Rotherham & other City/Town child abuse scandals

[Guest MattP]

Kicked out of the Labour party?

I'd have thought he'd be in line for a promotion.

As for the story, not even news to most people I'd imagine, been happening for years, will continue too. When you immigrate so many people with warped values don't be surprised if they live up to them.

[ADK]

I'd like to know if the authorities have been infiltrated which often happens.

[Rincewind]

We'll probably never know what went on.

Why has it suddenly come to light?

The other week there was someone on Facebook who was asking for help for a friend but was saying everything they tried was being stopped by those in authority Councillors housing officers MP's and police and they were all Freemasons. I doubted that they would go that far over one person . But now.................

Edited 27 August 2014 by Rincewind

[ADK]

Why has it suddenly come to light?

The other week there was someone on Facebook who was asking for help for a friend but was saying everything they tried was being stopped by those in authority Councillors housing officers MP's and police and they were all Freemasons. I doubted that they would go that far over one person . But now.................

 

Hasn't there been some sort of report?

 

But we'll never quite know who knew what and who was most to blame for the inaction.

[Alf Bentley]

I'm not shocked that there should be instances of such depravity, but the scale and organised nature of it and the fact that it's taken so long for anything significant to be done about it really is shocking.

 

An estimated 1400 kids?!? It also sounds as if that may be an under-estimate, as there may be under-reporting by certain groups.... and the entire population of Rotherham is only 258,000 (albeit that many more will have passed through over the period in question)!

 

There are at least a couple of massive questions that need detailed investigation:

1) Why and how did this culture develop, whereby particular groups (mainly, if not entirely, men of Pakistani origin) openly worked together to abuse young girls? Because it clearly was a culture, not just a few isolated, depraved individuals.

2) Why did the authorities - from the police to local council services - fail to address the situation adequately?

 

Investigations into the culture of abuse need to look in detail at these men's attitudes and where they came from - and that needs to include connections to racial or religious background, along with other factors. Individual rapists and child abusers come from every background, but there's clearly a particular problem with particular groups developing a particular culture here. Beyond identifying the criminals involved and dealing with them through the courts, we need to understand why this is happening if we're going to be able to stop it becoming even more widespread. Are Islamic attitudes to women (e.g. subservient status or strict attitudes to premarital sex) feeding the problem? Or are these attitudes rooted in particular Muslim groups (the problem with so many Pakistani men doesn't seem to be replicated with Bangladeshi or Middle Eastern men, as far as I can tell - though some Iraqis, Afghans, Somalis and Kosovans have also been involved in different cases)? Were these men single or married? Were they mostly of lowly status? Were they heavily into internet porn? Was all this some weird extrapolation from traditional Muslim values - that "respectable" girls should be treated with respect, but that troubled girls were fair game? The contrast between strict traditional attitudes and liberal Western values - and their potential for abuse? And why all the violence? Grown men wanting to have sex with schoolgirls is abusive, but willfully bringing violence into it seems to be taking it to another level - one of contempt, hostility and misogyny....and it's interesting that, while the majority of reported cases involved white girls, some also involved Asian girls and the suggestion seems to be that this group may be under-reported due to fears of damaged reputations, being disowned by their families etc.

 

The second issue of why so little was done about it also requires some difficult questions. Were these girls seen as unimportant by the police because so many of them seem to have come from troubled backgrounds ("chavs", "slappers" and "benefit scroungers", anyone)? Were people, at the council in particular, treading on eggshells for fear of being seen as racist? If so, that's racist in itself; particular problems sometimes disproportionately afflict particular racial/religious groups for cultural reasons and it is equal treatment to address that reality. Also, what role was played by the fact that Rotherham has effectively been a "rotten borough", with local politics and patronage dominated for decades by one party (Labour here, but could easily be other parties elsewhere)? 

 

Clearly, people need to go to jail, heads need to roll and complacent people need to take responsibility, but if that's all that happens, it will just be a fire-fighting exercise and the problem will keep cropping up elsewhere.

 

We might think that we understand what has gone on, but serious and detailed investigative work needs to be done into what lies behind this. Maybe that will confirm what we think or maybe it won't, but we owe it to potential future victims and to the health of our society, to investigate this properly at every level.

[Alf Bentley]

I don't really understand the motivation for these Pakistani men. Why don't they just get married, then they can rape their wives as they please as per their cultural norms. 

