Jamie Oliver questions food poverty

[ADK]

That's the thing with "propaganda campaigns" ,If you know they're there , they don't work on you. 

 

Oliver himself isn't part of any campaign , he's nothing more than one of the many stooges that are used to drip drip feed us crap about how the poorer members of society only have themselves to blame . 

 

Who else is to blame for poor people feeding themselves and their kids overpriced unhealthy food?

[Captain...]

 

There probably is a lot of truth in the argument that cooking and serving healthy food can be a cheaper option than convenience foods . 

But as getting kids to eat it is quite a different matter.

It's easier to get them to eat their own bogies than brussel sprouts.

 

It's probably just another part of the propaganda campaign to portray the low paid as feckless layabouts.  And it gives  smug middle class  twats the opportunity to jump on the bandwagon to tell them how much more  fookin  clever they are. 

 

 

First of all, if kids aren't used to eating processed crap full of salt or sugar, then they will have no problem switching to healthier food, the problem is not that children don't like it, but if you've never had fresh home cooked food before it will taste weird. Sprouts probably aren't a good place to start though.

 

As for the class thing, I don't think it is aimed at being a class war, but obviously people will use this as another stick to beat benefit Britain with. The cause has been the way society has changed over the last few decades. Previously working and middle class families had one bread winner and one stay at home parent. Usually the mother would stay at home and knew how to cook things on the cheap make use of every bit of left overs, no bit of fat went to waste, they would pass on those skills to their kids, usually the daughter. Also home economics and cooking used to be taught in schools, but now it has been phased out for things that can be measured. Most families these days have both parents working, time poor, but cash rich, the perfect market for ready meals. 

 

The problem is a societal one, where many people either don't have time to cook, or don't know how to, that this particular initiative is aimed at the poorest then it is just the gimmick, the problem is much deeper routed than that and whilst teaching a few people how to cook cheap and easy and healthy food isn't a bad thing, it is not going to solve anything.

[ADK]

First of all, if kids aren't used to eating processed crap full of salt or sugar, then they will have no problem switching to healthier food, the problem is not that children don't like it, but if you've never had fresh home cooked food before it will taste weird. Sprouts probably aren't a good place to start though.

 

As for the class thing, I don't think it is aimed at being a class war, but obviously people will use this as another stick to beat benefit Britain with. The cause has been the way society has changed over the last few decades. Previously working and middle class families had one bread winner and one stay at home parent. Usually the mother would stay at home and knew how to cook things on the cheap make use of every bit of left overs, no bit of fat went to waste, they would pass on those skills to their kids, usually the daughter. Also home economics and cooking used to be taught in schools, but now it has been phased out for things that can be measured. Most families these days have both parents working, time poor, but cash rich, the perfect market for ready meals. 

 

The problem is a societal one, where many people either don't have time to cook, or don't know how to, that this particular initiative is aimed at the poorest then it is just the gimmick, the problem is much deeper routed than that and whilst teaching a few people how to cook cheap and easy and healthy food isn't a bad thing, it is not going to solve anything.

 

I was going to write something similar about the traditional family with the man earning and the woman minding the home.

 

Both my grandmothers did all the cooking and could prepare good meals without spending a lot of money. There was a much larger white working class back then and working people couldn't afford to spend lots of money on food. They also had to contend with rationing so there was not a lot of wastage.

 

A lot of women don't know how to cook these days, I think that would have been very rare 50 years ago.

[Zingari]

Can people really not see that there is a subtle wide ranging propaganda campaign aimed at the poorer paid /educated in society and that the populace just slightly above them  are all too eager dupes willing  to take a swipe at those people at every opportunity  rather than the real leeches in our society .

It's nothing to do with healthy lifestyles its another stick to beat the "Gin Lane"  portrayed lower classes 

 

Distraction at its finest .

 

I was going to write something similar about the traditional family with the man earning and the woman minding the home.

 

Both my grandmothers did all the cooking and could prepare good meals without spending a lot of money. There was a much larger white working class back then and working people couldn't afford to spend lots of money on food. They also had to contend with rationing so there was not a lot of wastage.

 

A lot of women don't know how to cook these days, I think that would have been very rare 50 years ago.

sexist !!

[Captain...]

Can people really not see that there is a subtle wide ranging propaganda campaign aimed at the poorer paid /educated in society and that the populace just slightly above them  are all too eager dupes willing  to take a swipe at those people at every opportunity  rather than the real leeches in our society .

It's nothing to do with healthy lifestyles its another stick to beat the "Gin Lane"  portrayed lower classes 

 

Distraction at its finest .

 

sexist !!

 

I think there is, but this is not part of it, it is just a TV program looking at actually trying to help the poorest rather than demonise them, perhaps picking up on the current zeitgeist and exploiting it or even bucking the trend, depends how they go about it.

