Buce Posted 1 May 2015 Posted 1 May 2015 Brilliant, the same bloke who last night was criticising people (rightly) for judging a man for nearly falling over on a stage decides to stoop to similar tactics to attack his opposition today. He got a word wrong. One was a slip, the other a Freudian slip. That's the difference.
MiniFox Posted 1 May 2015 Posted 1 May 2015 Brilliant, the same bloke who last night was criticising people (rightly) for judging a man for nearly falling over on a stage decides to stoop to similar tactics to attack his opposition today. He got a word wrong. The main reason I was criticising people was because somehow, falling off a stage apparently makes someone incompetent, if anything like the mistake with the football club he supports or Miliband not being able to eat a bacon sandwich properly, it has very little effect. I'll be honest, I can't help being a little bias, but I know full well a mistake like this will have little to no effect on the results. But, it was in the Guardian so I felt it was worth posting.
MiniFox Posted 1 May 2015 Posted 1 May 2015 One was a slip, the other a Freudian slip. That's the difference. Like I said, I don't think it will have much effect. It just seemed, worth posting, if Miliband made this mistake, a lot of people on here would be all over it.
MooseBreath Posted 1 May 2015 Posted 1 May 2015 I don't think it's a bad thing that we have exceptional schools and colleges, where leaders and politicians come from, but is it really fair that the family you're born into can almost determine how easy your life will be?To answer your question directly, no it isn't. But if you were to apply your thinking globally, which you should unless you're some kind of ostrich, where do you think you would fit into the picture then? You'd certainly be at the top. What are you doing to lower that ladder for the billions around the world who need it? Are Labour particularly known for improving social mobility anyway? Genuine question. If we appreciate that paying people to stay poor doesn't improve social mobility, what else do they do? They're not particularly well known for their production of jobs or their record on house prices or anything like that. They ruined higher education with their nonsensical plan to put 50% of people through university. What do labour do specifically that improves social mobility? I honestly can't think of anything.
MiniFox Posted 1 May 2015 Posted 1 May 2015 To answer your question directly, no it isn't. But if you were to apply your thinking globally, which you should unless you're some kind of ostrich, where do you think you would fit into the picture then? You'd certainly be at the top. What are you doing to lower that ladder for the billions around the world who need it? Are Labour particularly known for improving social mobility anyway? Genuine question. If we appreciate that paying people to stay poor doesn't improve social mobility, what else do they do? They're not particularly well known for their production of jobs or their record on house prices or anything like that. They ruined higher education with their nonsensical plan to put 50% of people through university. What do labour do specifically that improves social mobility? I honestly can't think of anything. Yes on a global level, we're very fortunate, no doubt about that. What can I seriously do to lower the ladder for the billions around the world? It's those in power who can make the difference, but until on a national level all of our own problems are solved, is there a real way we could help all these people? Probably not. As for Labour and social mobility, I couldn't tell you all the facts and figures, but what gets me is what we hear again and again is that the Tories talk about getting people back into work, which is great, but still some of these working people have to rely on some form of benefit, so what happens when the welfare is cut? What do these working people do then? Rely on the off chance a better job may come around? At least with Labour, these people are more likely to be able to get by. Obviously, they have and probably will get things wrong, as for sending large amounts of people through higher education, that of course has it's limitations and graduates won't be able to find a job as easily as they once could have. But in terms of improving social mobility, surely the apparent Tory plan to cut tax credits isn't isn't going to improve social mobility is it? Although, Cameron has said he has no plans to cut tax credits and child benefits, he hasn't completely ruled it out.
Guest Posted 1 May 2015 Posted 1 May 2015 Don't think Cameron has ever ruled out cutting from foreign aid from what I've watched but he wouldn't want to come across as UKIP mk2 at the minute. The welfare bill in total is about 140billion isn't it? (Sorry I'm on mobile so can't google that) so if he really wanted to find 12million I'm sure he could, he can go a bit further on the under occupancy charge, I'm sure working tax credits will be intended as part of this if wages do continue to rise as they have (albeit very recent) lately. I'm not sure on Ed, he hasn't actually been ask the question about it for a while and it seemed a bit off the cuff to me, as the audience started to snigger (and this was an audience the beeb openly told us was only 25% Tory at the start as well) you felt he realised he had made a mistake. Andrew Neil has just taken Hilary Benn to task on this as well regarding Labour public spending in and around 2005, if a country is still running at a deficit after 16 years of growth then when are you going to run at a surplus, he went off on a totally different line as per usual and tried to link it to neccessary public spending on hospitals which again he was rightly pulled up on as that was connected to PFI. I thought Labour were looking good to win the most seats a few weeks back but they simply can't nail this economic incompetence they are seen to have. It's not supposed to reach the bottom, it's supposed to reach just as far so someone at the bottom can jump onto it if they try and work hard enough too. Or on the stack of dead bodies that they've killed to reach the next rung!
