bovril Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 A lovely part of the country! It has the highest pub in Africa, so good choice. http://www.sanimountain.co.za/ Nice. I know very little about that part of the World, something I need to remedy.
Alf Bentley Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 A lovely part of the country! It has the highest pub in Africa, so good choice. http://www.sanimountain.co.za/ Looks a long and perilous walk home at closing time.
Merging Cultures Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 Nice. I know very little about that part of the World, something I need to remedy. Apparently so do I... I was in a rush to be funny... The pub is in Thaba-Tseka, which is still a pretty funny name.
Buce Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 Why anyone with a social conscience should avoid voting for another five years of Tory rule: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nearly-100000-of-britains-poorest-children-go-hungry-after-parents-benefits-are-cut-10079056.html
Guest MattP Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 Why anyone with a social conscience should avoid voting for another five years of Tory rule: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nearly-100000-of-britains-poorest-children-go-hungry-after-parents-benefits-are-cut-10079056.html And put back in the party that leaves office every single time with more people unemployed than when it arrived leaving people unable to support their families? There is a reason most low paid workers even don't vote Labour anymore.
Rincewind Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 because everything is fine and dandy and the suffering and hardship people are going through is a ploy made up by the loony left with an agenda
Buce Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 And put back in the party that leaves office every single time with more people unemployed than when it arrived leaving people unable to support their families? There is a reason most low paid workers even don't vote Labour anymore. That's just 'whataboutary', Matt; how about a comment on the article itself.
MooseBreath Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 If the kids are going hungry, the parents should be locked up never mind sanctioned. Absolutely no excuse for not walking to the food bank. I find it very hard to believe that the story is true. If it is, shame on those parents, they really are disgusting people. If it's not, shame on the church for using blatantly emotive hyperbole to push their political agenda, I'm pretty sure God wouldn't look kindly on either possibility.
Buce Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 If the kids are going hungry, the parents should be locked up never mind sanctioned. Absolutely no excuse for not walking to the food bank. I find it very hard to believe that the story is true. If it is, shame on those parents, they really are disgusting people. If it's not, shame on the church for using blatantly emotive hyperbole to push their political agenda, I'm pretty sure God wouldn't look kindly on either possibility. How do you sleep at night? Alone, obviously.
Rincewind Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 is this the same god cameron uses to push his 'christian values'? why if you disagree with someone is it a political agenda and if you agree with them its the truth and right thing to do? do people really think that it is easy to have to go to a foodbank to ask for help. it is humiliating to have to admit that you do not have enough to feed your kids. a lot of mothers would starve themselves before allowing their kids go hungry. and do think its fun for the kids at school being picked on for being poor? how many vicars priests etc are standing at the election? i never knew the church was a political party. i have not seen their manifesto. unless its just help those worse off than yourself but i thought that was a humanitarian policy and nothing to do with politics. If they are having to highlight what is going on then does that not tell you that something is wrong with the present government policy?
MooseBreath Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 How do you sleep at night? Alone, obviously. Neither alone nor uncomfortably as it happens, not sure what that has got to do with my post though. Are you disputing that food banks are available to provide food for kids in the rare event that ordinary hand outs aren't enough? Surely this is obvious fact?
Jon the Hat Posted 2 March 2015 Author Posted 2 March 2015 because everything is fine and dandy and the suffering and hardship people are going through is a ploy made up by the loony left with an agenda I do have sympathy being in these positions, but I don't buy the link to cuts. Link it to the sanctions regime yes - it is clearly ****ing up left right and centre with those who are not mentally capable, or on parents who are failing their kids by not adhering to the not that difficult rules. I don't see why things like the bedroom tax or benefits caps should mean you can't feed your kids. I literally can't imagine a situation in which I would have my kids go hungry. There are literally dozens of routes I would take to make sure that didn't happen. I can only assume these parents are not able to convince any of their family or friends this is case, but can somehow convince the church.
