kingcarr21 Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 Its really down to what you mean by 'best' If we talk about quality then for me La Liga is the best. Real,Barca and Atletico would dick on the english teams. For entertainment value (the wrong kind of entertainment if you ask me such as manager headbutts and fans booing winning sides) then the prem is the best at doing that.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 La Liga is very strong atm but it's not way better than the Prem. There's not a lot in it. It's not like moving from Scotland to England. Might as well just stay in England. More players move from Spain to England than vice versa anyway (Mata, Silva, Cazorla, Navas, Negredo, Torres, Azpilicueta, Alonso, Fabregas, Reyes etc)
Guest MattP Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 Which is then? Spain, by a country mile. The bottom ten in the EPL would be relegated in Spain. La Liga is very strong atm but it's not way better than the Prem. There's not a lot in it. It's not like moving from Scotland to England. Might as well just stay in England. More players move from Spain to England than vice versa anyway (Mata, Silva, Cazorla, Navas, Negredo, Torres, Azpilicueta, Alonso, Fabregas, Reyes etc) They are not top class by La Liga standards though, Xavi and Iniesta wouldn't have came here.
Manwell Pablo Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 La Liga is very strong atm but it's not way better than the Prem. There's not a lot in it. It's not like moving from Scotland to England. Might as well just stay in England. More players move from Spain to England than vice versa anyway (Mata, Silva, Cazorla, Navas, Negredo, Torres, Azpilicueta, Alonso, Fabregas, Reyes etc) Who said way better, I just said better, which it is.
kingcarr21 Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 La Liga is very strong atm but it's not way better than the Prem. There's not a lot in it. It's not like moving from Scotland to England. Might as well just stay in England. More players move from Spain to England than vice versa anyway (Mata, Silva, Cazorla, Navas, Negredo, Torres, Azpilicueta, Alonso, Fabregas, Reyes etc) I wonder what influence the money had on there decisions
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 Spain, by a country mile. The bottom ten in the EPL would be relegated in Spain. They are not top class by La Liga standards though, Xavi and Iniesta wouldn't have came here. The bottom ten in Spain would be relegated in England you mean. They all play or have played for Spain so I'd say they are pretty good. Who said way better, I just said better, which it is. MattP did.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 I wonder what influence the money had on there decisions Probably was the main reason why they came and that's why the Prem is stronger overall IMO. La Liga is so financially dominated by Real and Barca that it makes the rest of the league weaker.
Guest MattP Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 The bottom ten in Spain would be relegated in England you mean. They all play or have played for Spain so I'd say they are pretty good. Crystal Palace look like they are staying up and you have the gall to say that. You clearly don't watch any La Liga so their is no point arguing, you keep listening to Sky Sports News and believing what you are spoon fed.
Corky Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 Bottom 10 in La Liga: Granada Vallecano Celta Vigo Malaga Elche Almeria Osasuna Getafe Valladolid Betis How do you reckon they'd do in the Premier League, Matt?
kingcarr21 Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 Probably was the main reason why they came and that's why the Prem is stronger overall IMO. La Liga is so financially dominated by Real and Barca that it makes the rest of the league weaker. Surely the same can be said about the prem. Man u,Man city,chelsea are financially dominating (maybe not so much man u this season performance wise but they have still spent big) and the rest of the league are weaker. La Liga you could argue have better top teams compared to the prem, weaker chasing teams ie the likes of sevilla,bilbao being the arsenals/liverpools and weaker lower teams to the prem (arguably) But for someone who maybe a neutral who wants to watch entertaining football wont go lower than the top teams and real,barca and atletico play much better and more entertaining football than any team in the prem.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 Surely the same can be said about the prem. Man u,Man city,chelsea are financially dominating (maybe not so much man u this season performance wise but they have still spent big) and the rest of the league are weaker. La Liga you could argue have better top teams compared to the prem, weaker chasing teams ie the likes of sevilla,bilbao being the arsenals/liverpools and weaker lower teams to the prem (arguably) TV deal comparison
Haydos Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 Spain, by a country mile. The bottom ten in the EPL would be relegated in Spain. They are not top class by La Liga standards though, Xavi and Iniesta wouldn't have came here. I reckon that's more of a Barca thing though. Ozil came to Arsenal of all clubs.