 

We probably shouldn't feel too superior. Rape within marriage was legal in England and Wales until 1991, so it was the cultural norm here until recently!

 

Why has it suddenly come to light?

 

 

There's a link to the report of the enquiry in the original post, Ken. The first few pages give an executive summary and background.

 

Seems to suggest that the local council and police spent many years gradually realising what was going on (almost a decade by the sound of it)...which sounds like shocking inertia. 

 

The local authorities were then openly criticised for their lack of action by the Parliamentary Committee on Home Affairs, which finally nudged them into commissioning this enquiry.

Edited 28 August 2014 by Alf Bentley

[Raj]

*Many British muslim men pretend to lead the archetype strict,koran reading friday prayer man.

But they long to live the opposite,hence they see the average white girl just as meat.

If they can get away with it they will...unfortunately the rest of their community wont admit this is an issue.

In contrast to Sikhs,Hindus the cases of muslim men and child molastation/rape is unproportionately high.

They,as a community need to sort themselves out...but we arent allowed to say anything to them are we???

 

(* not being stereotypical that why i put many)

 

[leicsmac]

As usual Alf has said most of what I'd want to say.

 

Serious, serious investigation required at all levels and made very, very public.

 

Whip hand...

 

Yup, because it's all played out the way dear old Mr Powell said.

 

And you had the temerity to consider me deluded when I merely said that space travel would be important for the future.

[Dr The Singh]

I'm not shocked that there should be instances of such depravity, but the scale and organised nature of it and the fact that it's taken so long for anything significant to be done about it really is shocking.

 

An estimated 1400 kids?!? It also sounds as if that may be an under-estimate, as there may be under-reporting by certain groups.... and the entire population of Rotherham is only 258,000 (albeit that many more will have passed through over the period in question)!

 

There are at least a couple of massive questions that need detailed investigation:

1) Why and how did this culture develop, whereby particular groups (mainly, if not entirely, men of Pakistani origin) openly worked together to abuse young girls? Because it clearly was a culture, not just a few isolated, depraved individuals.

2) Why did the authorities - from the police to local council services - fail to address the situation adequately?

 

Investigations into the culture of abuse need to look in detail at these men's attitudes and where they came from - and that needs to include connections to racial or religious background, along with other factors. Individual rapists and child abusers come from every background, but there's clearly a particular problem with particular groups developing a particular culture here. Beyond identifying the criminals involved and dealing with them through the courts, we need to understand why this is happening if we're going to be able to stop it becoming even more widespread. Are Islamic attitudes to women (e.g. subservient status or strict attitudes to premarital sex) feeding the problem? Or are these attitudes rooted in particular Muslim groups (the problem with so many Pakistani men doesn't seem to be replicated with Bangladeshi or Middle Eastern men, as far as I can tell - though some Iraqis, Afghans, Somalis and Kosovans have also been involved in different cases)? Were these men single or married? Were they mostly of lowly status? Were they heavily into internet porn? Was all this some weird extrapolation from traditional Muslim values - that "respectable" girls should be treated with respect, but that troubled girls were fair game? The contrast between strict traditional attitudes and liberal Western values - and their potential for abuse? And why all the violence? Grown men wanting to have sex with schoolgirls is abusive, but willfully bringing violence into it seems to be taking it to another level - one of contempt, hostility and misogyny....and it's interesting that, while the majority of reported cases involved white girls, some also involved Asian girls and the suggestion seems to be that this group may be under-reported due to fears of damaged reputations, being disowned by their families etc.

 

The second issue of why so little was done about it also requires some difficult questions. Were these girls seen as unimportant by the police because so many of them seem to have come from troubled backgrounds ("chavs", "slappers" and "benefit scroungers", anyone)? Were people, at the council in particular, treading on eggshells for fear of being seen as racist? If so, that's racist in itself; particular problems sometimes disproportionately afflict particular racial/religious groups for cultural reasons and it is equal treatment to address that reality. Also, what role was played by the fact that Rotherham has effectively been a "rotten borough", with local politics and patronage dominated for decades by one party (Labour here, but could easily be other parties elsewhere)? 

 

Clearly, people need to go to jail, heads need to roll and complacent people need to take responsibility, but if that's all that happens, it will just be a fire-fighting exercise and the problem will keep cropping up elsewhere.

 

We might think that we understand what has gone on, but serious and detailed investigative work needs to be done into what lies behind this. Maybe that will confirm what we think or maybe it won't, but we owe it to potential future victims and to the health of our society, to investigate this properly at every level.

