Make Leicester British.. channel 4 next week..

[DennisNedry]

Harry I think the vast majority know that the vast majority of poles are hard workers, very often more hard working and willing to work than British people.

 

Stereotypes don't just come from no where, they are based on truths or at least half truths or past truths.

 

What is the employment rate for Somalis? 

[absolutelegend]

Harry I think the vast majority know that the vast majority of poles are hard workers, very often more hard working and willing to work than British people.

Stereotypes don't just come from no where, they are based on truths or at least half truths or past truths.

What is the employment rate for Somalis?

If wikipedia is to be believed:

- 31.2% of Somali immigrant men are economically inactive, and 84.2% of Somali immigrant women

- 80% of Somali immigrants live in social housing

- 10.8% of Somali born households have 5 or more children, as opposed to 0.3% of the UK born population

[Matt]

What I will say in my experience of working with Poles is the do do lots of hours, they do seem to work hard, but in reality 8 times out 10 the work is wrong and needed to be redone, the main problem? Language barrier.

I'm not saying this goes for all Poles but in a majority that I've experienced.

[Raj]

Ive never seen any somalians working in town/shops etc....They must have msnagerial roles working in ivory towers.

[bovril]

"Says it how it is" is tabloid speak for 'has a similar opinion to me'.

[digitalalba]

'There's some Polish chaps not far from me who don't work, therefore I know that the Polish aren't really the hard workers they're made out to be.' That's such a classic case of confirmation bias. One example does very little to prove or disprove a certain stereotype. No, you don't "know" that the Polish aren't willing to work.

 

Your comments show that you believe what you want to believe. You've assumed that the stereotype about Polish workers is untrue and that it was created by the left simply because that description of the world appeals to you more.

Who said the above?

[Bellend Sebastian]

Saw a Somalian woman dropping her kids off at school this morning, chatting with the other parents and smiling.

 

Made my blood boil, it did

[bovril]

Saw a Somalian woman dropping her kids off at school this morning, chatting with the other parents and smiling.

 

Made my blood boil, it did

 

And YOU'RE paying for it.

[Raj]

Saw a Somalian woman dropping her kids off at school this morning, chatting with the other parents and smiling.o

Made my blood boil, it did

only after watching that programme though...before that i bet she never integrated with em!!!

[Rincewind]

So a friendly person upsets people. The mind boggles.

 

I'm curious, do Somalians have a big sign over their head to indicate what country they were born in?

[Bellend Sebastian]

only after watching that programme though...before that i bet she never integrated with em!!!

They can watch television??!?!

AND ON A BLOODY FLAT SCREEN TELEVISION AS WELL I SHOULDN'T WONDER

[Raj]

you paid for that telly!!!!

[MooseBreath]

I'm curious, do Somalians have a big sign over their head to indicate what country they were born in?

No but they are very distinctive. I reckon I could correctly identify someone in Leicester as Somalian 19 times out of 20.

[bovril]

No but they are very distinctive. I reckon I could correctly identify someone in Leicester as Somalian 19 times out of 20.

 

20th would be Rincewind in blackface.

[Stadt]

20th would be Rincewind in blackface.

!

[Bellend Sebastian]

you paid for that telly!!!!

 

I didn't get a receipt or anything

[Soar Fox]

The Somalian woman wasn't married or didn't have a boyfriend did she. She said it was against her religion to share a house with other men, so how did she have a 12 month old baby?

[bovril]

The Somalian woman wasn't married or didn't have a boyfriend did she. She said it was against her religion to share a house with other men, so how did she have a 12 month old baby?

 

She didn't say it was against her religion to share a public lav with a man.

[Guest MattP]

Ive never seen any somalians working in town/shops etc....They must have msnagerial roles working in ivory towers.

 

I was going to ask the same question, I've worked with thousands in Leicester over the years and I've never seen a Somalian, where are they all? What do they actually do?

 

If wikipedia is to be believed:

- 31.2% of Somali immigrant men are economically inactive, and 84.2% of Somali immigrant women

- 80% of Somali immigrants live in social housing

- 10.8% of Somali born households have 5 or more children, as opposed to 0.3% of the UK born population

 

Article in the Times and Telegraph today has some very interesting statistics from the ONS today.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html

 

Less than 1 in 5 Somalians actually work and 90% of elderdy Bangladesh women (who have lived here for 10+ years) cannot speak English, how do you get to a point where the number can get that high? Maybe speaking the lingo should be a requirement for a pension?

