Haydos Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 Decent strike, but shouldn't really be on the pitch after that elbow. Don't be a fairy.
Haydos Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 I doubt he's ever reffed a or been involved in anything as high profile as brazil in Brazil to open a World Cup. He should've sent Neymar off, it was never a penalty and the disallowed Croatia goal was debatable. Numerous other dodgy fouls/not fouls went Brazils way too. Ridiculous. Sending off for that little nudge with the elbow would have been pathetic. Penalty was obviously shit. Foul on the keeper would be given every week in the Prem. I doubt without the dodgy penalty call it would even be talked about.
Haydos Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 I really don't think that was a foul. Reminded me a lot if our 4th v Derby this year. It wasn't. People are getting all pissy because of one shit penalty call.
Haydos Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 He's been chosen because he's one of the best referees in Asia. That does not automatically equate to being one of the best in the world and I strongly resent the implication that suggesting that a man with no experience of anywhere near such an occasion was not up to it is racist. If he was English and refereed in a league with no players playing for a top nation I'd question his suitability for such an occasion. So I take it you think that we should scrap the current world cup and just have the 32 best teams there, pay no attention to continents?
Haydos Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 did you agree with Neymar looking at modric, then the ball, then back at modric, clearly not being bother about the ball before lashing an arm in his face but only being booked? If that's a Cameroon centre half midway through meaningless group game next week he's sent off, disgraced and banned for the rest of the competition. It's Neymar so well just book him. Ok. Lashing? Jesus. Pathetic.
Haydos Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 You're an idiot. If you can find an argument for those decisions there is no hope for you. None of the 3 big decisions are even remotely defensible. Another of Kitch's your-an-idiot-if-you-disagree-with-me posts, good to see already. As I and several others have already said, a red for that elbow would have been embarrassing, I'd be worried about what we were in for if someone was sent off for that. If you seriously think that should be a red card you need to play some proper sport.
kingcarr21 Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 Ref had a poor game. But not as bad as Croatia Keeper. He had an absolute shocker. In the end they deserved to lose just based on his poor performance
Guest ttfn Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 So I take it you think that we should scrap the current world cup and just have the 32 best teams there, pay no attention to continents? I don't see how me disagreeing with giving an obviously undercooked referee a showpiece game could lead you to that comment. Great players from all over the world play for sides outside of the top 32 nations, but crucially the overwhelming majority play in Europe and are refereed by Europeans (whether that is ethically right or not is irrelevant to this discussion). I'm not disagreeing with him refereeing at the tournament at all. If he impresses refereeing some easier group games, give him the opportunity to progress.
Bert Posted 13 June 2014 Author Posted 13 June 2014 I don't see how me disagreeing with giving an obviously undercooked referee a showpiece game could lead you to that comment. Great players from all over the world play for sides outside of the top 32 nations, but crucially the overwhelming majority play in Europe and are refereed by Europeans (whether that is ethically right or not is irrelevant to this discussion). I'm not disagreeing with him refereeing at the tournament at all. If he impresses refereeing some easier group games, give him the opportunity to progress. More to the point, a bit more higher profile ref would've been more suitable. No one would be batting an eyelid if this bloke was to ref Iran v Bosnia.
Haydos Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 I don't see how me disagreeing with giving an obviously undercooked referee a showpiece game could lead you to that comment. Great players from all over the world play for sides outside of the top 32 nations, but crucially the overwhelming majority play in Europe and are refereed by Europeans (whether that is ethically right or not is irrelevant to this discussion). I'm not disagreeing with him refereeing at the tournament at all. If he impresses refereeing some easier group games, give him the opportunity to progress. Do we know how the refereeing structure works? Do they have a bank with a surplus so they can promote/relegate or are they all decided for the group stage already?
Ric Flair Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 Brazil are a horrible team, they are crap. They will not be in the final. I don't think i've ever seen a Brazilian side that I wasn't slightly afraid of, but i'd even back England to beat them right now. WOW Mexico will give them a scare as well.
AKCJ Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 I don't see how me disagreeing with giving an obviously undercooked referee a showpiece game could lead you to that comment. Great players from all over the world play for sides outside of the top 32 nations, but crucially the overwhelming majority play in Europe and are refereed by Europeans (whether that is ethically right or not is irrelevant to this discussion). I'm not disagreeing with him refereeing at the tournament at all. If he impresses refereeing some easier group games, give him the opportunity to progress. No it's not. The discussion started because Joey Barton said that he shouldn't have refereed that game because of where he is from.
AKCJ Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 More to the point, a bit more higher profile ref would've been more suitable. No one would be batting an eyelid if this bloke was to ref Iran v Bosnia. Nobody would have bat an eyelid if he had a good game either. Didn't hear anyone say he shouldn't be the referee before the game. Only pathetic comments from ignorant morons like Barton who believe the game only exists in Europe.