 

Jamie Oliver is many things, but he is not Cameron's stooge and he is doing this because it will raise his profile and hopefully help some people, but more importantly make him look like he is helping people. These types of show aren't new, but the problem still remains, which suggests they don't work, but people do watch them.

[Jon the Hat]

So as usual the lefties oppose something that might make a difference?  There is a shock.  i get really bored of how everything is reported with some idiot spouting the opposite view for balance.  Seriously, you can pick holes in any idea if you want to, and then you would achieve absolutely nothing.  Wankers.

[Zingari]

I think there is, but this is not part of it, it is just a TV program looking at actually trying to help the poorest rather than demonise them, perhaps picking up on the current zeitgeist and exploiting it or even bucking the trend, depends how they go about it.

 

Jamie Oliver is many things, but he is not Cameron's stooge and he is doing this because it will raise his profile and hopefully help some people, but more importantly make him look like he is helping people. These types of show aren't new, but the problem still remains, which suggests they don't work, but people do watch them.

So you believe there is a wide ranging propaganda campaign aimed at demonising the poor in society?

Tell me about what you believe to be the main areas of this campaign. What makes you think it's restricted to those areas? 

Why might this not be a part of it then ? The media seems to pick and choose when to make issues out of this stuff , it's hardly anything new .It seems convenient at a time when the poor are taking the biggest hits on belt tightening. 

 

I said Oliver himself wasn't in on it.  It's just that he and his ilk are used to indirectly and unintentionally  to portray the poor as feckless and in need of advice from we smug citizens who are in a rather more fortunate position .

 

Britain has a long tradition of stirring up class war by devious means to keep us divided and squabbling amonst ourselves.  

[Harry - LCFC]

Totally agree with what he said. There's such a simple solution available to so many families and it isn't being taken.

[leicsmac]

So as usual the lefties oppose something that might make a difference?  There is a shock.  i get really bored of how everything is reported with some idiot spouting the opposite view for balance.  Seriously, you can pick holes in any idea if you want to, and then you would achieve absolutely nothing.  Wankers.

 

Yep, let's take everything the Government says at face value and trust them implicitly. Oh look, I can make generalisations too!

 

I rather like the idea of balance and individual free will to dissent and debate, thanks.

 

As for the matter itself - I think it's much of a muchness really. I would say making a healthy meal is around the same price as an unhealthy one once you add it all up, it just costs more in time and motivation.

[Captain...]

 

So you believe there is a wide ranging propaganda campaign aimed at demonising the poor in society?

Tell me about what you believe to be the main areas of this campaign. What makes you think it's restricted to those areas? 

Why might this not be a part of it then ? The media seems to pick and choose when to make issues out of this stuff , it's hardly anything new .It seems convenient at a time when the poor are taking the biggest hits on belt tightening. 

 

I said Oliver himself wasn't in on it.  It's just that he and his ilk are used to indirectly and unintentionally  to portray the poor as feckless and in need of advice from we smug citizens who are in a rather more fortunate position .

 

Britain has a long tradition of stirring up class war by devious means to keep us divided and squabbling amonst ourselves.  

 

 

I think it is more being led by Cameron and his stooges, and certain elements of the print media, channel 4 has had some programs recently about benefits Britain, but I just don't see this as being part of it. It is just tapping into it, but if anything doing the opposite, probably inspired by the reports saying that people on benefits spend a fortune on ready meals. Now that report may have been part of the smear campaign, but at least Oliver is looking to tackle it, rather than just highlight it without suggesting any solution. 

[Captain...]

Yep, let's take everything the Government says at face value and trust them implicitly. Oh look, I can make generalisations too!

 

I rather like the idea of balance and individual free will to dissent and debate, thanks.

 

As for the matter itself - I think it's much of a muchness really. I would say making a healthy meal is around the same price as an unhealthy one once you add it all up, it just costs more in time and motivation.

 

It really doesn't if you know what you are doing, and is so much better for you health wise.

[ADK]

 

So you believe there is a wide ranging propaganda campaign aimed at demonising the poor in society?

Tell me about what you believe to be the main areas of this campaign. What makes you think it's restricted to those areas? 

Why might this not be a part of it then ? The media seems to pick and choose when to make issues out of this stuff , it's hardly anything new .It seems convenient at a time when the poor are taking the biggest hits on belt tightening. 

 

I said Oliver himself wasn't in on it.  It's just that he and his ilk are used to indirectly and unintentionally  to portray the poor as feckless and in need of advice from we smug citizens who are in a rather more fortunate position .

 

Britain has a long tradition of stirring up class war by devious means to keep us divided and squabbling amonst ourselves.  

 

I know a few people who have chosen the benefits lifestyle so it definitely exists. It wasn't the cause of the recent recession however, and lumping the severely disabled in the same bracket as the wilfully unemployed was unfair.

 

The economy is recovering now anyway and I think soon we will start to see wages rising again.

