Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 18 July 2014 Posted 18 July 2014 Funny you should say we shouldn't have a foreign manager ever POTM, as it is clear you know so much about our national side then you would know that Eriksson and Capello are in the top 5 managers to have managed our country, through win percentages, right? Capello 66.7% Sir Alf Ramsey 61.1% Glen Hoddle 60.7% Ron Greenwood 60% Sven Goran Eriksson 59.7% I would happily have a foreign manager if it meant we had a manager who knew how to win games and play the right players in their correct positions, but that is just me. Who cares about win percentages though? Neither of them made a semi-final. But I still wouldn't want a foreign manager even if he could achieve a 100% win percentage.
Leicesterpool Posted 18 July 2014 Posted 18 July 2014 Who cares about win percentages though? Neither of them made a semi-final. But I still wouldn't want a foreign manager even if he could achieve a 100% win percentage. It's nice to see your patriotic but lets face it there's not really any good english managers at the moment.... there's Nigel of course but he's not ready for international management. Also who and when was the last english manager to win any domestic cup?... ugly Redknapp i think Portsmouth fa cup but that was six years back.
Guest MattP Posted 18 July 2014 Posted 18 July 2014 Redknapp won an FA Cup but he (and Gaydamak) had to bankrupt a club to do it.
Leicesterpool Posted 18 July 2014 Posted 18 July 2014 Redknapp won an FA Cup but he (and Gaydamak) had to bankrupt a club to do it. Agreed
MC Prussian Posted 18 July 2014 Posted 18 July 2014 Brazil had more pride than Germany and we all know what happened there. You mistake passion for pride. At least Brazil's passion and pride got them three stages further than the England team. And Germany would've had a field day against that English side, anyway.
Samilktray Posted 18 July 2014 Posted 18 July 2014 Incredible that people still want Redknapp to be England manager
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 18 July 2014 Posted 18 July 2014 You mistake passion for pride. At least Brazil's passion and pride got them three stages further than the England team. And Germany would've had a field day against that English side, anyway. We wouldn't have conceded 7. And we wouldn't have conceded 5 against France.
MC Prussian Posted 18 July 2014 Posted 18 July 2014 We wouldn't have conceded 7. And we wouldn't have conceded 5 against France. Dream on - both nations are years ahead of England.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 18 July 2014 Posted 18 July 2014 Dream on - both nations are years ahead of England. France are the same level as us.
MC Prussian Posted 18 July 2014 Posted 18 July 2014 France are the same level as us. They were, now they've surpassed you.
Grewks Posted 18 July 2014 Posted 18 July 2014 When you have a side which is clearly nowhere near as talented as the elite sides you have to 'outsmart' the opposition. Unlike costa rica we are not an unknown quantity and therefore is a bad example. Someone like Chile is a far better example however. Some well respected world class players like sanchez, but more importantly they use a different and unique system to other sides with a 3 at the back, and so did the dutch. We need a manager willing to try something different, but more importantly we need a different mentality as a nation. Why do we have a policy of - 'If a player is aging and no longer at his best we just put him in a less significant position'? For example - Why the bloody hell is gerrard playing as an anchorman in front of the back four? He could never defend in his prime, so why play him there? Were we expecting him to be our pirlo? Even though we knew he would only have around 3-4 touches a game? We don't need to pick players based upon their reputation, nor do we need to pick players based upon their form. We need to pick players which fit a system, or even a couple of systems if we change it up. Why play gerrard as an anchorman when even Phil Jones is better in that position? Why play rooney as a winger when lallana is better in that position? Answer - Because we have no bloody clue. When you look at their careers, if germany had followed the above they would have played klose out wide and ozil as an anchorman. That seems silly does it not? Well, no not according to Roy or any ex-england managers, we've been doing it for years.
Dan Posted 19 July 2014 Posted 19 July 2014 France are the same level as us. Are you for real they're a mile ahead of us.
Guest Col city fan Posted 19 July 2014 Posted 19 July 2014 France are the same level as us. Do you REALLY believe that England are at the same level as France? Christ, I genuinely don't know where some people get their ideas from. Accept it. I'm a proud Englishman.. I've always followed the International side. But we, currently, are shite, Hodgson is paid a RIDICULOUS salary, compared to his level of ability and, I'm afraid, most of our players are a bunch of overpaid mediocrity. I still maintain that Rooney on 300k per week is obscene. And a sign of our failing times.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 20 July 2014 Posted 20 July 2014 Are you for real they're a mile ahead of us. Did you not see Euro 2012?
