Rincewind Posted 24 January 2014 Author Posted 24 January 2014 I don't mind the frivleness. I did notice it was Australia but I assume it appliesin most countries. I only got 25% battery life left so cannot spend too much time searching. Done with this now anyway can't add anything else. People are entitle to disagree but my op just pointed out that the cost of services for homelessness was more than housing and support. I if taking the cheaper option is wrong then I am not surprised the ecomomny is up shit creek.
StanSP Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 There'll be several forums soon and that won't please some people.
The God Emperor Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 I thought most homeless people were homeless due to things like mental illness and such. is just giving them a house going to solve those problems?
Unabomber Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 You ever been to the bridge in Leicester Ken?
Rincewind Posted 24 January 2014 Author Posted 24 January 2014 I thought most homeless people were homeless due to things like mental illness and such. is just giving them a house going to solve those problems? True and the best way to prevent it is help before it happens but this will be more and more difficult when access to help is lost. http://downnotoutleicester.wordpress.com/2014/01/24/poverty-and-homelessness-action-week-comes-to-leicester/
Strokes Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 True and the best way to prevent it is help before it happens but this will be more and more difficult when access to help is lost. http://downnotoutleicester.wordpress.com/2014/01/24/poverty-and-homelessness-action-week-comes-to-leicester/ Can't we just turn them all into pedigree chum? Dog food is getting a bit expensive nowadays.
The God Emperor Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 Soylent Pedigreen is made out of people!
Merging Cultures Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 Lesotho?!? You're that chancer who turned up doing the dodgy sign language interpreting at Mandela's memorial service, aren't you? Haha! You should see the sign language I'm doing right now! I'll manage matt's loan portfolio in Leicester no problem. Just a small management fee...
Jon the Hat Posted 25 January 2014 Posted 25 January 2014 Oh shit!!! So homeless people are not just those on the streets sleeping rough? If you are in temporary accommodation provided by the state or charities you are homeless ? Shit half the world would love that level of comfort and certainty about their future .
Rincewind Posted 25 January 2014 Author Posted 25 January 2014 https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZm4qrg-sqyW2AEvCKXTTJEwOJ-FaQ2D9POHPddbYbgdZiUnw4Aw
lavrentis Posted 25 January 2014 Posted 25 January 2014 Rincey, If I was on the the breadline, paying for rent or a mortgage, could I just sell up and turn homeless and then get a free house? Will defo solve homelessness this scheme
Rincewind Posted 26 January 2014 Author Posted 26 January 2014 Rincey, If I was on the the breadline, paying for rent or a mortgage, could I just sell up and turn homeless and then get a free house? Will defo solve homelessness this scheme Am I missing something? I posted a link to a scheme that reduces homelessness and helps people back to work at a fraction of the cost to keep them without a permanent address and it is criticised. how many employers take on people who put down no fixed abode on applications over one that has a home? Don't answer with 'Oh but they are all druggies or alchies.' That is like saying all French sell onions or all Englishmen carry umbrellas and wear bowler hats/ Think.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 He has a point tho Ken. Not having a go at you Ken but you talk all about homlessness and how easy it can be fixed. Then you don't state how it's going to be funded or what the finer details are.
Rincewind Posted 26 January 2014 Author Posted 26 January 2014 He has a point tho Ken. Not having a go at you Ken but you talk all about homlessness and how easy it can be fixed. Then you don't state how it's going to be funded or what the finer details are. The article has stated that it has cost less than it being ignored continually. This trend makes Utah’s accomplishment even more noteworthy. In eight years, Utah has quietly reduced homelessness by 78 percent, and is on track to end homelessness by 2015. How did Utah accomplish this? Simple. Utah solved homelessness by giving people homes. In 2005, Utah figured out that the annual cost of E.R. visits and jail stays for homeless people was about $16,670 per person, compared to $11,000 to provide each homeless person with an apartment and a social worker. So, the state began giving away apartments, with no strings attached. Each participant in Utah’s Housing First program also gets a caseworker to help them become self-sufficient, but they keep the apartment even if they fail. The program has been so successful that other states are hoping to achieve similar results with programs modeled on Utah’s. It sounds like Utah borrowed a page from Homes Not Handcuffs, the 2009 report by The National Law Center on Homelessness & Poverty and The National Coalition for the Homeless. Using a 2004 survey and anecdotal evidence from activists, the report concluded that permanent housing for the homeless is cheaper than criminalization. Housing is not only more human, it’s economical.
