The Naysayers and Pessimists

[seenitall]

So basically, unless Pearson stays with us until his retirement, Seenitall will be popping up to claim he was 'right all along'.

 

FFS man, just appreciate the football we're playing, the good job he's doing and the most successful season we've had down in this shithole league for years. He's done infinitely better than any of the other jokers we've had in charge over the last ten years, just enjoy it. If you're not, how can you ever get any enjoyment out of watching Leicester City?

I assume this was meant  for the gallery rather than me but why should me being right worry you so much - I have been for the past three years and it hasn't worried you......

 

Again, the better than others point is redundant - who cares, he's not as good as the best we've had and we deserve that

[RumbleFox]

Hello treacle

 

Who dislikes Pearson, seems like a great bloke, good laugh, loved the Div 3 promotion season etc etc. Be honest with yourself though, can you see him surviving more than a few weeks in the Prem? Me neither and so we may get a manager of the calibre we deserve if we get up. If he can survive it then of course I will be delighted for the club but I am not so sure - still, wouldn't it be exciting to find out?

 

I am glad you lowered yourself to respond though because if I was 1. a troll, I would enjoy getting slagged to shit every time I disagreed with the masses (I don't) and 2. simply miserable - not loving a particular manager doesn't make me miserable - watching him serve up dire shite and finish mid table effectively year after year makes me miserable - i am quite happy for the past 6 games but was bordering on miserable when we looked poor and dropped out of automatic. See its simple - good Leicester = happy bad Leicester = miserable. I wish I could be shite Leicester = happy like the others on here but it doesn't work!

 

Sad that I look silly to you - may well PM you but that might be taken the wrong way.......

Hello again my dear

 

Saying you don't dislike Pearson doesn't make it true any more than saying God is real makes that true.  It is quite clear from your posts you are not a big fan of his.  That's fine, each to their own but you cannot argue with his record (in terms of games won, not yet in terms of promotion but who knows by the end of the season).  And why would he not last in the Prem?  He may or he may not but to be so assured of his failure is just arrogant.  He saved us from the lowest point in our history and almost won back to back promotions and was then sacked.  He then came back and didn't really do too well to begin with and almost fecked it up big time last year but most people could see he was moving in the right direction whilst cutting costs and creating a smaller, younger, hungrier team.  This year we seem to be reaping the rewards of sticking with him.  We are not there yet though as many folk point out and still the wheels may come off but even if they do you cannot argue he is a bad manager because he clearly is not.  I think what people get annoyed about is not that you dare to question Pearson but that you do it so regularly and with seeming relish.  Every slight chance you get to stick the boot in you do it and then when we do well you seem to go a little quiet.  We are better team and in a better position right now than we have been at any time since our fall from grace so even if he is not as good as you feel some of us make him out to be he clearly isn't as bad as you argue.

 

Anyway, why are we bothering to bicker so?  Life's too short to waste on internet forums isn't it?  Meet at the clock tower for ice creams and maybe a snuggle?

 

Up the Foxes!

 

X

[indierich06]

I assume this was meant for the gallery rather than me but why should me being right worry you so much - I have been for the past three years and it hasn't worried you......

Again, the better than others point is redundant - who cares, he's not as good as the best we've had and we deserve that

So every manager we ever employ should be as good as and achieve as much as our best manager, otherwise he's shit? Great logic.

[seenitall]

Hello again my dear

 

Saying you don't dislike Pearson doesn't make it true any more than saying God is real makes that true.  It is quite clear from your posts you are not a big fan of his.  That's fine, each to their own but you cannot argue with his record (in terms of games won, not yet in terms of promotion but who knows by the end of the season).  And why would he not last in the Prem?  He may or he may not but to be so assured of his failure is just arrogant.  He saved us from the lowest point in our history and almost won back to back promotions and was then sacked.  He then came back and didn't really do too well to begin with and almost fecked it up big time last year but most people could see he was moving in the right direction whilst cutting costs and creating a smaller, younger, hungrier team.  This year we seem to be reaping the rewards of sticking with him.  We are not there yet though as many folk point out and still the wheels may come off but even if they do you cannot argue he is a bad manager because he clearly is not.  I think what people get annoyed about is not that you dare to question Pearson but that you do it so regularly and with seeming relish.  Every slight chance you get to stick the boot in you do it and then when we do well you seem to go a little quiet.  We a better team and in a better position right now than we have been at any time since our fall from grace so even if he is not as good as you feel some of us make him out to be he clearly isn't is not as bad as you argue.

