fleckneymike Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 Of course it does look better when you say things like "instant success" and "Successive seasons" and "first full season". When in reality what that means is it's actually their second or even third season at the club. No it means what it says. Only McCarthy was in his third season season, the 'others' took up post from October through to March the season before promotion. When you say Pearson's had two seasons people correct you and say 'it's a season and a bit'. There have been 21 managers promoted since 06/07, THIRTEEN were in their first season in this league (either appointed or promoted/relegated into the champ), SIX in their first FULL season and TWO in their second or third season.
5waller5 Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 As Col has said, this season's promoted sides were led by managers who'd been in post for a max of two seasons, 2011/12 Adkins too Southampton up in successive seasons, Allardyce instant success, McDermot in his first full season, 2010/11 Warnock first full season, Lambert successive seasons, Rodgers first season 2009/10 Houghton first season, DiMatteo first season, Holloway first season 2008/09 McCarthy (THIRD SEASON), McLeish returned at first attempt, Coyle first full season 2007/08 Mowbray first full season, Pulis first full season, Brown first full season 2006/07 Keane first season, Bruce returned first attempt, Davies first season I could go on but instant success under your terms (i.e. as long as Pearson has currently had) is the norm. Undoubtedly 'instant' failure is probably also quite likely but either way, if you want out of this league then swapping managers frequently is the only way. That's incredible ... didn't realise it was quite so cut and dried! Puts paid to the consistency theory.
fleckneymike Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 That's incredible ... didn't realise it was quite so cut and dried! Puts paid to the consistency theory. 2005/06 will give heart to the stability fans 2005/06 Coppell THIRD SEASON (second full), Warnock SIXTH SEASON (fifth full), Boothroyd first full season (appointed MARCH 05) 2004/05 McCArthy THIRD SEASON (second full, app MARCH 03), Jewell second full season at Champ level (won Div 1 at second season), Pardew first full season 2003/04 Worthington THIRD SEASON (second full, app DEC 01), Megson first season (relegated DOWN season previous), Dowie first PART season
5waller5 Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 2005/06 will give heart to the stability fans 2005/06 Coppell THIRD SEASON (second full), Warnock SIXTH SEASON (fifth full), Boothroyd first full season (appointed MARCH 05) 2004/05 McCArthy THIRD SEASON (second full, app MARCH 03), Jewell second full season at Champ level (won Div 1 at second season), Pardew first full season 2003/04 Worthington THIRD SEASON (second full, app DEC 01), Megson first season (relegated DOWN season previous), Dowie first PART season A long way to have to go back though!
fleckneymike Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 A long way to have to go back though! It is and being cruel 5 are now unemployed, 2 in Division 2, 1 in the Prem and 1 in the Champ (but if history is anything to go by he'll be promoted this season).
Happy Fox Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 All you need is a decent manager, NP is alright not saying he is bad because he isn't, but this is his crunch season in management, crunch season really in the history of Leicester City football club, fail to deliver promotion and I cannot see managing at a bigger club than City.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 I think that's the trouble with us being out of the top flight for ten years ..... young supporters now view us as a second division side. Yes, there is no doubt about that.
blueoveru Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 Mr Numan it is obvious that I am new to this game....WHATEVER the circumstances of our dealings with them regarding players have no bearing on the fact that Hull did not try very hard to keep Nigel, which subsequently paid off with their aquisition of Steve Bruce who guided them to promotion I may not know much about the intricacies of messageboards but I have followed Leicester City for since 1942 and their plight still plays an enormous amount of my time in my life
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 I remember those days too, I remember watching England play N Ireland at Wembley when we had four Leicester players in the England team, Shilton, Whitworth, Weller and Worthington, Weller scored the winner. That's the main problem with this forum the vast majority are students or schoolboys and cannot remember when Leicester were a top half 1st division side for many a year. I would imagine the vast majority are young, and have no idea just how good we have been in the past. Perhaps their aspirations would be higher had they been around then. It is highly unlikely that we will attain those heights again in the foreseeable future, so we who have witnessed it, will continue to cherish the memories that remain with us.
MC Prussian Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 Yes, there is no doubt about that. But we are a second division side and have been so for the majority of our existence. The stints in the top flight were always a welcome change, but never of the really longer-lasting kind. Leicester City FC is a true yo-yo club, always hanging in between First and Second Division.
scotty1980 Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 Looks as if you made an attempt at creating a complete sentence and then stopped midway through.
5waller5 Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 But we are a second division side and have been so for the majority of our existence. The stints in the top flight were always a welcome change, but never of the really longer-lasting kind. Leicester City FC is a true yo-yo club, always hanging in between First and Second Division. With this post you prove one thing ...... You are negative about LCFC. All your monotonous posting is completely positive about NP but is actually negative about the club. And yet you call into question the support of the "negative" supporters in your eyes (those that question NP).
MC Prussian Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 With this post you prove one thing ...... You are negative about LCFC. All your monotonous posting is completely positive about NP but is actually negative about the club. And yet you call into question the support of the "negative" supporters in your eyes (those that question NP). Since when is stating facts "negative"? Good luck with spinning that one... And if you had followed me closely, you would have noticed that I've been critical of Pearson, too. And not just once. And I still am.
