Diving in the PL

[Captain...]

That is what you call a dive.

 

Obviously there was no contact, and Bale is/was a dirty diver...

 

...but, should Guzan be allowed to charge at a player, aim a kick at him, even if he doesn't follow through with the kick, you are bombing along and see that and think, "shit  I'm getting flattened here", you would try to avoid having your leg broken. watch the very last replay of it, did Guzan psyche Bale into diving, and should that be allowed?

[Haydos]

Obviously there was no contact, and Bale is/was a dirty diver...

 

...but, should Guzan be allowed to charge at a player, aim a kick at him, even if he doesn't follow through with the kick, you are bombing along and see that and think, "shit  I'm getting flattened here", you would try to avoid having your leg broken. watch the very last replay of it, did Guzan psyche Bale into diving, and should that be allowed?

 

That's what I argued at the time. And the reason why I think contact is irrelevant. If a player has to avoid or is expecting a foul/collision then him getting out of the way of that shouldn't be penalised.

 

In Bale's case it's iffy because he seemed to fall to ground more than avoid the challenge.

 

For the record I thought Sterling's was a stone waller, not soft. He's taken out his standing leg as he's making a change of direction to cut inside. Sterling must weigh about 9 stone wet through so it's not going to take much to wipe him out.

[Dan]

Match ban for anyone caught doing it after the game. That'll soon make them think twice.

 

It's a disgrace and the fact it's almost becoming accepted as the norm is ridiculous. I think for the first time ever I agree with Blatter.

[Bert]

That's what I argued at the time. And the reason why I think contact is irrelevant. If a player has to avoid or is expecting a foul/collision then him getting out of the way of that shouldn't be penalised.

In Bale's case it's iffy because he seemed to fall to ground more than avoid the challenge.

For the record I thought Sterling's was a stone waller, not soft. He's taken out his standing leg as he's making a change of direction to cut inside. Sterling must weigh about 9 stone wet through so it's not going to take much to wipe him out.

Fair point, but this is certainly a case of your reputation going before you.

[Dan]

I think this is really the only solution.

 

And I agree with the original poster, every time I hear "he had every right to go down" or "he should've gone down" it makes me cringe. It has seriously started to put me off football, particularly the Prem and the CL. The diving and the endless debate and drivel that follows on TV analysis. I can't think of another sport where such obvious, blatant cheating goes on so regularly and can change the outcome so dramatically. Can you imagine an American Football player feigning injury?

 

Can't rep this enough. Absolutely sickens me and sickens me more when you get actual fans defending this shit.

 

There are far too many grey areas in the rules IMO.

[Dan]

I didn't see it as a dive on motd 2, just a soft penalty, or am I mis-remembering?

 

Another one where 'he had every right to go down' because he was contacted on the shoulder (even though it was never enough to knock him over).

 

Wilson was an idiot for giving the referee a decision to make, as wrong as it is, he must know the risk, surely?

 

But I cannot bring myself to defend that as a penalty. So soft yet a technicality apparently makes it alright. It's easily as big an issue as goal-line technology for me because it's getting utterly ridiculous and more so by the week.

[Haydos]

Another one where 'he had every right to go down' because he was contacted on the shoulder (even though it was never enough to knock him over).

 

Wilson was an idiot for giving the referee a decision to make, as wrong as it is, he must know the risk, surely?

 

But I cannot bring myself to defend that as a penalty. So soft yet a technicality apparently makes it alright. It's easily as big an issue as goal-line technology for me because it's getting utterly ridiculous and more so by the week.

 

He wasn't hit on the shoulder, his standing foot was taken out like I said.

 

 

 

If that gif doesn't work then i'll find one when i get home.

[Dan]

He wasn't hit on the shoulder, his standing foot was taken out like I said.

 

 

 

If that gif doesn't work then i'll find one when i get home.

 

I'll watch it again and I may have got where he was contacted wrong, but I remember thinking it was another that was very soft.

 

The gif doesn't work but hardly any pictures do on this PC.

[Manwell Pablo]

As we all learnt in May of last year, the vast majority of you are fine with diving when the circumstances suit you. While fans are still condoning diving from their own players (as you all did) it'll always be an uphill battle. 

[Bert]

As we all learnt in May of last year, the vast majority of you are fine with diving when the circumstances suit you. While fans are still condoning diving from their own players (as you all did) it'll always be an uphill battle.

The Knockaert penalty is similar to the Sterling one.

[Carl the Llama]

As we all learnt in May of last year, the vast majority of you are fine with diving when the circumstances suit you. While fans are still condoning diving from their own players (as you all did) it'll always be an uphill battle. 

I still cringe when I see a replay of that 'penalty'.  Think we got what we deserved missing it.  Not what happened after that though.

 

But you're right, too many football fans turn a blind eye the second their team do anything untoward - the Premier League actually did a study on the matter: Codename Liverpool.

[Harry - LCFC]

In a sadistic sort of way I actually enjoy players getting booked for diving. Personally it's the form of cheating I hate most.

