Buce Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 I bumped into an old neighbour a while back; his life hasn't changed much, he's still a junkie. The big difference is where his smack was coming from: he claims Somali youths have pretty much taken over drugs supply around the east of the city.
Samilktray Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 I have a friend whos Somalian and owns his own (very successful) business aswell as working full time elsewhere and hes younger than me. Breaking the mould apparently.
Bettsj2 Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 The point I'm trying to make quite often here is that if we are going to talk about how good some migrants are and openly say that 'these are the sort of people that we want as they make us richer', then surely we also have to have the argument on the other side about migrants we probably don't want and 'the sort of people we don't want here as they cost us'. Some people seem to want to have their cake and eat it. The problem with that debate is it opens it up to many factors about indiginous scroungers too. That is certainly not something governments want to tackle so they avoid dealing with any of it!
WhatsHisName Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 I was just about to watch that on 4OD, but decided against it as programs like that tend to be complete nonsense with a number of really stupid people
MooseBreath Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29910497 Some interesting numbers there. EEA immigrants just about cover themselves if you pick your time periods wisely. Non-EEA immigrants are absolutely miles behind. They contribute nowhere near enough to cover themselves. British nationals are also costing more than they earn, though obviously you have to take into account that there are about 20 times more British nationals than non-EEA immigrants. Seems like these asylum seekers and illegal immigrants are basically a bunch of dossers, economically speaking, and anecdotal evidence doesn't suggest they're bringing much in terms of social cohesion either. We should get these issues sorted out before we even start worrying about EU immigration.
Babylon Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 Many Somalis are asylum seekers and a good proportion of them cant actually work due to the terms of their asylum. A large number of Somalis aren't asylum seekers, they are secondary migrants from countries like Holland, Sweden, Denmark.
ADK Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 I wouldn't trust any statistics based argument without an in depth study of the economic models used. It's too complicated a calculation to make accurately really.
Bettsj2 Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 A large number of Somalis aren't asylum seekers, they are secondary migrants from countries like Holland, Sweden, Denmark. There's no debate there. The problem with a country like Somalia is, regardless of the status (asylum seeker or immigrant) there is not a cat in hells chance that someone from that particular country (or any war-torn nation) would be turned away at the point of entry or asked to leave once in situ. The simplistic argument would obviously be, 'get rid of all of them' or 'shut the door completely' but the reality is, our nation has interests in pretty much every corner of this planet and if we took the decision to isolate ourselves, the house of cards would soon fall quite quickly which is why any political party in Government has a very loud rhetoric but a very soft stance on these issues. From what I know of politics, its usually the case that the things that bother people the most, often are dealt with very little.
Guest MattP Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 The problem with that debate is it opens it up to many factors about indiginous scroungers too. That is certainly not something governments want to tackle so they avoid dealing with any of it! I can assure you I think we should be be just as harsh with the indiginous scroungers as we should be with the imported ones Also, given the EU charter on Asylum says they must seek refuge in the first 'safe' country they land in it should be be highly improbable we would ever have to deal with a genuine asylum seeker. The problem the statistics seem to tell us with Somalians is that they very rarely seek asylum here but often come here after having their application given to them by somewhere like Sweden or Holland, so what makes us far more attractive to them and why should we pay for 'asylum seekers' who had already landed in a safe country? I'm sure I read a while back that Americans, Indians, Australians all make positive net contributions as well so the figures for Bengali, Somali etc would in reality be even worse than we see when they just lumped in with all the other no EEC migrants. The figures for them as individual communities would be horrific, a high percentage are clearly literally giving nothing back at all to society they are taking so much from.
Guest MattP Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 An important point regarding the EU that has been missed as well is that it's only because of the freedom of movement laws that these people can come here from Holland/Sweden etc after they have been granted asylum. So the two still can't be completely separated.
MooseBreath Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 Wouldn't Somalian immigrants who arrived through Holland count as EU immigrants though? Or do they go on nationality?
ADK Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 I can't actually find the law regarding people granted asylum in other EU states and whether they are allowed to enter the UK freely. Does anyone know the answer?
DennisNedry Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 It's not as if the Somalian woman claimed asylum last year with her 4 young children... she came over here 12 years ago and has had all those children since. Why should we pay for her to breed?! Anyway, what do the 'lefties' who always bring up the 'immigrants are good for the economy' argument say to this then? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html Immigrants who came to live in Britain from outside Europe cost the public purse nearly £120 billion over 17 years, a new report has shown. On the plus side, looks like migrants from Europe just about cover themselves.
bovril Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 I can't actually find the law regarding people granted asylum in other EU states and whether they are allowed to enter the UK freely. Does anyone know the answer? I'm almost sure they can't. However quite a few acquire an EU passport on their way across Europe.
fuchsntf Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 The problem with that debate is it opens it up to many factors about indiginous scroungers too. That is certainly not something governments want to tackle so they avoid dealing with any of it! At last the real Truth
fuchsntf Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 I love immigrants..I am one myself, living off the fat of the land, dodged my way to early retirement, taking money for nothing. Everybody should try it once in their life.Gives one another perspective, and aspect in/of life. Money, money aint it funny....
Webbo Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 The problem with that debate is it opens it up to many factors about indiginous scroungers too. That is certainly not something governments want to tackle so they avoid dealing with any of it! Have you not heard about the govt's welfare reforms?
Bettsj2 Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 Have you not heard about the govt's welfare reforms? If the reforms were a cock, they wouldnt even touch the sides. Dont be fooled with token gestures.
Webbo Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 If the reforms were a cock, they wouldnt even touch the sides. Dont be fooled with token gestures. Don't say that to Ken.
Rincewind Posted 5 November 2014 Posted 5 November 2014 I can read and I ignore most of the stuff posted now.
absolutelegend Posted 6 November 2014 Posted 6 November 2014 If the reforms were a cock, they wouldnt even touch the sides. Dont be fooled with token gestures. HahaSo true though.
babylad92 Posted 6 November 2014 Posted 6 November 2014 sajal pissd me off tbh if ur on benefits in a council house then why give birth to 4 children shes clearly taking advantage of the system that said kit was too agressive and didnt realize that a lot of immigrants work hard eg eduardas(?) john was a lovely bloke liked him a lot and its good him and eduardas got on really well they connected brilliantly suki was on the extreme side tbh his behaviour was weird nd the way he told eduardas not to put up the lithunian flag was very rude my favourites were: eduardas john kamil jen ola (seemed like a decent person) least favourites in order: suky kit and definately sajal last
babylad92 Posted 6 November 2014 Posted 6 November 2014 So a friendly person upsets people. The mind boggles. I'm curious, do Somalians have a big sign over their head to indicate what country they were born in? not to be racist but somalis have big foreheads so u can literaly tell yeah this person is ethnic somali by their heads
Rincewind Posted 6 November 2014 Posted 6 November 2014 not to be racist but somalis have big foreheads so u can literaly tell yeah this person is ethnic somali by their heads Aaah I see now. Like you can spot Martians because they have a penis on their head?
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