 

Anyway, why are we bothering to bicker so?  Life's to short to waste on internet forums isn't it?  Meet at the clock tower for ice creams and maybe a snuggle?

 

Up the Foxes!

 

X

 

Surely believing that NP is a great manager when he was clearly out of his depth a year or o ago is equally arrogant. TBH I don't really care about him at all, only the club so if we go up and he does well I guess he'll stay and I'll be happy that we are doing well (as I am at the moment) but the protectionism of him on here is shocking, to the point that when he was clearly losing the plot, people still believed - IN WHAT??? I couldn't see it - that he has started to get it right after a few years is great but nearly going up is not going up - he needs to deliver and for that reason the jury is still out - weren't we top last January as well?

 

As for not posting v posting - there is no way you can get that one right is there - I have never been one to post silly pictures or just say hooray all the time so tend to back off when we are doing well - perhaps that is what will win me some cudles eh, just posting COYB and In Nige We Treust ad nauseum like some of the fellas on here

 

COYB

IN Nige We Trust!!

 

       

[seenitall]

So every manager we ever employ should be as good as and achieve as much as our best manager, otherwise he's shit? Great logic.

 

If we are Chelsea, we keep sacking em until we get the old best one back or someone better, yes so , yes Rich, we should aim higher all the time, its only in the real world we should accept mundanity and mediocrity - I support City because I want us to be the next Man City not because I like shit football!!!

[MooseBreath]

In the post war era we've been in the top division about as much as we've been in the 2nd tier. So historically getting Leicester promoted isn't the worthy of the god-like status some fans have deemed appropriate for Pearson. Say what you like about the game changing but it is still the same game and we are still the same club. Infact a number of our current players were brought in during a short era where we were in a better position financially than we have ever been, so that gives Pearson a distinct advantage over past managers who achieved promotion without such a luxury.

I'm a big fan of Pearson but I won't be considering him anything more than an average Leicester manager until he gets us a top-15 finish in the prem.

[Finnaldo]

If we are Chelsea, we keep sacking em until we get the old best one back or someone better, yes so , yes Rich, we should aim higher all the time, its only in the real world we should accept mundanity and mediocrity - I support City because I want us to be the next Man City not because I like shit football!!!

So, plain honesty, where do you think we could finish highest realistically? With a budget of day £40-30 million and a manager of your choice (who would realistically come to a newly promoted Leicester)

[Finnaldo]

I'm a big fan of Pearson but I won't be considering him anything more than an average Leicester manager until he gets us a top-15 finish in the prem.

This.

As much as I detest the constant moaning, the brown nosing of Pearson is no better. He gets paid a pretty figure and what he has done so far is good, he is the best manager since O'Neill (which, to be fair, isn't really that hard when you think about it), but unless he gets us in a solid Premier League finish he's nothing more.

Will always praise him for getting out of League 1 first time, but he's got a way ahead of him to be a great Leicester manager.

[Monsell1976]

In the post war era we've been in the top division about as much as we've been in the 2nd tier. So historically getting Leicester promoted isn't the worthy of the god-like status some fans have deemed appropriate for Pearson. Say what you like about the game changing but it is still the same game and we are still the same club. Infact a number of our current players were brought in during a short era where we were in a better position financially than we have ever been, so that gives Pearson a distinct advantage over past managers who achieved promotion without such a luxury.

I'm a big fan of Pearson but I won't be considering him anything more than an average Leicester manager until he gets us a top-15 finish in the prem.

