FoxesBoyChris Posted 3 August 2013 Posted 3 August 2013 Does anyone know how Borrusia Dortmund can charge >£100 a year for a season ticket and nearly all clubs higher than League 2 in England charge more? Surely if more clubs were "fan orientated" then they would get te atmosphere they want and also have a huge fan following. The price has surely got to be one of the reasons Dortmund fans are one of the best fan groups on the planet?
Mack Posted 3 August 2013 Posted 3 August 2013 The German financial model is envied by many fans from other countries. Personally I am not a fan of German Football bar Dortmund but they have proven there is more than one way to skin a cat. Fans own a large percentage of the clubs giving them a big say in what goes on and how much is charged for tickets etc. p.s. This belongs in the general football section p.p.s. No this was not a poem.
FoxesBoyChris Posted 3 August 2013 Author Posted 3 August 2013 Seeing how successful German clubs are becoming lately though, and still having big money to spend on transfers if that's people's worry, surely the German football model is the way to go? Fans benefit and so can the club. Thanks, can you move it? (Or know how?)
cc_star Posted 3 August 2013 Posted 3 August 2013 The German clubs say it would raise relatively little to charge fans more, compared to the money they raise elsewhere like TV Problem in this country is it's Premier League or nothing. The FL sponsorship by Sky Bet is less than previous sponsorships, and at a time of record TV deals, the FL has never been worth less & the new TV deal is lower than the last one. Tgeres
FoxesBoyChris Posted 3 August 2013 Author Posted 3 August 2013 If they raise little more money (in a huge stadium) then why do clubs (eg Leicester) with a smaller stadium charge so much? Surely a little cut in price wouldn't drop their takings so much? In fact lower prices could see us get a higher average attendance so for the poorer games where we have 20,000ish fans we could have 30,000 at a cheaper ticket cost.
LcFc_Smiv Posted 3 August 2013 Posted 3 August 2013 Unfortunately modern day owners of football clubs are pretty out of touch with their fans. It's a harsh thing to say and I know our owners praise us and try and put things on, but I also feel an element of our history has been lost under them, take that fantastic banner that used to surround the inside of the stadium. Lower priced season tickets, match tickets etc would be nice, but I wouldn't hold you're breath over a new system.
bovril Posted 3 August 2013 Posted 3 August 2013 Pretty sure I could get a Dortmund season ticket for less than I could at King's Lynn FC.
purpleronnie Posted 3 August 2013 Posted 3 August 2013 Differences between a free (uk) and democratic(German) system. You also have to consider how difficult it is getting a season ticket in germany.
FoxesBoyChris Posted 3 August 2013 Author Posted 3 August 2013 I'd rather have competition to get a season ticket and if I miss out then have to pay less for a match day ticket anyway. I'm sure Leicester and other clubs could charge £5 a match and still make a huge profit and run a successful club.
purpleronnie Posted 3 August 2013 Posted 3 August 2013 I'd rather have competition to get a season ticket and if I miss out then have to pay less for a match day ticket anyway. I'm sure Leicester and other clubs could charge £5 a match and still make a huge profit and run a successful club. And other seats are often pretty expensive in germany too, someone posted on another forum that they managed to get one and paid £38.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 3 August 2013 Posted 3 August 2013 I've bloody loved Dortmund since they bought little Tomas Rosicky when I was like 12, but I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing how much a ****ing season ticket costs there. Germans do it better, tickets in this country are priced at ridiculous figures - we all know that. It's like people converting Michu into units because he was such a shrewd deal. Eg "Knwyne Jones cost ten million?! You could've gotten eight Muchus for that!"
Corky Posted 3 August 2013 Posted 3 August 2013 I'd rather have competition to get a season ticket and if I miss out then have to pay less for a match day ticket anyway. I'm sure Leicester and other clubs could charge £5 a match and still make a huge profit and run a successful club. We couldn't, the revenue from sponsors and TV isn't enough to cover really cheap tickets.
MC Prussian Posted 4 August 2013 Posted 4 August 2013 Differences between a free (uk) and democratic(German) system. You also have to consider how difficult it is getting a season ticket in germany. Depends on the club and its size. Freiburg, St. Pauli and Bayern, for instance, have either small stadiums that are usually full quickly or such a high demand for season tickets, that there's a ridiculously long waiting list (in the case of Bayern). Two weeks before the start of the 2013/2014 season, the Bundesliga counted 464'700 season tickets sold for all clubs. Dortmund lead the line; they had to cap the number at 55'000! Their waiting list is insane - last time I checked, the number was in the region of 90'000! Schalke are second in the list with 43'935 season tickets (capped), while Bayern come third with 39'500 season tickets (also capped). Source: http://www.np-coburg.de/sport/ueberregional/sport/Bundesligisten-setzen-schon-464-780-Dauerkarten-ab;art2809,2719433
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 4 August 2013 Posted 4 August 2013 Blame Financial 'Fair' Play. Clubs have to maximise revenue = High ticket prices
FoxesBoyChris Posted 4 August 2013 Author Posted 4 August 2013 All revenue for clubs does not come from tickets though...