Some great points on there Alf and well written!

 

People, this is nothing new, it's been going on for decades, it's not isolated to Rotherham, I've posted links/documentaries on here from the 80's regarding muslim men grooming in Birmingham, and at that time they were not taken seriously, fortunate for us, a Sikh gang called Shere Punjab took matters into there own hands and eradicated the issue.  The issue in Leicester recently, where SIkhs again took matters into there own hands due to the police not acting.  The SIkh groups are doing a fantastic job in highlighting the issue within our community, there needs to be a nationwide effort to educate those most vunerable.

 

There definitely is an issue in challenging islamic historical belief and the religion itself when these matter arise as I believe they are a contributing factor, aswell as other cultural factors.  Having read the Quran and Hadiths, and being from a culture that has had issues with islam forces, particularly pakistani, I may seem biased, but there's nothing that i've been saying that hasn't come to light.  The behaviour I believe is centuries old.

[Dr The Singh]

I  have a copy of Secular News for Leicester and there was an article about A senior cardinal who was found guilty of child abuse. They said he had been defrocked but given the punishment of the French word for Secularism (i dont have the mag in front of me) It went on to say the Secular Society don't want him. According to the priest rule book  once someone is ordained it stays with them for life. Even when stripped of the title of priest they can give rites extremis.

I think the Cardinal was the one the Pope refused to have investigated,

 

If I worked in that department of child services I would do everything I could to expose what was going on even if it meant putting my job on the line. Which is why I cannot understand how others would not feel the same. It does not add up.

Ken, the stats for child abuse shows white people are the majority culprit, but child abuse has many streams.  This stream of grooming vunerable children on the streets and exploitation the largest cuprits have been men from a islamic background, infact no media should use the word ASIAN, as 98% of men from ASIAN background are Muslim, and i think 85% from Pakistani background.

 

So this thought that it's not a particular group who exploits this way is not true, and even departments, authorities and charities are acknowledging that there is a problem within the Pakistani community.  If you watched newsnight, the lady from the 'protection of vunerable children', was very careful with her words, showing we still have a long way in being open about this.  Yet the Labour council minister, a Pakistani, openly admitted there is a problem within his community and something must be done, what a parallel.

 

From the Guardian:

We believe that there are two main profiles of the on-street groomer. First, we have the white offenders, who typically offend alone. So far, nothing new: the lone white male is the norm for UK child sex offences. Second, however, there are Asian offenders, many of whom are of Pakistani origin. They seem much more likely to offend in groups, lending their abuse a curiously social dimension. In our research, which focuses on large offending groups, we analysed police data from five major on-street grooming investigations. Of the 52 suspects charged, 83% were Asian Pakistani, 11% Asian other and 6% white British.

[Guest MattP]

Why do some Muslim youth behave like this people ask?

Main reason I'd imagine is that they probably knew through the ultra wishy washy late 90's and 2000's they could get away with it. Secondly the Quran pretty much states they can take any non Muslim women with the sword arm, so no problems there either.

Well done Rotherham, a adopted child in a loving home taken away by social services as the foster parents had the audacity to be UKIP members while a blind eye was turned to this. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

[Captain...]

We probably shouldn't feel too superior. Rape within marriage was legal in England and Wales until 1991, so it was the cultural norm here until recently!

 

 

Not true to say it was a cultural norm, the law changed in 1991 because there was a case brought to the courts and the law was set as the House of Lords overruled precedent and made it law.

 

If the law had been brought in by the House of Commons due to political pressure, then you might be justified in saying it was a cultural norm, but one reported case in 1991 doesn't make it a cultural norm.

 

Even if it was, that isn't really a justification for marital rape in other cultures.

[Dr The Singh]

WTF, why are media still using term Asian to represent that grooming gang!!!  Asia is a whole continent, it is well defined what origin the perpretators were!!

 

Makes my blood boil!!!       

Edited 28 August 2014 by Dr The Singh

[Guest MattP]

WTF, why are media still using term Asian to represent that grooming gang!!! Asia is a whole continent, it is well defined what origin the perpretators were!!

Makes my blood boil!!!

I was saying the same to Jag last night, it's obscene and warped that word is still used, why Hindus and Sikhs have to be connected to this just because they have the same skin colour is disgusting and a stain on some of the media reporting. Edited 28 August 2014 by MattP

[Dr The Singh]

I was saying the same to Jag last night, it's obscene and warped that word is still used, why Hindus and Sikhs have to be connected to this just because they have the same skin colour is disgusting and a stain on some of the media reporting.