5waller5 Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 Since when is stating facts "negative"? Good luck with spinning that one... And if you had followed me closely, you would have noticed that I've been critical of Pearson, too. And not just once. And I still am. Behave .... you're monotonous in spinning NP's party line. Viewing the club as a second division outfit is just plain wrong to me ..... and as negative as your likely to get .... In recent history we've spent around half the time in each .... so a supporter views us as a premier league club waiting to get out the championship. A negative person sees us as a championship side.
MC Prussian Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 Behave .... you're monotonous in spinning NP's party line. Viewing the club as a second division outfit is just plain wrong to me ..... and as negative as your likely to get .... In recent history we've spent around half the time in each .... so a supporter views us as a premier league club waiting to get out the championship. A negative person sees us as a championship side. Great way of twisting what I've said all along. In our entire history, we've been a larger Second Division side mostly, and in parts blessed with the odd First Division appearance here and there. I don't see why stating that is considered to be "negative" in your eyes. It's there to see for everybody, black on white. How "recent" is your "recent"? The last 55+ years? Then I'd concur - but were you around in the 60ies, too? Again, good for you if you've been spoilt with a couple of years in the top flight as a supporter, you were witness of a lucky and fantastic spell. Yet it doesn't detract a single bit of what I've stated. We're one of the bigger "Championship" clubs with aspirations of making it to the Premier League and we'll always be. We'll be lucky again. Sooner or later.
Corky Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 Behave .... you're monotonous in spinning NP's party line. Viewing the club as a second division outfit is just plain wrong to me ..... and as negative as your likely to get .... In recent history we've spent around half the time in each .... so a supporter views us as a premier league club waiting to get out the championship. A negative person sees us as a championship side. Negative people expect a relegation battle, as some on the forum do.
nickelbyfox Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 Not against Pearson by any means but often comes across as a miserable, stubborn old bastard. This has its strengths and weaknesses but also feel that is why a lot of fans never really warm to him. "Sometimes he can be a nightmare because he comes in like a bear with a sore head when he's lost and things haven't gone our way. He can mope about - just the same as players really." "At other times he's bright and bubbly and he likes a laugh and a joke. But he's manager who knows what he's doing; he's not stupid." http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23501018?
Babylon Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 Not against Pearson by any means but often comes across as a miserable, stubborn old bastard. This has its strengths and weaknesses but also feel that is why a lot of fans never really warm to him. "Sometimes he can be a nightmare because he comes in like a bear with a sore head when he's lost and things haven't gone our way. He can mope about - just the same as players really." "At other times he's bright and bubbly and he likes a laugh and a joke. But he's manager who knows what he's doing; he's not stupid." http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23501018? Is there something that's supposed to be negative in there?
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 Thanks. And so I shall make them heard in the future. I am certain you will.
Corky Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 Not against Pearson by any means but often comes across as a miserable, stubborn old bastard. This has its strengths and weaknesses but also feel that is why a lot of fans never really warm to him. "Sometimes he can be a nightmare because he comes in like a bear with a sore head when he's lost and things haven't gone our way. He can mope about - just the same as players really." "At other times he's bright and bubbly and he likes a laugh and a joke. But he's manager who knows what he's doing; he's not stupid." http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23501018? He's fed up when his team loses. How pathetic and unnatural.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 But we are a second division side and have been so for the majority of our existence. The stints in the top flight were always a welcome change, but never of the really longer-lasting kind. Leicester City FC is a true yo-yo club, always hanging in between First and Second Division. I certainly can't argue with that, but when you have seen Leicester as they were in the sixties, it is understandably underwhelming to see them now. It is difficult for us old enough to have witnessed City at their best, to accept the level our standards have dropped to, more so, after the MON years, when things became somewhat better.
MC Prussian Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 I certainly can't argue with that, but when you have seen Leicester as they were in the sixties, it is understandably underwhelming to see them now. It is difficult for us old enough to have witnessed City at their best, to accept the level our standards have dropped to, more so, after the MON years, when things became somewhat better. No doubt about it - the gap between the Premier League and the Championship has widened over the years and I'd say it has become much harder to a) gain promotion and b) maintain your stay in the top flight. Mainly because the established sides in the Premier League are so well-off by now, after twenty odd years of constant feeding. The LCFC recipe for success in the Sixties will highly likely never be able to be reproduced again. The circumstances are just so much more different and the amount of money in the game has destroyed a lot over the recent years. Mainly the fans' joy.
Silverdaz Posted 31 July 2013 Author Posted 31 July 2013 Sorry folks it looks like ive stirred up a hornets nest here (and I dont mean watford)
fleckneymike Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 No doubt about it - the gap between the Premier League and the Championship has widened over the years and I'd say it has become much harder to a) gain promotion and b) maintain your stay in the top flight. Mainly because the established sides in the Premier League are so well-off by now, after twenty odd years of constant feeding. The LCFC recipe for success in the Sixties will highly likely never be able to be reproduced again. The circumstances are just so much more different and the amount of money in the game has destroyed a lot over the recent years. Mainly the fans' joy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_clubs
nickelbyfox Posted 31 July 2013 Posted 31 July 2013 Is there something that's supposed to be negative in there? He's fed up when his team loses. How pathetic and unnatural. Nothing negative, Think it just sheds some light on his character which you can make of what you will. IMO Pearson has his formula and I hope to God it works, but do question his ability to mix things up when the going is tough - stubborn, miserable trait comes out
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