lavrentis Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 Everyone knows it's effectively a graduate tax, so the whole idea that you're in debt up to your eyeballs is nonsense. The issue, if there is one, is that graduates aren't going to be paying enough back, especially those who undertake whimsical humanities subjects and end up shoeless in Shoreditch. If Labour want to do something about costs of higher education they could start by pushing for vocational subjects to be rid of all the superfluous crap that students have to do. There's no reason why it should take a 16-year-old five or six full time years to become qualified in ssomething like engineering. Cut out all the crap, speed it up, engage employers and churn out much more useful graduates at a faster rate for lower cost. If you can afford to live in Shoreditch you won't be shoeless
Webbo Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 Why anyone with a social conscience should avoid voting for another five years of Tory rule: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nearly-100000-of-britains-poorest-children-go-hungry-after-parents-benefits-are-cut-10079056.html The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) said it did not recognise the figures in the report. So how do we know know these figures are accurate? Nearly 100,000 of the poorest children in the UK went hungry last year because their parents’ benefits were stopped or cut, according to a report by a coalition of churches. 100.000? I find that hard to believe, are we talking about 1000 children missing 100 meals a year? Niall Cooper, of Church Action on Poverty, which helped write the report, added: “If you commit a crime, no court is allowed to make you go hungry as a punishment. “But if you’re late for an appointment at the Jobcentre they can remove all your income and leave you unable to feed you or your family for weeks.” First bit, obvious hyperbole, second bit, late or didn't turn up? If you haven't got a job what is the reason for not arriving on time? This seems to me to be a pressure group twisting stats to push an agenda.
Guest MattP Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 That's just 'whataboutary', Matt; how about a comment on the article itself. As soon as I read 'by a coalition of churches' I laughed and shut the article down.
Guest MattP Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 because everything is fine and dandy and the suffering and hardship people are going through is a ploy made up by the loony left with an agenda How would you even know? All due respect but how are you expecting to reap the benefits of the recovery? Looking at the opinion polls Labour's vote is literally down to the hardcore who would vote for them if Jimmy Savile was leader so I think these masses of people suffering is bollocks.
Guest MattP Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 is this the same god cameron uses to push his 'christian values'? why if you disagree with someone is it a political agenda and if you agree with them its the truth and right thing to do? do people really think that it is easy to have to go to a foodbank to ask for help. it is humiliating to have to admit that you do not have enough to feed your kids. a lot of mothers would starve themselves before allowing their kids go hungry. and do think its fun for the kids at school being picked on for being poor? how many vicars priests etc are standing at the election? i never knew the church was a political party. i have not seen their manifesto. unless its just help those worse off than yourself but i thought that was a humanitarian policy and nothing to do with politics. If they are having to highlight what is going on then does that not tell you that something is wrong with the present government policy? So now the church is bashing the Tories you are asking why no one is listening to them after spending the last ten years telling us how they should stay out of politics when they produce social opinions you disagree with?
Webbo Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 is this the same god cameron uses to push his 'christian values'? why if you disagree with someone is it a political agenda and if you agree with them its the truth and right thing to do? do people really think that it is easy to have to go to a foodbank to ask for help. it is humiliating to have to admit that you do not have enough to feed your kids. a lot of mothers would starve themselves before allowing their kids go hungry. and do think its fun for the kids at school being picked on for being poor? how many vicars priests etc are standing at the election? i never knew the church was a political party. i have not seen their manifesto. unless its just help those worse off than yourself but i thought that was a humanitarian policy and nothing to do with politics. If they are having to highlight what is going on then does that not tell you that something is wrong with the present government policy? I thought you said all christians are right wing hypocrites?
Buce Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 So how do we know know these figures are accurate? 100.000? I find that hard to believe, are we talking about 1000 children missing 100 meals a year? First bit, obvious hyperbole, second bit, late or didn't turn up? If you haven't got a job what is the reason for not arriving on time? This seems to me to be a pressure group twisting stats to push an agenda. No offence, Webbo, but if you choose not to believe the stats, there's no discussion to be had. Tbf, if I was a Tory voter, I wouldn't want to believe them either: it makes very uncomfortable reading.
Webbo Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 No offence, Webbo, but if you choose not to believe the stats, there's no discussion to be had. Tbf, if I was a Tory voter, I wouldn't want to believe them either: it makes very uncomfortable reading. If the DWP don't recognise the stats where have they come from?
Buce Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 As soon as I read 'by a coalition of churches' I laughed and shut the article down. So you ignore the message because you don't like the messenger? Have you not complained, long and loud (and rightly so) that you weren't believed about the Asian grooming gangs for precisely that reason? Seems like double standards to me, mate.
Buce Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 If the DWP don't recognise the stats where have they come from? I doubt that the DWP keep stats on how many kids are affected by sanctions: once someone is sanctioned they are non-people as far as DWP statistics are concerned.
Webbo Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 I doubt that the DWP keep stats on how many kids are affected by sanctions: once someone is sanctioned they are non-people as far as DWP statistics are concerned. So how has this group come up with these figures?
Buce Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 So how has this group come up with these figures? Hopefully, that will be made clear in the tv programme.
sphericalfox Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 How would you even know? All due respect but how are you expecting to reap the benefits of the recovery? Looking at the opinion polls Labour's vote is literally down to the hardcore who would vote for them if Jimmy Savile was leader so I think these masses of people suffering is bollocks. Doubt it, he was a definite Tory.
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