Jag = John Prescott.......you live in high society mate!!

 

The media is also 'pussying' out of stating the truth, the PC, effin 'do gooders', need to fooook offf, there is a underbelly in society that has allowed particular nasty traits and beliefs that are already impacting our country, it maybe a minority doing the acts but there is a majority either feeding it, feeding from it, or turning a blind eye, that in itself is a crime!!  I'm sick of the 'oh but majority are fine, it's only a minority' brigade, they can foook offf aswell!!

[bovril]

It's those bloody North Koreans and Mongolians!

[Rincewind]

It's those bloody North Koreans and Mongolians!

Thought it was the Welsh.

[Alf Bentley]

 

People, this is nothing new, it's been going on for decades, it's not isolated to Rotherham, I've posted links/documentaries on here from the 80's regarding muslim men grooming in Birmingham, and at that time they were not taken seriously, fortunate for us, a Sikh gang called Shere Punjab took matters into there own hands and eradicated the issue.  The issue in Leicester recently, where SIkhs again took matters into there own hands due to the police not acting.  The SIkh groups are doing a fantastic job in highlighting the issue within our community, there needs to be a nationwide effort to educate those most vunerable.

 

There definitely is an issue in challenging islamic historical belief and the religion itself when these matter arise as I believe they are a contributing factor, aswell as other cultural factors.  Having read the Quran and Hadiths, and being from a culture that has had issues with islam forces, particularly pakistani, I may seem biased, but there's nothing that i've been saying that hasn't come to light.  The behaviour I believe is centuries old.

 

Your praise for Sikhs taking the law into their own hands makes me a bit uneasy - and the Leicester episode didn't work out particularly well. Can understand the temptation, though, when the consequences of inaction are so serious and the authorities fail to deal with problems so often. I'd be happier with the police and council social work departments sharpening up their act big time, though.

 

Is it down to "Islamic historical belief"? Maybe, and the particular culture of grooming girls for communal abuse certainly seems to be strongly linked to particular (mainly Pakistani) Muslim communities, but wouldn't Bangladeshi Muslims have as much right to feel aggrieved at your universal criticism of "Islam" as you do to feel aggrieved at the constant references to "Asians"? A thorough investigation needs to focus on why so many (mainly Pakistani) Muslim men are getting involved in this. 

 

Ken, the stats for child abuse shows white people are the majority culprit, but child abuse has many streams.  This stream of grooming vunerable children on the streets and exploitation the largest cuprits have been men from a islamic background, infact no media should use the word ASIAN, as 98% of men from ASIAN background are Muslim, and i think 85% from Pakistani background.

 

So this thought that it's not a particular group who exploits this way is not true, and even departments, authorities and charities are acknowledging that there is a problem within the Pakistani community.  If you watched newsnight, the lady from the 'protection of vunerable children', was very careful with her words, showing we still have a long way in being open about this.  Yet the Labour council minister, a Pakistani, openly admitted there is a problem within his community and something must be done, what a parallel.

 

From the Guardian:

We believe that there are two main profiles of the on-street groomer. First, we have the white offenders, who typically offend alone. So far, nothing new: the lone white male is the norm for UK child sex offences. Second, however, there are Asian offenders, many of whom are of Pakistani origin. They seem much more likely to offend in groups, lending their abuse a curiously social dimension. In our research, which focuses on large offending groups, we analysed police data from five major on-street grooming investigations. Of the 52 suspects charged, 83% were Asian Pakistani, 11% Asian other and 6% white British.

 

Excellent post, this one, Doctor. I gas on too much, but you've nailed a couple of key points there: (1) While all groups get involved in abuse and whites are the main culprits for individual abuse, there's a particular culture of mainly Pakistani Muslim men getting involved in this street grooming and communal abuse. (2) It's not "Asians", it's particular Muslim groups, notably those of Pakistani origin.

 

I mean, to be frivolous for a moment, if I read that "Europeans" were cycling around wearing berets, with strings of onions around their necks, smelling of garlic, I'd say "Er, No, that'll be the French". Likewise, if a Frenchman read about "Europeans" painting their faces with the flag of St. George, getting tanked up on lager and having a punch-up, they might return the favour!