AKCJ Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 Brazil are a horrible team, they are crap. They will not be in the final. I don't think i've ever seen a Brazilian side that I wasn't slightly afraid of, but i'd even back England to beat them right now. WOW Mexico will give them a scare as well. I think you need to give Croatia more credit. They played very well and played their part in Brazil's poor performance.
RowlattsFox Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 High profile refs make shit decisions too, look at Howard Webb. The guy has reffed in world cups before so maybe he has performed well enough in those games to get a high profile games. Should refs travel across Europea biggest leagues prior to world cups?
Guest ttfn Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 No it's not. The discussion started because Joey Barton said that he shouldn't have refereed that game because of where he is from. I can only presume you've misunderstood what I was saying in the point in bold.I was saying whether the fact that the best players are being refereed exclusively by Europeans is ethically right is irrelevant to the point I have been making. The fact is that they aren't. Personally I'd be in favour of UEFA actively recruiting the world's beat referees regardless of nationality and the Premier League (and La Liga for that matter, not that I'm particularly bothered) doing likewise. Until then I think my point stands.
Grandad. Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 Can we not just move on? It's not like we don't have three games to discuss today and argue about.
AKCJ Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 I can only presume you've misunderstood what I was saying in the point in bold. I was saying whether the fact that the best players are being refereed exclusively by Europeans is ethically right is irrelevant to the point I have been making. The fact is that they aren't. Personally I'd be in favour of UEFA actively recruiting the world's beat referees regardless of nationality and the Premier League (and La Liga for that matter, not that I'm particularly bothered) doing likewise. Until then I think my point stands. But FIFA (the organisation we're talking about) have employed the best referees? You're assuming that the bloke who reffed last night isn't when he just is. You're basing your entire opinion of him from one game. High profile refs make shit decisions too, look at Howard Webb. The guy has reffed in world cups before so maybe he has performed well enough in those games to get a high profile games. Should refs travel across Europea biggest leagues prior to world cups? That's something UEFA need to decide, not FIFA.
Grandad. Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 You're only as good as your last game and right now that Ref is shit.
Ric Flair Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 I think you need to give Croatia more credit. They played very well and played their part in Brazil's poor performance. I rate Croatia, I would rather us face Brazil than them at a neutral venue. They did well last night without their star striker.
Guest ttfn Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 But FIFA (the organisation we're talking about) have employed the best referees? You're assuming that the bloke who reffed last night isn't when he just is. You're basing your entire opinion of him from one game. That's something UEFA need to decide, not FIFA. FIFA have employed the best referees from each region, which does not equate to the best referees in the world. It would do if the standard of football was the same in Japan as it is in Spain, but it's not. And me saying that doesn't make me ignorant of Japanese football, it is what it is. Clearly we're not going to agree on this. I understand the point you're making, but I disagree pretty strongly and resent the implications of ignorance or xenophobia directed at anybody who doesn't agree with you.
Grandad. Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 FIFA have employed the best referees from each region, which does not equate to the best referees in the world. It would do if the standard of football was the same in Japan as it is in Spain, but it's not. And me saying that doesn't make me ignorant of Japanese football, it is what it is. Clearly we're not going to agree on this. I understand the point you're making, but I disagree pretty strongly and resent the implications of ignorance or xenophobia directed at anybody who doesn't agree with you. Spot on.
Bugg Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 Seriously though, as bad as the ref was, if Pletikosa doesnt make a hash out of them 3 fairly routine saves, Brazil don't win. I'm not sure why the ref is getting all of the blamed pinned on him.
Manwell Pablo Posted 13 June 2014 Posted 13 June 2014 I don't think it's a fix, that was a joke. Joey Barton talking about "back waters" is ill-judged and arguably a little racist. However, saying that he is not as qualified as somebody who is refereeing elite club football regularly is surely just common sense? The badges he's got are largely irrelevant to this discussion - obviously he's got them - I've got exactly the same accounting qualifications as most FTSE 100 finance directors but what I don't have is the experience of making decisions under that sort of pressure. The standard of football he referees regularly is nowhere near the same level as this and the pressure in an environment where the host nation and favourite is struggling to break down a mid-tier side in front or a partisan crowd must have been pretty intense. The ball is being moved quicker than he's used to, the players are moving quicker, the players are cleverer with their cheating (*cough* Fred) - it's a a nightmare. Your point about Graham Poll is fair enough but as I recall nobody particularly raved about him at the time - he was a crap referee who made a stupid mistake - arguably he shouldn't have been involved either. UEFA and FIFA should be working together to get the best referees in the world refereeing in the Champions League, regardless of nationality. He might be a "good ref" in theory but his best chance of being sufficiently prepared is refereeing elite football before the tournament. What about Howard Webb allowing kung fu kicks in the World Cup final. Your fighting a losing battle here, ref's make mistakes no matter where their from, and aside from the pen he had a pretty reasonable game.
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