C-man Posted 4 August 2013 Posted 4 August 2013 Does anyone know how Borrusia Dortmund can charge >£100 a year for a season ticket and nearly all clubs higher than League 2 in England charge more? Surely if more clubs were "fan orientated" then they would get te atmosphere they want and also have a huge fan following. The price has surely got to be one of the reasons Dortmund fans are one of the best fan groups on the planet? The cheapest season ticket at Dortmund is €190 I believe. Very good value considering they were CL-finalists last year but still relatively expensive compared to the rest of the Bundesliga. Not that it matters because its almost impossible to become a season ticket holder there. Of 55,000 STHs from last year, 240 did not renew. If you take MC Prussian's estimate of 90,000 on the waiting list, you'll be dead before you get an offer letter. The reason they offer some so cheap is completely cultural but it doesn't stop them from rinsing the rest of the stadium. Single ticket prices at Dortmund generally ange between €30-46 so not exactly the cheap football paradise the media would have you believe. Similar story at Bayern, who have sold out every home game already this season to members only. As for the price being one of the reasons Dortmund have good fans, I'm not so sure that's true. Organisation (350+ fanclubs), 'The Unity' ultras and standing far more important factors. The facts are that we are simply not big enough to drop prices by a tenner to get an extra 10k in the ground each game. I'm by no means saying that the club have got their pricing structure correct (because I think it's disgusting, quite frankly) but no sane businessman or woman is going to let people have something cheaper if they know that X number of people will continue to pay £Y because they love the club too much to stop going. The only way we will ever see a fall in prices is if we vote with our feet, no-one renews, and the KP is empty for a few games. Unfortunately that'll never happen because we are too unorganised as fans and our fans would much rather go to a game, pay £35, moan about the performance and then moan about the cost afterwards. Blame Financial 'Fair' Play. Clubs have to maximise revenue = High ticket prices How do you explain the last two decades of sickening ticket price inflation? All FFP does it give the clubs a handy excuse.
purpleronnie Posted 4 August 2013 Posted 4 August 2013 Blame Financial 'Fair' Play. Clubs have to maximise revenue = High ticket prices
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 4 August 2013 Posted 4 August 2013 All revenue for clubs does not come from tickets though... Yes but the club have no reason to reduce ticket prices, since it will actually make them less able to compete.
purpleronnie Posted 5 August 2013 Posted 5 August 2013 http://www.givemesport.com/365564-shocking-scenes-as-crowd-trouble-mars-season-opener The opening game of the new season is one that everyone looks forward to. After a summer of wondering what to do come 3pm on a Saturday, football fan's across the globe will have been relived to see the return of football this weekend - though fans from SV Babelsberg 03 and FC Lokomotive Leipzig had a unique way of showing it. Ahead of their opening match in the Regionalliga Nordost division, fans from both sides shocked the onlooking players by clashing in the stands. It's unclear what sparked the violence, but you can clearly see fans running around the perimeter of the pitch in an attempt to reach the opposing supporters, before various punches, objects and whatever else the violent mob can lay their hands on gets thrown. When order was eventually restored, SV Babelsberg 03 and FC Lokomotive Leipzig played out an uninspiring 1-0 win, with the home side taking the three points thanks to a 26th minute strike from Süleyman Koc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABijL6h9R6I Lovely bunch, one giving the old nazi salute.
MC Prussian Posted 5 August 2013 Posted 5 August 2013 http://www.givemesport.com/365564-shocking-scenes-as-crowd-trouble-mars-season-opener http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABijL6h9R6I Lovely bunch, one giving the old nazi salute. Interesting, but known scenes from the German Wild East, although I don't see what it's got to do with the actual thread topic...
purpleronnie Posted 5 August 2013 Posted 5 August 2013 Interesting, but known scenes from the German Wild East, although I don't see what it's got to do with the actual thread topic... Couldnt be arsed to make a seperate thread.
CosbehFox Posted 5 August 2013 Posted 5 August 2013 That game is Left Politics Versus Right Politics. If you read something of the things that LOK fans were chanting (e.g. the celebrating facism, mass murderers and paedophiles), then it wouldn't surprise you that the Babelsburg fans (who are notoriously left) decided to turn towards violence. Much similar in Germany is the rivarly between St Pauli and Hansa Rostock.
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