Guest MattP Posted 1 May 2015 Posted 1 May 2015 Can you even begin to imagine how many times the Pearson Ostrich quotes are going to come up if we ever have long threads on something like Rotherham or the Paris attacks again?
bovril Posted 1 May 2015 Posted 1 May 2015 Can you even begin to imagine how many times the Pearson Ostrich quotes are going to come up if we ever have long threads on something like Rotherham or the Paris attacks again? I'm going to stick my neck out and say it'll be popular.
Dr The Singh Posted 1 May 2015 Posted 1 May 2015 Can you even begin to imagine how many times the Pearson Ostrich quotes are going to come up if we ever have long threads on something like Rotherham or the Paris attacks again?More importantly, who is White Dee voting for, and why is she not returning my calls?
Guest MattP Posted 1 May 2015 Posted 1 May 2015 More importantly, who is White Dee voting for, and why is she not returning my calls? She's hasn't actually backed anyone yet but said she 'might vote for UKIP'. Which is baffling for more reasons than I could explain tonight or any other. She says she doesn't like Ed Miliband or IDS (well dur, saying you hate IDS is easier than walking around with a sandwich board saying "I'm on benefits" isn't it) http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/benefits-street-star-white-dee-4344287 Why she isn't returning your calls is a mystery to all concerned, maybe Ken has finally wooed her after she saw his T-shirt, maybe Moosebreath has gone downmarket?, Looking at her kids you might just be a bit to pale for her, maybe I'm not telling you something I should....
Guest Posted 1 May 2015 Posted 1 May 2015 Why she isn't returning your calls is a mystery to all concerned, maybe Ken has finally wooed her after she saw his T-shirt, maybe Moosebreath has gone downmarket?, Looking at her kids you might just be a bit to pale for her, maybe I'm not telling you something I should....
Dr The Singh Posted 1 May 2015 Posted 1 May 2015 What you laughing at, this is bloody serious, parliamentary serious
Dr The Singh Posted 1 May 2015 Posted 1 May 2015 She's hasn't actually backed anyone yet but said she 'might vote for UKIP'. Which is baffling for more reasons than I could explain tonight or any other. She says she doesn't like Ed Miliband or IDS (well dur, saying you hate IDS is easier than walking around with a sandwich board saying "I'm on benefits" isn't it) http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/benefits-street-star-white-dee-4344287 Why she isn't returning your calls is a mystery to all concerned, maybe Ken has finally wooed her after she saw his T-shirt, maybe Moosebreath has gone downmarket?, Looking at her kids you might just be a bit to pale for her, maybe I'm not telling you something I should.... Rincy the old snide. She is well too classy for Moosey.Are you sure White Dee hasn't got IDS confused with ID (one direction)?
Dr The Singh Posted 1 May 2015 Posted 1 May 2015 She's hasn't actually backed anyone yet but said she 'might vote for UKIP'. Which is baffling for more reasons than I could explain tonight or any other. She says she doesn't like Ed Miliband or IDS (well dur, saying you hate IDS is easier than walking around with a sandwich board saying "I'm on benefits" isn't it) http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/benefits-street-star-white-dee-4344287 Why she isn't returning your calls is a mystery to all concerned, maybe Ken has finally wooed her after she saw his T-shirt, maybe Moosebreath has gone downmarket?, Looking at her kids you might just be a bit to pale for her, maybe I'm not telling you something I should.... How can she not like Mattp or myself, 3 weeks in a solarium we'll be black as a golly.
Vacamion Posted 1 May 2015 Posted 1 May 2015 Miliband speaking at a Labour rally in Glasgow this evening. Attendees, including women and children, had to run the gauntlet of Narionalist protesters, getting in their faces, shouting threats and calling them Quislings, Scum etc. Plenty of Twitter on about it up here. There is no way Miliband could go on a public walkabout, there would be a riot. Who would ever have thought that, in Glasgow? I fear for the future, Scotland is heading in the same direction as Northern Ireland....
BlueSi13 Posted 1 May 2015 Posted 1 May 2015 Miliband speaking at a Labour rally in Glasgow this evening. Attendees, including women and children, had to run the gauntlet of Narionalist protesters, getting in their faces, shouting threats and calling them Quislings, Scum etc. Plenty of Twitter on about it up here. There is no way Miliband could go on a public walkabout, there would be a riot. Who would ever have thought that, in Glasgow? I fear for the future, Scotland is heading in the same direction as Northern Ireland.... It's scary it really is. Can you honestly see a future for Scotland within the United Kingdom anymore? I personally think we are too far gone now....We've grown apart.
Rincewind Posted 2 May 2015 Posted 2 May 2015 A map and prediction of seats. From the Guardian so decide yourself how accurate it is. I do not know so cannot give a valued judgement. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2015/apr/20/election-2015-constituency-map There is a personal policy guide too.
Guest Bilo Posted 3 May 2015 Posted 3 May 2015 Men on one side, women on the other? Ah, I see it now. Not good to see, whichever party is allowing that to happen.
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