Webbo Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 It was on radio Leicester just after Christmas that there was only 2 people in Leicester sleeping rough and they were offered help but turned it down.
MooseBreath Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 Am I missing something? I posted a link to a scheme that reduces homelessness and helps people back to work at a fraction of the cost to keep them without a permanent address and it is criticised. how many employers take on people who put down no fixed abode on applications over one that has a home? Don't answer with 'Oh but they are all druggies or alchies.' That is like saying all French sell onions or all Englishmen carry umbrellas and wear bowler hats/ Think. The link you posted said absolutely nothing about helping people back into work. Can you explain exactly what is the difference between that scheme and housing benefit in this country?
MooseBreath Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 It was on radio Leicester just after Christmas that there was only 2 people in Leicester sleeping rough and they were offered help but turned it down. So there's about 100 times more people earning money from working for homeless charities than there are actual homeless people. Brilliant stuff.
Zingari Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 It was on radio Leicester just after Christmas that there was only 2 people in Leicester sleeping rough and they were offered help but turned it down. someone is not being honest http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicester-city-homelessness-figures-double/story-15232821-detail/story.html
The God Emperor Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 The article has stated that it has cost less than it being ignored continually. This trend makes Utah’s accomplishment even more noteworthy. In eight years, Utah has quietly reduced homelessness by 78 percent, and is on track to end homelessness by 2015. How did Utah accomplish this? Simple. Utah solved homelessness by giving people homes. In 2005, Utah figured out that the annual cost of E.R. visits and jail stays for homeless people was about $16,670 per person, compared to $11,000 to provide each homeless person with an apartment and a social worker. So, the state began giving away apartments, with no strings attached. Each participant in Utah’s Housing First program also gets a caseworker to help them become self-sufficient, but they keep the apartment even if they fail. The program has been so successful that other states are hoping to achieve similar results with programs modeled on Utah’s. It sounds like Utah borrowed a page from Homes Not Handcuffs, the 2009 report by The National Law Center on Homelessness & Poverty and The National Coalition for the Homeless. Using a 2004 survey and anecdotal evidence from activists, the report concluded that permanent housing for the homeless is cheaper than criminalization. Housing is not only more human, it’s economical. isnt there supposed to be a housing shortage though. thats my the much maligned bedroom tax is being called unfair, so how are where are we supposed house the homeless? in Utah where there will be an abundance of space it would be possible to construct new cheap housing. this wouldnt be the case here where a lot of the land where housing could be built is being used for other purposes.
The Doctor Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 Kenny Dud Kenny Dud Thinks Utahs a right wing state, It's very much a red state - governer, lieutenant governer, both senators & 3 of the 4 house delegates are republicans, and the republicans have won it in all 4 of the last elections.
Webbo Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 someone is not being honest http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicester-city-homelessness-figures-double/story-15232821-detail/story.html That's almost 2 years ago.
Rincewind Posted 26 January 2014 Author Posted 26 January 2014 It's very much a red state - governer, lieutenant governer, both senators & 3 of the 4 house delegates are republicans, and the republicans have won it in all 4 of the last elections. matt i was quoting the article so it is not a matter of me 'thinking' but a fact.Read the last paragraph. Need a spade?
The Doctor Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 I was quoting the article so it is not a matter of me 'thinking' but a fact. Read the last paragraph. Need a spade? Ken, read back quickly. Notice how I was agreeing with you?
Rincewind Posted 26 January 2014 Author Posted 26 January 2014 Ken, read back quickly. Notice how I was agreeing with you? I know. Can't reply to matt directly.
Zingari Posted 26 January 2014 Posted 26 January 2014 That's almost 2 years ago. Yes but if you heard it before last xmas ( last year), they would be reporting the figures from the previous year too. But thats not really the point, if what you say is true . They said there were only 2 homeless people sleeping rough in the county and they refused to be housed . But that must only have been after the other 48 had been successfully housed in the very recent past . They reported the story in a way that leads the listener to infer that the homeless don't want to be housed , which i doubt very much is the case .
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