[RobHawk]

I do agree with him to a point! But has anyone noticed the price of apples lately? Lucky to get half a dozen for under £2! Consider you can get 2 dozen doughnuts for £2 and work out the Math! 

 

Healthier isn't always cheaper!

[leicsmac]

It really doesn't if you know what you are doing, and is so much better for you health wise.

 

Fair enough. When I was out in the Far East I was making all my meals out of natural ingredients anyway as you couldn't really get processed stuff there, reckon it did do me good. It may well be cheaper, and like I said it depends on peoples time/motivation.

[Jon the Hat]

Yep, let's take everything the Government says at face value and trust them implicitly. Oh look, I can make generalisations too!

 

I rather like the idea of balance and individual free will to dissent and debate, thanks.

 

As for the matter itself - I think it's much of a muchness really. I would say making a healthy meal is around the same price as an unhealthy one once you add it all up, it just costs more in time and motivation.

 

I am not saying that, I am saying even ideas which are clearly good, and which everyone with half a brain agrees with - either from Government, opposition or otherwise - the left leaning elements of the media insist on finding a pressure groups to argue against it.  it is bullshit, becuase in order to achieve the "balance" they elevate utter bullshite to the same level as well researched statements, ideas and policy.  See the MMR debacle as a fine example.

[FoxesAreBlue]

Plus, when you cook your own natural ingredients it just ****ing tastes better that the absolute, chemical filled SHIT that comes out of a tray.

[ADK]

I am not saying that, I am saying even ideas which are clearly good, and which everyone with half a brain agrees with - either from Government, opposition or otherwise - the left leaning elements of the media insist on finding a pressure groups to argue against it.  it is bullshit, becuase in order to achieve the "balance" they elevate utter bullshite to the same level as well researched statements, ideas and policy.  See the MMR debacle as a fine example.

 

That's not just the "left" though is it?

[Kitchandro]

You mean they can't heat pasta in a saucepan full of water? Really?!

 

 

Of course they can, it doesn't mean they'll end up with a decent pasta meal though.

 

Maybe he does have a point, but not with the example he used.

[davieG]

I don't think he meant it as in Leicester market or that kind of thing. There's HUNDEREDS of mini-marts in Leicester selling fresh veg of all kinds.

I know but from my experience they're not that cheap.

[leicsmac]

I am not saying that, I am saying even ideas which are clearly good, and which everyone with half a brain agrees with - either from Government, opposition or otherwise - the left leaning elements of the media insist on finding a pressure groups to argue against it.  it is bullshit, becuase in order to achieve the "balance" they elevate utter bullshite to the same level as well researched statements, ideas and policy.  See the MMR debacle as a fine example.

 

Yeah, the MMR thing was truly horrific - Doctor Wakefield should be held personally responsible for every single instance of measles or mumps that results from non-immunisation and any deaths that result. Still can't believe that became so pervasive. Incidentally, the massive campaign on that score in this country was largely fought by everyones favourite right-wing newspaper.

 

That being said, I'd rather have good ideas challenged than bad ideas not challenged. It's interesting to hear the voice of dissent - if only to dismiss it as crackpot - because good researched views should be able to stand up to debate.

[MooseBreath]

Some lefties don't half get themselves in a mess.

Celebrity chef makes tv show aimed at educating people on how to make good food for less.

"Arrrrrrgh he's a government secret agent! All dat cheerfully delivered helpful advice on how to make da most out of your tinned tomatoes ain't nuffing but DA GOVVUNMANT PROPAGANDA MACHINE it makes yoo h8 da underclass n vote Tory OMG"

[leicsmac]

Some lefties don't half get themselves in a mess.

Celebrity chef makes tv show aimed at educating people on how to make good food for less.

"Arrrrrrgh he's a government secret agent! All dat cheerfully delivered helpful advice on how to make da most out of your tinned tomatoes ain't nuffing but DA GOVVUNMANT PROPAGANDA MACHINE it makes yoo h8 da underclass n vote Tory OMG"

 

No one here is suggesting JO is a Government stooge, not even Zing.   I think perhaps you're being a bit hyperbolic here.

[Zingari]

i think i livened this debate up a bit 

No one here is suggesting JO is a Government stooge, not even Zing.   I think perhaps you're being a bit hyperbolic here.

i think he's talking a load of hyperbollox 

[act smiley]

Food in the UK isn't particularly expensive & most of it is VAT exempt (compared to a lot of Europe where its taxed at a reduced rate) so its not like the government isn't doing what it can. Its pointless moaning about the cost of fresh fruit when bananas are 69p per kilo in Lidl.

 

The problem with cooking properly with no money isn't that its expensive per portion, but that it needs paying for up-front. Things like herbs, etc, you might use about 3p worth per portion but add up the cost of getting all the jars in the first place and its not so cheap.

[Zingari]

Meals on wheels has gone down hill lately .

The shite they send me you wouldn't give to a dog !

If it's so much cheaper to use fresh stuff , why don't those cvnts do it ?