chili_con_carne Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 I can literally not think of one English player who currently plays in another country (apart from USA). Why is that? Is it that English players are not good enough? Is it that we love England too much? The money is best here?
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 I can literally not think of one English player who currently plays in another country (apart from USA). Why is that? Is it that English players are not good enough? Is it that we love England too much? The money is best here? There's loads dotted about but mainly at shit levels, Couple in Portugal I know Sporting have an English centre half, Anton's in Turkey these days, just no need for the ones that are any good to play at any other level than Championship or Premier League Level. There's probably more money in the Championship than any other league 2nd league in Europe, and more than most Prem leagues tbh, and of course as a race of people we horrific at adapting to other ways of living and other languages (why if we go anywhere it tends to be the US)
ScouseFox Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 because no foreign team wants to buy them for anything like the prices english teams are seemingly willing to pay. average pl clubs will splash 5m+ easy on an average english player who isn't even near the national side, even teams outside the top league (cough matt mills cough) have been known to spend 5m quid on second division english players. in places like spain or germany bar real/barca or bayern you say £5m and they think of it as a serious transfer fee. just plucking a random team out the air, gone with valencia, did a quick google, they last time they spent even close to £10m was on Soldado 4 years ago (£8m or so). Why would they want to compete with the likes of Cardiff or Crystal Palace in paying £8m for Dwight Gayle or someone?
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 because no foreign team wants to buy them for anything like the prices english teams are seemingly willing to pay. average pl clubs will splash 5m+ easy on an average english player who isn't even near the national side, even teams outside the top league (cough matt mills cough) have been known to spend 5m quid on second division english players. in places like spain or germany bar real/barca or bayern you say £5m and they think of it as a serious transfer fee. just plucking a random team out the air, gone with valencia, did a quick google, they last time they spent even close to £10m was on Soldado 4 years ago (£8m or so). Why would they want to compete with the likes of Cardiff or Crystal Palace in paying £8m for Dwight Gayle or someone? Yeah there is that as well, well over valued if they posses even a suspicion of genuine talent
Dan Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 Because they're over-priced and they're often not suited to it.
MC Prussian Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 Michael Mancienne plays for Hamburger SV. But that's about the only English footballer outside of the UK, who doesn't feature for an MLS club. Why it is that so few feature in top leagues? I can only assume it's down to fear, uncertainty, comfort, money, family, personal ties, agents, language troubles, inability to blend in abroad, etc.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 Michael Mancienne plays for Hamburger SV. But that's about the only English footballer outside of the UK, who doesn't feature for an MLS club. Why it is that so few feature in top leagues? I can only assume it's down to fear, uncertainty, comfort, money, family, personal ties, agents, etc. Not it's not
MC Prussian Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 Not it's not I know. They are hard to find, though. There's a few in Scotland, of course. And in Ireland, as well (Daniel Murray, for instance). Don't know if that qualifies as "abroad", though. Ah, James Keene: Plays in Israel right now. Adam Eckersley (AGF) is another unknown quantity, as well as Antonio Pedroza (Cruz Azul in Mexico). Michael Bridges is still active for the Newcastle Jets down under.
Captain... Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 As always money, money, money, better wages in the championship more money in being a Prem bench warmer than a first teamer on the continent (big European clubs aside). I don't know how much a lack of English being successful abroad affects players decisions, there is this idea that we aren't technical enough to play in Spain, Italy or Germany, so why take the risk when Cardiff are paying 8 million for Caulker, it is just madness. France has wage caps, that is why lots of Frogs are hopping over the channel, the rest http://abehnisch.com/europe-football-imbalances/ A bit old this page but you can see that Portsmouth were paying better wages than Dortmund or Atletico Madrid, now with the latest TV deal almost doubling the TV revenue in the prem it is only going to get worse.
Bayfox Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 Partly because no body rates them as highly as we do in this country. Our football is so different to anything else in europe, we value, commitment, passion and tackling. Of all the players who have gone abroad whilst I have been following football Ince is the only player I can think off who was know for that, Bale, Gazza, Platt, Owen, Beckham etc all had a different skill set and a purpose. Then the wages, why move abroad unless you have a burning desire to do so or Real or Barca come knocking when you can earn so much money at Home and nowdays who don't even have to uproot the family, look at Walker, Sinclair, Impey etc for us, all stayed in London, Hell even our current manager doesn't live here. And to top it off, I think most footballers still have that british outlook on learning languages, why bother, most people speak english. Infact maybe our academies in this country should teach, spanish, italian, etc alongside the football to give our kids a chance of moving abroad earlier in their careers. Maybe if we had the language for it, we could send young english players on loan at a young age to places like portugal or france to learn about the game abroad as well as getting games.
Dan Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 As always money, money, money, better wages in the championship more money in being a Prem bench warmer than a first teamer on the continent (big European clubs aside). I don't know how much a lack of English being successful abroad affects players decisions, there is this idea that we aren't technical enough to play in Spain, Italy or Germany, so why take the risk when Cardiff are paying 8 million for Caulker, it is just madness. France has wage caps, that is why lots of Frogs are hopping over the channel, the rest http://abehnisch.com/europe-football-imbalances/ A bit old this page but you can see that Portsmouth were paying better wages than Dortmund or Atletico Madrid, now with the latest TV deal almost doubling the TV revenue in the prem it is only going to get worse. I'm no expert but I wonder one day if the Premier League's actually going to become that big that it's going to pretty much single handedly dominate Europe. To be fair, for the amount that gets spent, it already should do. You can always trust English clubs to squander money.