 

Not true to say it was a cultural norm, the law changed in 1991 because there was a case brought to the courts and the law was set as the House of Lords overruled precedent and made it law.

 

If the law had been brought in by the House of Commons due to political pressure, then you might be justified in saying it was a cultural norm, but one reported case in 1991 doesn't make it a cultural norm.

 

Even if it was, that isn't really a justification for marital rape in other cultures.

 

I should have at least put inverted commas around "cultural norm". Obviously, marital rape wasn't the cultural norm in this country before 1991 - and I assume that it wasn't in Pakistan, either (DK about that). But it was legal in this country and did happen here as well (still does, I presume)....and I'm old enough to remember that there were a minority of people who argued against the legal change on the grounds that women had agreed to sex with their husbands by marrying them.

 

Clearly, though, my intention was to challenge his implication that rape within marriage was the norm for Pakistani men while we didn't do things like that in this country. I can't say that I find the role of women in many Muslim communities appealing, but you'd need some serious evidence to imply that it was the norm for any group of men to rape their wives.

[Dr The Singh]

Your praise for Sikhs taking the law into their own hands makes me a bit uneasy - and the Leicester episode didn't work out particularly well. Can understand the temptation, though, when the consequences of inaction are so serious and the authorities fail to deal with problems so often. I'd be happier with the police and council social work departments sharpening up their act big time, though.

 

Is it down to "Islamic historical belief"? Maybe, and the particular culture of grooming girls for communal abuse certainly seems to be strongly linked to particular (mainly Pakistani) Muslim communities, but wouldn't Bangladeshi Muslims have as much right to feel aggrieved at your universal criticism of "Islam" as you do to feel aggrieved at the constant references to "Asians"? A thorough investigation needs to focus on why so many (mainly Pakistani) Muslim men are getting involved in this. 

 

 

Excellent post, this one, Doctor. I gas on too much, but you've nailed a couple of key points there: (1) While all groups get involved in abuse and whites are the main culprits for individual abuse, there's a particular culture of mainly Pakistani Muslim men getting involved in this street grooming and communal abuse. (2) It's not "Asians", it's particular Muslim groups, notably those of Pakistani origin.

 

I mean, to be frivolous for a moment, if I read that "Europeans" were cycling around wearing berets, with strings of onions around their necks, smelling of garlic, I'd say "Er, No, that'll be the French". Likewise, if a Frenchman read about "Europeans" painting their faces with the flag of St. George, getting tanked up on lager and having a punch-up, they might return the favour!

 

 

I should have at least put inverted commas around "cultural norm". Obviously, marital rape wasn't the cultural norm in this country before 1991 - and I assume that it wasn't in Pakistan, either (DK about that). But it was legal in this country and did happen here as well (still does, I presume)....and I'm old enough to remember that there were a minority of people who argued against the legal change on the grounds that women had agreed to sex with their husbands by marrying them.

 

Clearly, though, my intention was to challenge his implication that rape within marriage was the norm for Pakistani men while we didn't do things like that in this country. I can't say that I find the role of women in many Muslim communities appealing, but you'd need some serious evidence to imply that it was the norm for any group of men to rape their wives.

I understand where your comming from, but the intervention was out of necessity, in all cases the law were given ample time, info and co-operation.  The SAS have been in the media and have given a thorough account of the Leicester case, in one particular incidence the perps were waiting outside the girls house and said to her, if she did not come out they would post naked pictures of the girl on facebook and they would come to the girls house and beat her parents up.  The SAS and police were involved at this stage, the girl rang the Mohan Singh of the SAS, he rang the police, telling the police that the guys are outside her house and threatening her, the police were aware of the circumstances and yet did nothing, citing that they are investigating the case.  That girl unfortunately was so in fear, so fearful that she would never call the police herself, she didn't listen to Mohan Singh and seeing no help from authorities felt she had no choice, that night she was raped repeatedly.  The perps were well known in the community and the restaurant was a well known meeting point for these guys, and people within those circles knew this was going on.  In many peoples perception, only until the violence had happened, which was only out of frustration and a last resort in many peoples eye's, did it get the media attention and made the police react.  ANger and frustration vented over and unfortunately innocent people in the restaurant were traumatised

 

Now, we all would like the social services, community and police work together, so there would be no violence but as with the Birmingham cases in the 90's which the Shere Punjab openly came on TV and stated the facts and cooperated fully with the police and the Leicester case, where authorities reacted too far gone.  If that was your child, your daughter, are you going to wait for the authorities to react, or are you going to do something about it, messy as it maybe, sometimes violence is justified.  One thing for sure, it sends a message out that no matter what, we will not tolerate such behaviour, those that will think about doing such, will think again.  I actually think we reacted too slow, those girls misery could have been cut alot shorter, for me if that meant breaking the law, so be it, it's worth it.