ScouseFox Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 bar the top 3 in spain, who are all a little bit better than our current top 3 in england it's all much of a muchness. la liga 6th, sociedad, got beaten by united who are having their worst season since bread was sliced. valencia, mid table la liga, beat swansea just in one game and got whacked by them in another. their top top teams are marginally better than ours, i'd say our good teams are marginally better than theirs (arsenal, everton, spurs and united would, and have, beat sevilla, socieded or villereal for example). the bottom half of both leagues are shit 90% of the time but might occasionally nick a draw off chelsea or a draw off barca etc whilst all beating each other in dull 1-0s.
Guest MattP Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 Bottom 10 in La Liga: Granada Vallecano Celta Vigo Malaga Elche Almeria Osasuna Getafe Valladolid Betis How do you reckon they'd do in the Premier League, Matt? Think Granada would be pushing Soton to be honest, watched them destroy Atletico the other week 3-0, a fantastic young football team. Been making a fortune on them on the coupons this year as the English bookies have no idea how good they are and keep improving. You still get 2/1 on them half the time to beat "bigger name" sides like Celta Vigo and Malaga. Only seen the rest a handful of times max so hard to compare, I's back them all (maybe bar Betis who can be awful) to finish above Palace though. . la liga 6th, sociedad, got beaten by united who are having their worst season since bread was sliced. valencia, mid table la liga, beat swansea just in one game and got whacked by them in another. Mid table Bilbao handed Man U;s arse to them when they were champions. Swansea thrashing Valencia may be true but it's a bit unfair not to mention Valencia went down to ten men in the first ten minutes of the game.
Guest MattP Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 And despite Swansea's result, all our sides have now departed the Europa League, predictably as our upper mid table sides like Spurs are well inferior to sides like Benfica. Not to mention how that group finished. Group A P PTS 1 Valencia 6 13 2 Swansea City 6 8 3 Kuban Krasnodar 6 6 4 St.Gallen 6 6 Spain still have Sevilla and Valencia punching their weight in that "second tier" of the best European clubs.
Jimothy Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 And despite Swansea's result, all our sides have now departed the Europa League, predictably as our upper mid table sides like Spurs are well inferior to sides like Benfica. Not to mention how that group finished. Group A P PTS 1 Valencia 6 13 2 Swansea City 6 8 3 Kuban Krasnodar 6 6 4 St.Gallen 6 6 Spain still have Sevilla and Valencia punching their weight in that "second tier" of the best European clubs. To be fair, Spurs couldn't have gave less of a ****. Did you see some of the teams they put out? The 2nd leg v Benfica wasn't barely a 3rd team.
ScouseFox Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 Mid table Bilbao handed Man U;s arse to them when they were champions. Swansea thrashing Valencia may be true but it's a bit unfair not to mention Valencia went down to ten men in the first ten minutes of the game. yeah 2 years ago in a competition united clearly didn't care for. like i said, it's all much of a muchness, you can reel off 5 or 6 results of spanish teams beating english teams, i can just as easily do the same the other way round. it's been done before, it'll be done again, it doesn't mean anything. unless there is to be a joining of all european leagues then it'll never be solved as a debate. the closest we have atm is the champions league, in which english teams have performed marginally better than spanish teams over the past 10 years or so, but i'm sure you'll dismiss that as "luck" or "pointless" or whatever to suit your argument. they're both good leagues with good teams and both have shit teams who get battered most weeks. i watch and enjoy both for various different reasons. i don't really care which one is "better" because better means different things to different people. the topic is about why english players don't move abroad, and imo unless you get into real or barca's squads, which very few players in the world do, let alone english players, you may as well stay at home in england earning more money playing for just as good a team like everton or southampton than going to spain, earning a fraction of what you could, not knowing wtf anyone is on about whilst playing for someone like levante. just my opinion why players rarely move abroad.
