Our system detected that your browser is blocking advertisements on our site. Please help support FoxesTalk by disabling any kind of ad blocker while browsing this site. Thank you.
Jump to content
Buce

'Gay cake' row

By Buce, in General Chat

Recommended Posts

ADK

ADK

Posted
Posted

Or if you don't like somebody's views shop somewhere else. The baker's the one losing money.

 

Just another pressure group forcing their opinions on others.

 

Would you be ok with a whites only bar?

Webbo

Webbo

Posted
Posted

Would you be ok with a whites only bar?

The bakers were happy to sell the cake so there's no comparison.

ADK

ADK

Posted
Posted

The bakers were happy to sell the cake so there's no comparison.

 

But if you go by your statement "Or if you don't like somebody's views shop somewhere else" then that would apply surely?

 

Surely I can refuse to sell a black person and then say "well I'm losing business and they can go to a different bar"?

 

I was just trying to work out if you were arguing against anti-discrimination laws for businesses entirely.

Webbo

Webbo

Posted
Posted

But if you go by your statement "Or if you don't like somebody's views shop somewhere else" then that would apply surely?

 

Surely I can refuse to sell a black person and then say "well I'm losing business and they can go to a different bar"?

 

I was just trying to work out if you were arguing against anti-discrimination laws for businesses entirely.

It's a silly comparison because the baker didn't refuse to serve the gay person just refuse to put a political statement on a cake. Would you force the baker to print a racist statement on the cake?

ADK

ADK

Posted
Posted

It's a silly comparison because the baker didn't refuse to serve the gay person just refuse to put a political statement on a cake. Would you force the baker to print a racist statement on the cake?

 

No because a racist statement is offensive. Supporting gay marriage isn't.

Webbo

Webbo

Posted
Posted

No because a racist statement is offensive. Supporting gay marriage isn't.

It isn't offensive to you or me but to some people with sincere religious views it is. Who are you to decide what others should think?

ADK

ADK

Posted
Posted

It isn't offensive to you or me but to some people with sincere religious views it is. Who are you to decide what others should think?

 

It isn't for me but for society as a whole through the implementation of anti discrimination laws. The individual has the "right" to find anything they want offensive, no matter how ridiculous. They don't automatically gain the right to share that belief if it manifests itself as discrimination.

 

Are you suggesting by printing "support gay marriage" on a cake, the baker is prevented from being against gay marriage? What is to stop them voting no in a referendum or writing to their MP, or voting for a political party that opposes gay marriage?

 

By choosing to discriminate on the grounds of political opinion it is the baker that has forced their opinion on the customer, not the other way round. They felt they had the right to dictate what was acceptable to write on the cake.

Webbo

Webbo

Posted
Posted

I believe in freedom of conscience, if you don't I'm not going to convince you.

Carl the Llama

Carl the Llama

Posted
Posted

To be fair it's tantamount to emotional torture forcing a devout person to perform an act which they believe to be in violation of their deity's laws.

 

I'm not saying they're necessarily right to hold those views, but if you want freedom of expression for gay people, you have to allow freedom of religious expression, within reason of course.  Since there doesn't appear to be any hate crime here, I don't consider it to be outside the realms of reasonable behaviour for the customer to say "fair enough, I'll get someone else to write the message part".

ADK

ADK

Posted
Posted

To be fair it's tantamount to emotional torture forcing a devout person to perform an act which they believe to be in violation of their deity's laws.

 

I'm not saying they're necessarily right to hold those views, but if you want freedom of expression for gay people, you have to allow freedom of religious expression, within reason of course.  Since there doesn't appear to be any hate crime here, I don't consider it to be outside the realms of reasonable behaviour for the customer to say "fair enough, I'll get someone else to write the message part".

 

It's easy to say that would be reasonable and I'm sure many people would do that because it is easier, but it doesn't make it right.

Carl the Llama

Carl the Llama

Posted
Posted

It's easy to say that would be reasonable and I'm sure many people would do that because it is easier, but it doesn't make it right.