[ADK]

You only get one side of the story, I'm not saying it's wrong but doesn't really prove anything.

[Dr The Singh]

You only get one side of the story, I'm not saying it's wrong but doesn't really prove anything.

Explain????  The victims are vunerable young kids and teenagers, we know whatever the circumstances, having sex with them is wrong, were not expecting these girls to have forced these men to exploit them are we????

[ADK]

I meant with regards the vigilante stuff.

[Dr The Singh]

I meant with regards the vigilante stuff.

Please explain? Leicester incidence, has been well documented, since that case there has been no violence.  80's Shere Punjab sorted the problem, highlighted it in the media, and after were gone!! Incidences and circumstances cause voilence to erupt!!

[Alf Bentley]

I don't know enough about the Leicester or Birmingham cases to tell whether Dr The Singh's account is balanced and accurate.

 

I do know that vigilante action often leads to innocent people getting hurt or worse - remember the Taufiq family burned to death in Leicester by Antoin Akpom's mates taking the law into their own hands? Some children were hurt and terrified by the vigilante raid on that Leicester restaurant, weren't they? Likewise, there have been instances of anti-paedophile vigilantes attacking or even killing people wrongly suspected of being paedophiles, who were actually quite innocent and just happened to be loners or a bit odd.

 

I'm not saying that I have no sympathy for the instinct to protect your own, if the authorities do nothing to protect them. I do have sympathy. I'm sure that I'd do the same myself if I found myself in that situation. But making sure the police and other authorities do their job of upholding the law has to be the absolute priority....along with some serious research to properly understand why people indulge in such depravity.

[Captain...]

I should have at least put inverted commas around "cultural norm". Obviously, marital rape wasn't the cultural norm in this country before 1991 - and I assume that it wasn't in Pakistan, either (DK about that). But it was legal in this country and did happen here as well (still does, I presume)....and I'm old enough to remember that there were a minority of people who argued against the legal change on the grounds that women had agreed to sex with their husbands by marrying them.

 

Clearly, though, my intention was to challenge his implication that rape within marriage was the norm for Pakistani men while we didn't do things like that in this country. I can't say that I find the role of women in many Muslim communities appealing, but you'd need some serious evidence to imply that it was the norm for any group of men to rape their wives.

 

The thing is Alf, you didn't challenge that point, you tried to dismiss it by saying that marital rape was "technically" legal over here until 1991, so you could say that it was the "cultural norm" here. Obviously it wasn't but that doesn't mean it isn't the cultural norm in Pakistan and if you or I could prove what Dennis said wrong then we would and show him up for a bigoted racist.

 

We can't prove him wrong, we assume he is wrong, we hope he is wrong, because I think you see the world as I do, that generally all people are good. That most people know right from wrong, and that just because there is no law expressly forbidding it, no man would actually rape his wife and no culture would permit it as acceptable. So we assume it is just a cultural misunderstanding, a poor translation from on old text. We just can't believe it, even when confronted by evidence, so we don't.

 

This is exactly the sort of attitude that allowed this atrocity to happen in Rotherham. We have to accept that attitudes in Pakistan are fvcked up, it is not an insignificant minority, but that the overriding culture in Pakistan and other Muslim countries when it comes to women is something that cannot be tolerated and cannot be allowed to fester and develop (any further) in this country. This is not to say every Pakistani Muslim is a wife raper or child abuser, but there is clearly something within that culture that is rotten, and we can't keep on ignoring it and blaming it on a small fvcked up minority. I am horrified by the scale of this in Rotherham, and concerned about the number of similar cases that could come to light. I expect that these revelations will get a reaction similar to the Savile revelations, and there will be full scale investigations into all similar Pakistani and Muslim communities and every complaint no matter how small is investigated fully.

 

I really do hope that these investigations find no more incidences of abuse, and that actually this really was an isolated and extreme case that just happened to be men of Pakistani origin, but I'm not going to hold my breath, the scale and systematic failure of the authorities to protect these girls is beyond shocking and can never happen again.

Edited 28 August 2014 by Captain...