiss_tony Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Do you have some more of your statistics to prove your point? I thought you were the one so keen and eager to show off with your knowledge. almost a good effort at straw man argument there. but not quite.
Swiss_tony Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 You just proved my point that you picked random games. it's like trying to argue with a bible basher. i picked the last teams each manager picked as near as i could guess. not random at all. they would've have been the most representative teams each one pcked as they would have had the most time to mould them as they wished. must try harder.
5waller5 Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 You just proved my point that you picked random games. How on earth is that random .... he just justified his selction using the most sensible criteria available.
5waller5 Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Hold on there for a second... I was talking about finding somebody who has something terrible to say about Pearson, asked you to point that person out to me and then you turn around and duck it all completely and conveniently? How's that for an argument? Wow ... are you deliberately doing this???? I said that in 30 years i'd only heard one or two players slate a manager at any club ..... Then you query that and I explain what i said ... to which you reply "show me someone slating Pearson". I think you need to step away from your screen and think about something that isn't Nigel.
Dan Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Why not use bookies odds ffs, they are experts, l can't believe some of the rubbish posted. Well, because they're very often wrong? :: How did us being favourites to win the league in 2011/12 get on again? Simply laughable, never seen more obvious clutching at straws in my life.
FLINTHAMFC Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Who cares. I'm sure he doesn't give them the first thought - and good on him. If I was him I wouldn't give a toss either. I am more than sure that there are plenty of other teams who would jump at the chance to have Pearson as gaffa. Sadly I don't think the same can be levelled at anyone on this forum. Perhaps that's why we should leave the football side of stuff upto him and let's just watch it. I'd guess at we are probably better equipped to watch than judge.
5waller5 Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Well, because they're very often wrong? : : How did us being favourites to win the league in 2011/12 get on again? Simply laughable, never seen more obvious clutching at straws in my life. If they weren't wrong sometimes there would be no betting market at all .... but you can be assured they are right more often!
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