 

Also, players rolling around on the ground, exaggerating their 'pain' etc. should get booked. False cries of pain are similar to diving but instead of pretending to have been fouled the player is pretending to be hurt. Both are attempts to mislead the referee to gain an advantage i,e, both are forms of simulation and should be punished equally.

[Manwell Pablo]

The Knockaert penalty is similar to the Sterling one.

 

Well I can't watch the Sterling one, as I'm at work, but if that's true, that's a dive.

 

As I said at the time unless there is some nerve connected to his left shoulder blade that when brushed makes his knees give way and his arms flail up in the air it's a solid 6.

[Donut]

Its not so much punishing the dive thats the issue for me, its more a case of conclusively proving whether or not someone has dived/seeked to gain an advantage

[Haydos]

I'll watch it again and I may have got where he was contacted wrong, but I remember thinking it was another that was very soft.

 

The gif doesn't work but hardly any pictures do on this PC.

 

 

Well I can't watch the Sterling one, as I'm at work, but if that's true, that's a dive.

 

As I said at the time unless there is some nerve connected to his left shoulder blade that when brushed makes his knees give way and his arms flail up in the air it's a solid 6.

 

Found a gif of the sterling pen....

 

http://gfycat.com/ElasticAdeptCutworm

[Dan]

In fairness there is a trip there.

[anotherharboroughfox]

Also, players rolling around on the ground, exaggerating their 'pain' etc. should get booked. False cries of pain are similar to diving but instead of pretending to have been fouled the player is pretending to be hurt. Both are attempts to mislead the referee to gain an advantage i,e, both are forms of simulation and should be punished equally.

 

I can't actually believe that grown men roll around on the floor. It's cringeworthy.

[Manwell Pablo]

Found a gif of the sterling pen....

 

http://gfycat.com/ElasticAdeptCutworm

 

Could do with a better angle but I'd say that's nothing like Knockaerts at all. And not a penalty, stuggle to say it was a stone wall dive. 

 

Knockaert dived there are no if's but's or maybe's or get out clauses about it he threw himself to the floor and won the penalty and you either condone it or you don't.

[Dan]

Could do with a better angle but I'd say that's nothing like Knockaerts at all. And not a penalty, stuggle to say it was a stone wall dive. 

 

Knockaert dived there are no if's but's or maybe's or get out clauses about it he threw himself to the floor and won the penalty and you either condone it or you don't.

 

I don't condone it but how many times have we been told to 'get over it' when it's happened to us?

 

I don't remember a decision as big going against us admittedly, but it's the same principle.

[Uncle Albert]

That Januzaj has a terrible reputation already. 

 

Love that Suarez and no other Liverpool player has been booked for simulation this season.

[Captain...]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYhZjFQ2Urw

 

3:45 onwards

 

It is not a dive, he looks to cut across the defender, who puts he leg out to stop him, he is off balance due to the direction change and the nudge, which is nothing more, is enough to knock him off his feet, it is not a dive, whether it is a penalty or not really comes down to the rules and I don't know them well enough to say if it is a foul or not.

[Captain...]

That's what I argued at the time. And the reason why I think contact is irrelevant. If a player has to avoid or is expecting a foul/collision then him getting out of the way of that shouldn't be penalised.

 

In Bale's case it's iffy because he seemed to fall to ground more than avoid the challenge.

 

For the record I thought Sterling's was a stone waller, not soft. He's taken out his standing leg as he's making a change of direction to cut inside. Sterling must weigh about 9 stone wet through so it's not going to take much to wipe him out.

 

In the Bale incident, I think they both should have been booked, you can't run at someone and act to kick them, and you shouldn't dive to the floor like a big girl if there is no contact.

 

Fouls need to be judged on what the fouler has done and not on how the fouled reacts, for example, if you put any part of your body between the ball and the player controlling the ball without cleanly winning the ball it is a foul, regardless of whether the player brushes you off easily and runs off and scores, or throws themselves to the floor clutching their face.

[The Doctor]

In the Bale incident, I think they both should have been booked, you can't run at someone and act to kick them, and you shouldn't dive to the floor like a big girl if there is no contact.

 

Fouls need to be judged on what the fouler has done and not on how the fouled reacts, for example, if you put any part of your body between the ball and the player controlling the ball without cleanly winning the ball it is a foul, regardless of whether the player brushes you off easily and runs off and scores, or throws themselves to the floor clutching their face.

 

He's not acted to kick him though - Guzan has ran out to clear the ball and pulled out because he wasn't going to get there. Start booking people for that and games are going to be getting abandoned due to sending-offs on a weekly basis.

[RowlattsFox]

To me pretending to be injured is far more annoying than diving, but obviously both are a problem.

As been mentioned, sometimes you don't need to be touched to be fouled, but to then pretend to be injured is ridiculous.

[Fox in the North]

I always think if they roll over on the floor more than twice then they're faking it And if they persist with shouting and screaming, they evidently must be too injured so they should be subbed.