Trav Le Bleu Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 Lucky this debate is on Sky and not the BBC. The chair has done a great job Yes, because Sky has no political agenda whatsoever.
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 Don't think that will have changed any opinions. Both come out of it very well, both camps will think their own man won. Anyone got an idea why they threw a gay marriage question into it? What did that have to do with Europe?
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 Jon Ashworth has just been on the Sky Euro debate and started on the cost of living crisis! Kicked off after 2 mins lol
adam1 Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 Yes, because Sky has no political agenda whatsoever. I would vote your post up 1000 times if I could.
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 Yougov political representative result. Farage 57% Clegg 36% Don't know 7% Most incredible one was 41-51 split on Labour voters, I think the left clearly has far more eurosceptic thinkers than the media let's on.
LJS Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 I'll watch this later on. Interesting (and surprising) that public support for remaining in the EU has grown significantly in the last year. A YouGov poll released today shows people wanting to stay in by a margin of 42 to 36, albeit with a large number of 'don't knows'. It was 47/30 the other way around back in May 2013. I think that might be related to the economic recovery. Support for the EU (across the continent) is historically lower when times are hard, presumably because people feel their governments should look inwards. I think whoever said this debate is unlikely to change minds has it right. I'm passionately for in and there's no way listening to Farage will change that. I'm sure it's the same for Eurosceptics with Clegg. Mike Smithson makes the interesting point that the biggest losers from this might well be the Tories. If the exposure Farage gets from the debates allows UKIP to attract more of the Eurosceptic vote then Cameron is in real trouble next year. I'm surprised that people seem to think the chairing of this would be better than anything the BBC could offer up. I have no issue with Ferrari - he's a half decent broadcaster - but somebody like Dimbleby would be great too. Do we know if he's chairing the Beeb version?
DennisNedry Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 What is Sky's agenda? I've never watched anything by Sky except for Sports. Since BBC is massively left wing, I assume Sky is more right wing...?
Webbo Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 By 57% to 36% those who watched the first live EU debate say Nigel Farage bettered Nick Clegg, a YouGov poll for The Sun finds Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg and UKIP leader Nigel Farage went head-to-head this Wednesday in the first of two debates about the future of Britain’s relationship with the E.U. A YouGov poll conducted for The Sun finds that 57% of people who watched the debate say Nigel Farage performed better overall. 36% give the edge to Nick Clegg and 6% don't know. The poll is weighted to be representative politically and by attitudes to EU membership. The 60-minute debate was broadcast live on LBC and Sky News. The second debate will be on the BBC next Wednesday, April 2. Didn't watch it myself so can't comment.
LJS Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 People should stop looking at Europe as a left/right issue. It isn't. Tony Benn and Bob Crow were anti-EU, for example, whilst Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine are pro.
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 What is Sky's agenda? I've never watched anything by Sky except for Sports. Since BBC is massively left wing, I assume Sky is more right wing...? Lefties generally believe it's right leaning due to the fact Murdoch leads it. Which is obviously baffling given his support for Labour over the last twenty years. In reality it's quite centrist, so obviously looks very right wing when compared to the BBC.
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 People should stop looking at Europe as a left/right issue. It isn't. Tony Benn and Bob Crow were anti-EU, for example, whilst Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine are pro. Agree, polls are consistently proving that a lot on the left are anti EU. It's about time Miliband allowed them to speak up in the interest of democracy.
purpleronnie Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 I dislike UKIP very much, but Farage is very good in front of the camera, there were moments when clegg was doing well, then it swung the other way. It's very difficult to look at these debates with an unbalanced viewpoint because if you aren't a Lib dem fan then your more likely to agree with Farage and vice versa. I'd give it to farage...just.... but it simply won't make any difference, their policies are what will get them votes. I hope people do read their polcies not just the immigration and EU one's.
bovril Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 I bet they both go for a pint of real ale afterwards to discuss crumpet and screwing the poor.
bovril Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 Just watched a bit of it. Does anybody else think Farage's accent is getting more estuary, Tony Blair style?
Mark_w Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 I hope people do read their polcies not just the immigration and EU one's. I don't think many people would be taking UKIP seriously if they had read their policies.
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 I don't think many people would be taking UKIP seriously if they had read their policies. Still would be taken more seriously than Labour's judging by the comments and predictions of Ed and Ed over the last couple of years though.
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 And pedantic I know, but UKIP don't actually have a manifesto to read yet.
LJS Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 I've just watched the short clip of this on the BBC site and I'm not at all surprised that Farage is deemed to have won. Forget the content, it's the style. Clegg comes across as robotic and without charisma. A scripted politician, in other words. Farage, who I don't believe for a minute is any different to the rest of them, comes across as more personable, more normal. Much better at reading his script. Fair enough, really.
Mark_w Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 And pedantic I know, but UKIP don't actually have a manifesto to read yet. They have a list of issues though, most of which are ridiculous.
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 I've just watched the short clip of this on the BBC site and I'm not at all surprised that Farage is deemed to have won. Forget the content, it's the style. Clegg comes across as robotic and without charisma. A scripted politician, in other words. Farage, who I don't believe for a minute is any different to the rest of them, comes across as more personable, more normal. Much better at reading his script. Fair enough, really. You saw a perfect example of that at the end. Sky tried to get interviews with both leaving the venue, Clegg walked past flanked by bouncers and said "no comment", Farage stood on the steps for a good 3-4 minutes answering everyone's question. The career politicians like Clegg can't do PR anymore, they have been drained of any normality and charisma by the Westminster bubble. They have a list of issues though, most of which are ridiculous. So do all the parties is you look deep enough.
Mark_w Posted 26 March 2014 Posted 26 March 2014 So do all the parties is you look deep enough. Probably true, you don't have to look that deep with UKIP though.
Strokes Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 Probably true, you don't have to look that deep with UKIP though.Can you list some of these ridiculous issues, it shouldn't take too long.
Mark_w Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 Can you list some of these ridiculous issues, it shouldn't take too long. 'No to Political Correctness - it stifles free speech.' (This is probably my favourite, unbelievable hypocrisy) 'Teach children positive messages and pride in their country.' (I think it'd be better to tell children the truth and let them decide for themselves ) 'Remove the UK from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights.' (No thanks) 'Make cuts to foreign aid that are real and rigorous.' ( ) 'Scrap HS2, all green taxes and wind turbine subsidies.' ( ) 'Proof of private health insurance must be a precondition for immigrants and tourists to enter the UK.' (So no really poor people, I assume that includes asylum seekers?) 'Immigrants must financially support themselves and their dependents for 5 years. This means private health insurance (except emergency medical care), private education and private housing - they should pay into the pot before they take out of it.' (See above) Here's the full list of ridiculous issues: http://www.ukip.org/issues
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