Good sensible post

[Monsell1976]

Nobody knows how Pearson will do in the premiership, and to be fair to seenitall I can see what he is saying.

Pearson this season has grown as a manager, but it's took him some years to make a good championship manager.

I feel he would have to learn very quickly to adapt to premiership football, as it's totally different to the levels he is used to, as the owners want us promoted, and become an established premiership side, as do us fans, but if we are struggling I fear time will not be a luxury he will get, and they would bring in someone with experience.

All this said Pearson has surprised me this season, and you never know if we do get promoted, he may surprise us all and have a strong season next year, but if he does get us up, he would have earnt the right to give it a go, I'm not his biggest fan but whatever happens good luck to him.

[Mark_w]

Pearson this season has grown as a manager, but it's took him some years to make a good championship manager.

 

If you're foolish enough to think that you have to be running away with the league to be a good Championship manager.

[Monsell1976]

If you're foolish enough to think that you have to be running away with the league to be a good Championship manager.

Oh so I'm a fool to believe he's not set the world alight since his return, and he hasn't ironed out many of his failings this season, and become a good manager.

Ok if you say I'm foolish I must be.

And just to make my point clear, it's not setting the world alight that makes him a good manager, it's consistency and right decision making, which in my opinion he lacked since his return.

[Mark_w]

Oh so I'm a fool to believe he's not set the world alight since his return, and he hasn't ironed out many of his failings this season, and become a good manager.

Ok if you say I'm foolish I must be.

 

I'm saying you're a fool if you believe he wasn't a good Championship manager before this season.

 

Took a pretty average side that had just won promotion from League One into the Play-Offs, cut costs at Hull and had them competing for a play-off place, cut costs here in his first full season back while improving our league position. Signs of a good Championship manager I think.

 

Do you think those of us that did, were wrong to suggest Pearson should stay last year? Do you think that we just thought that because we were blind to the fact that until this season he wasn't a good Championship manager or do you think maybe we had a good reason to believe that? Perhaps you were wrong about him prior to this season?

[Monsell1976]

I'm saying you're a fool if you believe he wasn't a good Championship manager before this season.

Took a pretty average side that had just won promotion from League One into the Play-Offs, cut costs at Hull and had them competing for a play-off place, cut costs here in his first full season back while improving our league position. Signs of a good Championship manager I think.

Do you think those of us that did, were wrong to suggest Pearson should stay last year? Do you think that we just thought that because we were blind to the fact that until this season he wasn't a good Championship manager or do you think maybe we had a good reason to believe that? Perhaps you were wrong about him prior to this season?

I stand by what I said last season, I thought he was average since his return, and he did inherit some deadwood, but also inherited some very good players.

You must be a fool to believe that he never had major failings last season, but again he has like I said grown this season and ironed out his failings.

I will not say I was hasty about him last season, the criticism he got he deserved, he went from playing great football, to not having a clue how to stop a free fall.

As it turns out he's progressed as a manager, and has done a good job this season so far, with little or no crisis, but like last season in some fans eyes Pearson is god and can't be critised, but saying that I was praising the bloke, and still you feel the need to defend his management style from previous season, and bring up a debate that has been dragged out for a year.

Get over it, some thought he was the messiah returning, and some of us didn't rate him at the time.

As it stands as a city fan I am pleased he has progressed and we are doing well

[Finnaldo]

I stand by what I said last season, I thought he was average since his return, and he did inherit some deadwood, but also inherited some very good players.

You must be a fool to believe that he never had major failings last season, but again he has like I said grown this season and ironed out his failings.

I will not say I was hasty about him last season, the criticism he got he deserved, he went from playing great football, to not having a clue how to stop a free fall.

As it turns out he's progressed as a manager, and has done a good job this season so far, with little or no crisis, but like last season in some fans eyes Pearson is god and can't be critised, but saying that I was praising the bloke, and still you feel the need to defend his management style from previous season, and bring up a debate that has been dragged out for a year.