 

Good news the Poles are at about 75% employment which is higher than any other nationality including the Brits, you have to wonder why the pro-EU aren't so keen to point this out, I get the feeling it's because if they full facts were looked at and talked about we'd also have to then deal with the truth about how many Somali's, Pakistani's, Bangladeshi's etc are actually working when the figure is well under 50% for all three ethnic groups.

[Guest MattP]

So a friendly person upsets people. The mind boggles.

 

I'm curious, do Somalians have a big sign over their head to indicate what country they were born in?

 

They are usually pretty easy to identity, I've had the added advantage of working with a few people from Kenya, Ethopia and Eritrea as well so you can usually tell the subtle differences between a lot of East Africans after you have spent a lot of time with them.

 

The Somalian woman wasn't married or didn't have a boyfriend did she. She said it was against her religion to share a house with other men, so how did she have a 12 month old baby?

 

A question I was very disappointed no one asked.

 

I get the impression Somali customs and cultures might not be as strict when it comes to things that earn a few extra quid.

 

Let's be honest, she has no choice but to pop out kids or she'll have to actually do something and contribute to society.

[Bettsj2]

I was going to ask the same question, I've worked with thousands in Leicester over the years and I've never seen a Somalian, where are they all? What do they actually do?

Article in the Times and Telegraph today has some very interesting statistics from the ONS today.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html

Less than 1 in 5 Somalians actually work and 90% of elderdy Bangladesh women (who have lived here for 10+ years) cannot speak English, how do you get to a point where the number can get that high? Maybe speaking the lingo should be a requirement for a pension?

Good news the Poles are at about 75% employment which is higher than any other nationality including the Brits, you have to wonder why the pro-EU aren't so keen to point this out, I get the feeling it's because if they full facts were looked at and talked about we'd also have to then deal with the truth about how many Somali's, Pakistani's, Bangladeshi's etc are actually working when the figure is well under 50% for all three ethnic groups.

I'm not sure the pro or anti EU would really give a toss about Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Somali workers.

[Guest MattP]

I'm not sure the pro or anti EU would really give a toss about Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Somali workers.

 

I think a lot of the very pro-mass immigration, pro-multicultural arguers would be very uncomfortable with having to discuss the clear problems we have with getting some non EU migrants to work.

 

You still hear people saying things like "Most Pakistanis/Somali's" etc are working people who don't live off the state when the facts seem to suggest that it's clearly nowhere near the truth and when it comes to Somali's especially very few seem to actually be working people supporting themselves.

[Bettsj2]

I think a lot of the very pro-mass immigration, pro-multicultural arguers would be very uncomfortable with having to discuss the clear problems we have with getting some non EU migrants to work.

You still hear people saying things like "Most Pakistanis/Somali's" etc are working people who don't live off the state when the facts seem to suggest that it's clearly nowhere near the truth and when it comes to Somali's especially very few seem to actually be working people supporting themselves.

Its too difficult a conversation to had. Many Somalis are asylum seekers and a good proportion of them cant actually work due to the terms of their asylum.

Disecting it all would be too ridiculous as the stats would be manipulated to suit whichever argument.

Much like on here really.

[Guest MattP]

We should try though, it's always important to try and get to the truth of the facts. As I've said I've worked with thousands in Leicester and have never worked with a Somali, I honestly don't know how that's possible given how many of them there are in the City, most seem to do the Holland>UK route as well which is a choice they are making that we need to understand why.

 

160billion in just over ten years is a lot of money to lose though and if non-EU migration has cost us that it's very important we talk about it and how we can avoid this as it's not a figure this country can afford at all in this times.

 

Of course then there is the argument of whether people see the argument over immigration as solely a fiscal one, I personally don't and would place just as much emphasis on community cohesion as they could have huge effects on the country going forward. (For example we've just had a London a whole borough have to be taken back into central control at huge expense because of Bengali tribal politics that has completely ruined the democratic process in that part of London)

 

Is the Somali community making such a magnificent social contribution to the UK that we can overlook how much they cost us?

[Guest MattP]

The point I'm trying to make quite often here is that if we are going to talk about how good some migrants are and openly say that 'these are the sort of people that we want as they make us richer', then surely we also have to have the argument on the other side about migrants we probably don't want and 'the sort of people we don't want here as they cost us'.

 

Some people seem to want to have their cake and eat it.