Webbo Posted 20 July 2014 Posted 20 July 2014 Why play gerrard as an anchorman when even Phil Jones is better in that position? Because he had a great season there for Liverpool and your point about Phil Jones is highly debatable.
MC Prussian Posted 20 July 2014 Posted 20 July 2014 Did you not see Euro 2012? And? Apart from beating France two years ago with a different starting eleven (on both sides), what has England done better than France in the past 24 months? France have had a proper clear-out and found back to an impressive team spirit that carried them two stages further than England a few weeks back. The bust-up in 2010 served them as a cleansing act and all the deadwood has been omitted ever since.
The Doctor Posted 20 July 2014 Posted 20 July 2014 Have some pride mate. We should never have a foreign manager. Why? Does the nationality of the manager mean more than the quality? Because your recent English managers have completely and utterly flopped, and there's really not any other options out there if you want to go English then what have you got? Look at last season - our Nige finished 6th highest out of all English managers - Above him? Tim Sherwood, Sam Allardyce, Neil Adams, Steve Bruce & Alan Pardew. The options are really poor if you restrict yourself to English managers only France are the same level as us. Are you actually serious? France have a quality, young, closely-knit squad and all the egos have been weeded out (See Nasri not going to the WC) - England are a splintered bunch of over-rated tripe. France are streets ahead of you at the moment.
Dan Posted 20 July 2014 Posted 20 July 2014 And? Apart from beating France two years ago with a different starting eleven (on both sides), what has England done better than France in the past 24 months? France have had a proper clear-out and found back to an impressive team spirit that carried them two stages further than England a few weeks back. The bust-up in 2010 served them as a cleansing act and all the deadwood has been omitted ever since. That's often the difference. Lets see how we react to what is undoubtedly a low point for the national team. I bet it's the usual sweep under the carpet nonsense.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 20 July 2014 Posted 20 July 2014 And? Apart from beating France two years ago with a different starting eleven (on both sides), what has England done better than France in the past 24 months? France have had a proper clear-out and found back to an impressive team spirit that carried them two stages further than England a few weeks back. The bust-up in 2010 served them as a cleansing act and all the deadwood has been omitted ever since. Well we finished above France in Euro 2012. Then we topped our group in WCQ - France came second in their group.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 20 July 2014 Posted 20 July 2014 Why? Does the nationality of the manager mean more than the quality? Because your recent English managers have completely and utterly flopped, and there's really not any other options out there if you want to go English then what have you got? Look at last season - our Nige finished 6th highest out of all English managers - Above him? Tim Sherwood, Sam Allardyce, Neil Adams, Steve Bruce & Alan Pardew. The options are really poor if you restrict yourself to English managers only Are you actually serious? France have a quality, young, closely-knit squad and all the egos have been weeded out (See Nasri not going to the WC) - England are a splintered bunch of over-rated tripe. France are streets ahead of you at the moment. Because it's international football. It's a competition between nations. Some would say that the options are really poor if we restrict ourself to English players only but we don't use foreign players do we. France are not streets ahead of us just because they had a straight-forward passage to the quarter-finals. They got knocked out by the first heavyweight nation they faced which is what we do.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 20 July 2014 Posted 20 July 2014 Did you not see Euro 2012? I guess that France are also a mile ahead of Spain then.
Dan Posted 20 July 2014 Posted 20 July 2014 I guess that France are also a mile ahead of Spain then. Spain clearly under-achieved and actually have a team coming through that can compensate for under-achievement. That's more than can be said for England.
MC Prussian Posted 20 July 2014 Posted 20 July 2014 Well we finished above France in Euro 2012. Then we topped our group in WCQ - France came second in their group. That was all for nothing, as both teams crashed out at the same stage in the same competition two years ago. It would be kind of you to finally appreciate the fact that France have managed their turnaround well in the past 48 months. Qualification is one thing - surviving, dominating and playing effective and convincing football during the tournament itself is an entirely different chapter.
Manwell Pablo Posted 20 July 2014 Author Posted 20 July 2014 Because it's international football. It's a competition between nations. Some would say that the options are really poor if we restrict ourself to English players only but we don't use foreign players do we. France are not streets ahead of us just because they had a straight-forward passage to the quarter-finals. They got knocked out by the first heavyweight nation they faced which is what we do. Straight forward, I don't see why you think it's straight forward given we failed to beat the two weakest teams in their group pre tournament. I honestly don't know what game you've seen to make you think the English international side is still up there with the better teams in Europe, aside from the last two qualifiers, which to be fair genuinely surprised me, I can count the number of impressive performances put in by or national this decade on one hand. We've been crap, our World cup showing shows it, and our world ranking shows it. Just accept it.
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