Well what is right?  Forcing somebody to do something they genuinely believe may send them to hell?  Please don't misunderstand me, I'm very strongly pro gay rights, but this is not the right way to go about things, we can't let a rush to respect for one group lead to disrespect of another, which appears to be what's happening here.  I never thought I'd be defending a Christian against gay people, but here we are it seems.

BoneDog

BoneDog

Posted
Posted

Calm down buddy, you wouldn't need more than a clusterbomb to take out somewhere the size of Brighton.

 

A nuke is probably over the top but I forgot about cruise missiles and cluster bombs. Anyway, I think it's too late to just do Brighton and Lesbos, was talking to my aunty and she says they're everywhere now. She loves the gays.

 

No need to be racist.

 

I'm not racist, my hairdresser's gay.

 

Would you be ok with a whites only bar?

 

There are a few whites only bars around the country I would think. They're not backed by any law but I wouldn't advise any dark skinned people to pop in for a Malibu, unless you're local and have just got back from two weeks in Majorca of course.

Rincewind

Rincewind

Posted
Posted

Last time I heard  the one down Maidstone Road is virtually all non white. Not that it bothers me as it is not a place I go in.

Carl the Llama

Carl the Llama

Posted
Posted

Last time I heard  the one down Maidstone Road is virtually all non white. Not that it bothers me as it is not a place I go in.

But if you did go in it would? lol

Steven

Steven

Posted
Posted

Is this wrong?  :dunno:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3118244/Hairdresser-bans-bigots-salon-customer-refuses-let-gay-stylist-cut-10-year-old-son-s-hair.html

 

 

 

Hairdresser bans bigots from his salon after customer refuses to let gay stylist cut his 10-year-old son's hair
  • Father offered appointment at Russell Paul Salon with Richard Evans, 23
  • He told staff: 'I assume he's gay and I don't want him cutting my lad's hair'
  • Outraged owner Russell Hughes put sign up in shop in Prestatyn, Denbs 
  • It reads: 'If you are racist, sexist, homophobic or an a***hole don't come in'
Rincewind

Rincewind

Posted
Posted

It wont make a difference because people who are those things do not admit it.

 

 

The customer was wrong for saying what he did. Just banning him would be enough. The notice could be taken as a joke. More so by the hairdresser's regulars. Very few  people would  make a comment like that.

Captain...

Captain...

Posted
Posted

 

 

Which bit?

 

Not letting a homosexual cut your son's hair, or banning assholes and bigots from your shop? 

 

Not wanting a homosexual to cut your son's hair, isn't wrong, freedom of opinion means that you are free to your beliefs no matter how bigoted and stupid, but expressing them like that is, a simple "no thank you" would have been the correct thing to do.

 

Putting up a sign, again it isn't wrong, it isn't discriminatory as it is not aimed at a group of people rather than at a mindset.

 

If he banned all 10 year old boys accompanied by their dad, then it would be wrong as he discriminating against a group of people based on the actions of one, but banning assholes is fine.

Guest MattP

Guest MattP

Posted
Posted

People expect a straight male hairdresser? Now that's politcal correctness gone mad.

  • 4 weeks later...
cambridgefox

cambridgefox

Posted
Posted

People expect a straight male hairdresser? Now that's politcal correctness gone mad.

zWhere I take my lad it's hilarious.Family run business where they have a swearing parrot,owner that stresses and sons that love arguing it's pure entertainment.The dads an Italian but his sons were born here so sound like Cambridge Cockneys.You go in the parrot says p!ss off or shut it as soon as you walk in.

If your with your mates and you say where are going for your hair,you have to say"The Bloody Toni's " he is pure entertainment,I was in there once on a Saturday it was packed,he was stressed and seemed to be getting all the kids" you don't keep still I will cut your ears off" his son the most stupid and lazy one said to his dad that he was getting a drink from the newsagents quickly.30 mins later he isn't back.The Bloody Toni,is going for it big time" The bloody Jason,I will fooking kill him" this infront of kids,I thought we were going to have to call an ambulance.

Dropped my 12 year old off the other week,when I picked him up I said "did anything exciting happen?"

" The bloody Jason wanted a break,his dad said no as it was busy and the bloody Jason just walked out sparking up still in the shop,swearing and his dad swearing for the next 5 mins"

Best place in town.oh they are not gay.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...