Get over it, some thought he was the messiah returning, and some of us didn't rate him at the time.

As it stands as a city fan I am pleased he has progressed and we are doing well

But the failings he had last year were the first time we saw that. I'm not disagreeing that it was a pretty catastrophic run and several things went seriously wrong, but if you look over his entire managerial career it's a blip.

You could say that he has no idea to stop a free falling team, but you look at Southampton before he came here who he saved at the expense of us.

It would be interesting to see how he gets on at Premier League level but if he's still managing to get us playing this football with higher quality players then he may well prosper (IF we go up, of course).

[Mark_w]

I stand by what I said last season, I thought he was average since his return, and he did inherit some deadwood, but also inherited some very good players.

You must be a fool to believe that he never had major failings last season, but again he has like I said grown this season and ironed out his failings.

I will not say I was hasty about him last season, the criticism he got he deserved, he went from playing great football, to not having a clue how to stop a free fall.

As it turns out he's progressed as a manager, and has done a good job this season so far, with little or no crisis, but like last season in some fans eyes Pearson is god and can't be critised, but saying that I was praising the bloke, and still you feel the need to defend his management style from previous season, and bring up a debate that has been dragged out for a year.

Get over it, some thought he was the messiah returning, and some of us didn't rate him at the time.

As it stands as a city fan I am pleased he has progressed and we are doing well

 

I didn't say he had no failings, or that he couldn't be criticised, I said it was foolish to say he wasn't a good Championship manager before this season. Based on the foundations he put in place last year, while continuing to improve our position every season he was in charge, it's clear that he has always been a good Championship manager. A bad Championship manager doesn't get Weale, Morrison, Hobbs, Brown, Berner, Oakley, Wellens, King, Dyer, Fryatt, Howard into the Play-Offs, nor does an average manager. We did well over the course of last season, cutting costs significantly and building a young squad that was only ever going to improve as long as the owners were sensible and allowed Pearson to continue the work he was doing (as many were saying at the time, I think they've been proved right so far this season). Not a lot has changed from last season, the group of players is more experienced and clever additions have improved the mentality of the squad, but Pearson hasn't made huge changes to his approach. He was a good Championship manager during his first season with us, last season (not saying he had no failings, obviously the second half of the season wasn't good but over the course of the season we still did what the majority of fans thought we should have done) and he's still a good Championship manager this season. He's a better manager now without a doubt, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a good Championship manager last season. We wouldn't be where we are now without the good work he did last season, even though it wasn't perfect, it was still a good season.

[Monsell1976]

But the failings he had last year were the first time we saw that. I'm not disagreeing that it was a pretty catastrophic run and several things went seriously wrong, but if you look over his entire managerial career it's a blip.

You could say that he has no idea to stop a free falling team, but you look at Southampton before he came here who he saved at the expense of us.

It would be interesting to see how he gets on at Premier League level but if he's still managing to get us playing this football with higher quality players then he may well prosper (IF we go up, of course).

I did say in the earlier post he may surprise us if we go up, and would have earnt the right to have a go at it.

I think you could be right, with a bit of premiership quality added, and the no fear, free flowing football we have seen this season, we might just stay up there.

Going back to Pearson quality, I have never stated Pearson was a poor manager, but up until this season I thought he was average, some suggested he was a lot poorer than he was, but I thought he was a steady championship manager, not one to get us promoted, it is looking that he/ they have learnt from last seasons failing, and have proved me and others wrong.