Samilktray Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 It's a chore watching the bottom half clubs of most other European leagues. Germany in particular, fvcking dreadful.
Guest MattP Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 yeah 2 years ago in a competition united clearly didn't care for. like i said, it's all much of a muchness, you can reel off 5 or 6 results of spanish teams beating english teams, i can just as easily do the same the other way round. it's been done before, it'll be done again, it doesn't mean anything. unless there is to be a joining of all european leagues then it'll never be solved as a debate. the closest we have atm is the champions league, in which english teams have performed marginally better than spanish teams over the past 10 years or so, but i'm sure you'll dismiss that as "luck" or "pointless" or whatever to suit your argument. they're both good leagues with good teams and both have shit teams who get battered most weeks. i watch and enjoy both for various different reasons. i don't really care which one is "better" because better means different things to different people. the topic is about why english players don't move abroad, and imo unless you get into real or barca's squads, which very few players in the world do, let alone english players, you may as well stay at home in england earning more money playing for just as good a team like everton or southampton than going to spain, earning a fraction of what you could, not knowing wtf anyone is on about whilst playing for someone like levante. just my opinion why players rarely move abroad. From my memory Man U put the strongest side out? "Last ten years" is a different argument, for the first five of those last ten years I'd openly say the EPL was the best in the World. We had our two best sides competing in the Champions League final. We had 3 in the semis if I remember correctly, we were consistent winners of it. If you came up from the Championship it was damn hard to survive, you wouldn't have got a side like Hull in midtable back then. But the last 2-3 years it's become very clear our league has fell well behind La Liga, the best players play there or at Bayern/Dortmund/PSG. I'm not anti EPL at all, it was the best league in the World up until a few years back. To suggest it still is for me is ridiculous given the record of our sides at all levels competing against Europes best in that time. Even when Chelsea won it despite the money piled into that team it was a backs to the wall job in every game.
Captain... Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 It depends if you measure competiveness against quality, I would expect Sam Allardyce to keep West Ham up in La Liga, but he would be doing that because of rigid organisation and stone age tactics. Spanish teams all like to play football, they never "park the bus" when playing Barca or Madrid, they just try and out play them, that is why it looks so one sided towards those teams. This is why players would be better players for going out there and learning the skills, rather than how to win a match by running around a lot and hitting to the big man. This is one of the reasons why we get so many players in from other countries, because most of the time touch, control, technique and passing is forgotten in favour of speed, fitness and power when training England's youngsters. Now you can argue that Swansea can beat Valencia, and West Ham would finish above Granada in a mixed league, but what isn't in question for me is the tecnical ability of the players that come through the Spanish, French, German, Italian leagues is so much better than players who develop in England, English players may be better, or more effective but on a pure ability level, (look at Knocky and Mahrez compared to Dyer) we are well behind.
Guest MattP Posted 28 March 2014 Posted 28 March 2014 Good post that Captain. Would have repped it but I've ran out. Right about the Spanish culture as well, no such thing as "parking the bus" Even if you are bottom you go to the Nou Camp you have a go. Mahrez and Knocky is a great example, and they came from midtable in the 2nd tier of French football.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 30 March 2014 Posted 30 March 2014 Crystal Palace look like they are staying up and you have the gall to say that. You clearly don't watch any La Liga so their is no point arguing, you keep listening to Sky Sports News and believing what you are spoon fed. Crystal Palace 1-0 Chelsea
Tuna Posted 30 March 2014 Posted 30 March 2014 Darren Ambrose and Lee Cook are playing in Greece - Liam Lawrence was recently there as well. Anton Ferdinand has been playing in Turkey for about 18 months now. John Bostock is now at Royal Antwerp. Quite a few old pros out in Australia - obviously Emile, Michael Bridges is still playing out there, and I remember Nick Montgomery left to play there a few years back.
Stadt Posted 30 March 2014 Posted 30 March 2014 A lot of them probably got offers but would rather stay at home, Gerrard for example could have over to just about anybody but chose to stay at home. I'd imagine the same could be said about Rooney, Lampard and Scholes.
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