Dan Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 Partly because no body rates them as highly as we do in this country. Our football is so different to anything else in europe, we value, commitment, passion and tackling. Of all the players who have gone abroad whilst I have been following football Ince is the only player I can think off who was know for that, Bale, Gazza, Platt, Owen, Beckham etc all had a different skill set and a purpose. Then the wages, why move abroad unless you have a burning desire to do so or Real or Barca come knocking when you can earn so much money at Home and nowdays who don't even have to uproot the family, look at Walker, Sinclair, Impey etc for us, all stayed in London, Hell even our current manager doesn't live here. And to top it off, I think most footballers still have that british outlook on learning languages, why bother, most people speak english. Infact maybe our academies in this country should teach, spanish, italian, etc alongside the football to give our kids a chance of moving abroad earlier in their careers. Maybe if we had the language for it, we could send young english players on loan at a young age to places like portugal or france to learn about the game abroad as well as getting games. I don't think we're the only ones like that and I think we're slowly moving on from this physical obsession - some won't and are too stuck in their ways, but I think people are realising that now facilities are better, it's just wasteful to play physical, 'commitment' football. I could see places like Norway, Sweden etc... all playing a similar kind of game, for whatever reason. Joe Cole was a revelation at Lille apparently. More of our players should move abroad and unlock their potential.
The Blur Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 How could everyone forget one of our own Emile Heskey playing for Newcastle Jets in Australia!
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 I don't think we're the only ones like that and I think we're slowly moving on from this physical obsession - some won't and are too stuck in their ways, but I think people are realising that now facilities are better, it's just wasteful to play physical, 'commitment' football. I could see places like Norway, Sweden etc... all playing a similar kind of game, for whatever reason. Joe Cole was a revelation at Lille apparently. More of our players should move abroad and unlock their potential. That's because Joe Cole is a very gifted footballer. Just a bit old now.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 Eric Dier is the Sporting defender. Supposed to be quite promising apparently.
Jon the Hat Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 How could everyone forget one of our own Emile Heskey playing for Newcastle Jets in Australia! I was thinking the same. Wankers the lot of you.
Lamby Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 I know. They are hard to find, though. There's a few in Scotland, of course. And in Ireland, as well (Daniel Murray, for instance). Don't know if that qualifies as "abroad", though. Ah, James Keene: Plays in Israel right now. Adam Eckersley (AGF) is another unknown quantity, as well as Antonio Pedroza (Cruz Azul in Mexico). Michael Bridges is still active for the Newcastle Jets down under. Now plays for the New York Red Bulls
MC Prussian Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 Now plays for the New York Red Bulls Sorry, but that's his brother Richard. Adam's still with Aarhus: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10656819/Former-Manchester-United-defender-Adam-Eckersley-aims-for-return-to-England-after-six-seasons-in-Denmark.html
lavrentis Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 Because I dont think we like to venture away from home too much. Would love it if more English players went abroad, like the French do.
foxes_rule1978 Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 English players are overpriced so clubs intend to stay away, but not only that English players don't feel the need to go abroad, they make so much money in the PL and championship probably more than they could manage anywhere else...
Alf Bentley Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 There used to be a few more at a decent level....with varying degrees of success: - Gary Lineker did fine at Barcelona (and learned Spanish) - Gazza belched away at Lazio for a while - Gerry Armstrong (Northern Irish, I know) did OK at Mallorca - Michael Robinson (Irish international, but English-born) went to Osasuna, then became a Spanish citizen & Spanish-language football commentator - Steve McManaman went to Real Madrid and did OK - Laurie Cunningham went to Real Madrid...and was killed in a car accident - Darius Vassell came to us from Turkey, didn't he? Learning the language and fitting in seems to help, but maybe money is a big factor these days, otherwise surely some continental clubs would be interested in some more English players
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 There used to be a few more at a decent level....with varying degrees of success: - Gary Lineker did fine at Barcelona (and learned Spanish) - Gazza belched away at Lazio for a while - Gerry Armstrong (Northern Irish, I know) did OK at Mallorca - Michael Robinson (Irish international, but English-born) went to Osasuna, then became a Spanish citizen & Spanish-language football commentator - Steve McManaman went to Real Madrid and did OK - Laurie Cunningham went to Real Madrid...and was killed in a car accident - Darius Vassell came to us from Turkey, didn't he? Learning the language and fitting in seems to help, but maybe money is a big factor these days, otherwise surely some continental clubs would be interested in some more English players If you want to go into the past there are loads and loads, Owen, Beckham, Barton, Hargreaves (if he counts) Ince, Michael Ball, Platt Colin Kazam Richards Tyrone Mears, Keegan Fowler, half the A League was made up of English rejects at one point.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 27 March 2014 Posted 27 March 2014 Because the best league in the world is on their doorstep. Why would they want to play abroad?
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