[Monsell1976]

I didn't say he had no failings, or that he couldn't be criticised, I said it was foolish to say he wasn't a good Championship manager before this season. Based on the foundations he put in place last year, while continuing to improve our position every season he was in charge, it's clear that he has always been a good Championship manager. A bad Championship manager doesn't get Weale, Morrison, Hobbs, Brown, Berner, Oakley, Wellens, King, Dyer, Fryatt, Howard into the Play-Offs, nor does an average manager. We did well over the course of last season, cutting costs significantly and building a young squad that was only ever going to improve as long as the owners were sensible and allowed Pearson to continue the work he was doing (as many were saying at the time, I think they've been proved right so far this season). Not a lot has changed from last season, the group of players is more experienced and clever additions have improved the mentality of the squad, but Pearson hasn't made huge changes to his approach. He was a good Championship manager during his first season with us, last season (not saying he had no failings, obviously the second half of the season wasn't good but over the course of the season we still did what the majority of fans thought we should have done) and he's still a good Championship manager this season. He's a better manager now without a doubt, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a good Championship manager last season. We wouldn't be where we are now without the good work he did last season, even though it wasn't perfect, it was still a good season.

I did say since his return he's been average, not bad.

I think we had different opinions on him and could be here all day debating it.

I am glad the owners stuck with him now, but if last season was part of the bigger plan, he is lucky they had patience with him, under many owners he would have gone with the results second half of last season.

I think It's time to agree to disagree.

[fuchsntf]

Didn't say we'd remotely looked like going up but the failures after Adams was ousted were diabolical and we should have been challenging immediately afterwards.....the last 6 or 7 years have been a joke all round, the saddest thing being the lowering ( by the club no less) of the fans expectations - there have never been a more easily satisfied bunch of line toe- ers in the history of the club (well in the 40 years I have been following). We seem to be turning it around now but 11 years FFS

Easy, go for the manager's job, or better still donate your mothed filled wallet, bcos your so full of it you must be rich...

Or be a scout and find the players you think we can easily afford and are willing to turn out those performances you expect.

[seenitall]

Easy, go for the manager's job, or better still donate your mothed filled wallet, bcos your so full of it you must be rich...

Or be a scout and find the players you think we can easily afford and are willing to turn out those performances you expect.

You can't even spell your username !!!!!!

[fuchsntf]

You can't even spell your username !!!!!!

Renardntf, fuchsntf, foxntf, zorrontf, lomrintf, volpentf.......its all greek to me.

[inckley fox]

In the post war era we've been in the top division about as much as we've been in the 2nd tier. So historically getting Leicester promoted isn't the worthy of the god-like status some fans have deemed appropriate for Pearson. Say what you like about the game changing but it is still the same game and we are still the same club. Infact a number of our current players were brought in during a short era where we were in a better position financially than we have ever been, so that gives Pearson a distinct advantage over past managers who achieved promotion without such a luxury.

I'm a big fan of Pearson but I won't be considering him anything more than an average Leicester manager until he gets us a top-15 finish in the prem.

 

I'm not sure I agree with that, not even in the context of our history.

 

You say only promotion and a top 15 finish would make him an above average manager. His promotion from L1 aside (and, really, it shouldn't be), a quick glance at 'Fossils and Foxes' doesn't reveal many post-war managers who have taken us up and established us as a mid-table side, or higher.

 

O'Farrell and Little quit shortly after promotion; Bullock, Wallace and Adams took us straight back down. Halliday narrowly kept us in the top flight after promotion, Milne took us up and had a few years of relegation struggles; only O'Neill has ever taken us up and convincingly kept us there. Even if we place his tenure in the greater context of the history of our club (rather than the more relevant context of the most miserable decade in our history) he could walk out the day after we win promotion and his record would still stand up against the vast bulk of our past managers.

 

He's got to do it first, though. If he doesn't our squad could fall apart, the investment would have counted for nothing, and he'd go down as an also-ran.

[Kitchandro]

If we are Chelsea, we keep sacking em until we get the old best one back or someone better, yes so , yes Rich, we should aim higher all the time, its only in the real world we should accept mundanity and mediocrity - I support City because I want us to be the next Man City not because I like shit football!!!

 

'Me neither and so we may get a manager of the calibre we deserve if we get up.'

 

It's funny you should mention Chelsea because you seem to think that's who we are. You certainly sound like a Chelsea fan. What calibre of manager should we get?  Cos I've got news for you deary, there aren't a great many consistent managers out there, and there will be few out of that small selection who will be desperate for the Leicester job.

 

I don't really want you associated with my club tbh. You're a spoilt brat of a 'fan' who can't see a good thing when we've got it. You think we deserve a better calibre manager, well I'm afraid you're not living in the real world there, mate.

 

Frankly, on the field, I couldn't be happier. And I'm not bothered about next season right now. We live in the present. At present Pearson's doing great, and if he gets us up there'll be no one more deserving of a full Premiership season in charge. And if he leaves, we'll have a short list of managers with questionable records to choose from.

 

I emplore you to go an support Chelsea with all the other miserable, arrogant, unrealistic halfwits who seemed to have only started watching football in the last 10 years. Because if you carry on with the same attitude for your Leicester-supporting life, you'll never, ever be happy. And I can 100% guarantee you of that.

[Oxfordfox83]

Surely believing that NP is a great manager when he was clearly out of his depth a year or o ago is equally arrogant. TBH I don't really care about him at all, only the club so if we go up and he does well I guess he'll stay and I'll be happy that we are doing well (as I am at the moment) but the protectionism of him on here is shocking, to the point that when he was clearly losing the plot, people still believed - IN WHAT??? I couldn't see it - that he has started to get it right after a few years is great but nearly going up is not going up - he needs to deliver and for that reason the jury is still out - weren't we top last January as well?

As for not posting v posting - there is no way you can get that one right is there - I have never been one to post silly pictures or just say hooray all the time so tend to back off when we are doing well - perhaps that is what will win me some cudles eh, just posting COYB and In Nige We Treust ad nauseum like some of the fellas on here

COYB

IN Nige We Trust!!

In this. We saw the seeds of this season happening. We saw progress, growing a team (not just eleven players). We saw, for the first time since O'Neill, a manager improving our side, not just for this season but for years to come. Not that Feb-Apr wasn't horrific, and felt at times like a tunnel with no light, but a glint of light came at Forest and against Watford. Because costs had been drastically cut, because the players were bought with a plan for the future, because the club (these players and this manager) massively underachieved for nearly half a season and we still came a penalty away from Wembley, we kept faith with NP. That's 'IN WHAT???'

As our forum's most articulate WUM, it's always a pleasure to read your posts, drivel though they frequently are, but the thing that makes no sense is the adherence to Sven. Surely if you're claiming to be a fan rather than a troll, you have to say Nigel has built a squad with a future, which Sven didn't even try to do.

[Kitchandro]

I'm not sure I agree with that, not even in the context of our history.

 

You say only promotion and a top 15 finish would make him an above average manager. His promotion from L1 aside (and, really, it shouldn't be), a quick glance at 'Fossils and Foxes' doesn't reveal many post-war managers who have taken us up and established us as a mid-table side, or higher.

 

O'Farrell and Little quit shortly after promotion; Bullock, Wallace and Adams took us straight back down. Halliday narrowly kept us in the top flight after promotion, Milne took us up and had a few years of relegation struggles; only O'Neill has ever taken us up and convincingly kept us there. Even if we place his tenure in the greater context of the history of our club (rather than the more relevant context of the most miserable decade in our history) he could walk out the day after we win promotion and his record would still stand up against the vast bulk of our past managers.

 

He's got to do it first, though. If he doesn't our squad could fall apart, the investment would have counted for nothing, and he'd go down as an also-ran.

 

I understand your sentiment but you've completely obliterated 2 whole decades from our history there. The majority of the 60s and 70s under Gillies and Bloomfield were spent in the top flight, and we were just as established a top flight side then than under O'Neill, arguably more, we had better players for the relative era and stayed there longer.

 

O'Neill's achievements are always talked about but that was more to do with them being in the Premiership era. It annoys me when people call us yoyo club, when in most people's living memory we've actually yoyoed very little. Up-down-up or down-up-down 3 times in about 50 years is hardly yoyoing. We've had a couple of long spells out the top flight and a couple of long spells in it.

 

I think the second bit in bold sums it up though.