Make Leicester British.. channel 4 next week..

[Vicki Vixen]

You want to live here, then get off your arse and work.

 

Somebody should have told Sean St Ledger

[leicsmac]

Not all immigrants are hard working and not all indiginous white people are lazy. Sweeping generalisations are the complete problem with these sorts of debates.

There are disingenuous people in regard to everything. Asylum, benefit claims, paying tax, paying wages etc etc. the truth is, the people in charge (governments) know that it costs far too much to even attempt to properly filter out the fraud so just let it slide but make noise about trying to stop it in order to appease the general public.

I did an insurance review for the government on asylum seekers a few years ago and some of the content was ridiculous. Genuine asylum seekers definitely dont come here for the benefits but the illusion that they'll be protected from whatever evils they're running from is pretty much bullsh!t too.

Disingenuous asylum seekers who claim benefit on arrival are often suprised at how little they get to what they expected. 5 in 1 bed flat and £7 a day etc. There are some that say 'we shouldnt be paying anything to anyone that aint British' etc and to be honest, I kind of agree. But I also dont agree with benefits of any kind that go to anyone that is physically and mentally able.

An ex-girlfiriend's grandparents lived in a council house (and a pretty big one at that) all of their lives and ended up buying it for a pittance. There was nothing wrong with either of them other than they didnt earn very much money.

Now why is that scenario (that is massively common in this country) ok with some people? Just because they're white and British its ok because we're looking after our own? Fvck that. I work my ass off, pay shit loads of tax to subsidise that? Bollocks. All of it should end. It never will so I just carry on earning loads and buying what I like.

The thing that pisses me off more than anything is peoples double standards in this sort of subject.

'Its not ok to give this group of people money, but its ok to hand out cash to this group of people'. Get fvcked. If you work and work damn hard, you should be allowed to live in whichever country you want. If you dont, you should have what you deserve.

Provide asylum if someone deserves it, but remove that stupid fvcking rule about not being able to work until the case is proved. Have them clean the prisons or pick up litter or scrub chewing gum off pavements or clean fvcking public toilets or milk cows at 3am or anything really. Contribution makes the world work so get everyone and I fvcking mean EVERYONE doing something other than fvck all.

If there was a hotline I could call so an asylum seeker could come around to my house, clean the fvcker, do my fvcking ironing and polish my shoes, it's be on god damn speed dial.

Contribution. Earn your fvcking way.

 

Never before have I seen the Protestant Work Ethic so eloquently described. Bravo.

[MooseBreath]

Here's another stat from the same researchers: Between 2001 and 2011, those same recent immigrants (all scroungers from Eastern Europe or wartorn Africa, some would have you believe) made a net fiscal contribution of £25bn to the UK economy compared with a £624.1bn negative contribution of the native population during the same period.

So, if we're talking about making contributions to the economy or taking away from it, shall we boot the long-term (white-)British out too?

No doubt I'll be called a leftist for trawling out basic facts. Why let educated statistics get in the way of a bit of prejudice?

That study said that immigrants from the EEA had paid more in tax than they received in welfare payments since 2000. This doesn't take into account health or education services, it's purely tax vs welfare. Paying more in tax than you receive back in handouts is hardly something to shout about. I would expect it applies to anyone who has a full time job.

It also said that non-EEA immigrants received more in welfare than they paid in tax over a longer period. These people have contributed so little that they can't even pay for their own job seekers allowance never mind the amount they cost the nhs and schools.

[Raj]

the ideal scenario living in peace and harmony was the example of the old boy born here n the lithuanian(or was he polish) who worked hard and had his own business.They had alot of love for each other.

Funny in a way how the most vocal were the "asian" pair

[foxoffderby]

Suky was very good I agreed with everything he said. Some of the others were very idiot

[Raj]

he did however come across as abit of a fiv when he didnt actually participate in how the program was supposed to run. i.e he didnt invite the polish girl to his house making out some cick n bull story or taking her to his own bar..abit strange considering how much he had to say for himself

[hairy]

Programme was more about individuals rather than immigrant minorities. Cant take anything from it.

[Vacamion]

I lasted 7 minutes before I decided that Monday Night Football, even if it involved Palace and Sunderland, was preferable.

[digitalalba]

It's a shame Channel 4 waste so much time and resources concocting a story to suit their ideology, and not just explain the reality of things.

 

To put a show like this together, they would've had to spend countless thousands of pounds, many months filming and most crucially of all, socially organising the participants to fit their agenda to enact the kind of outcome they would've wanted.

 

As predicted, and like with all documentary's of this type, the first few bits attempted to make us think that all is wrong with the world, then hey presto, the sun starts shinning and everyone is kissing and cuddling, feeling sorry for each other etc etc.

 

That's their job, because they would lose their licence to broadcast if they picked 8 people at random and it painted multiculturalism out as a negative, and that means it was a deliberate attempt to fool people.

 

'Make Leicester British', was a misleading title. The number one topic of the voter by a country mile, is immigration, so this title was obviously an attempt to show us that 'someone' is 'listening', thus by the end of the show, these immigrants are British just like you...

 

Similarrily, politicians state that Leicester is a beacon of light for multiculturalism, because we all get along. Do we? No we don't, in that show, I heard? there's a 'Polish area'? Belgrave is Hindu, Highfields is Islamic, Rushey Mead is Sikh? St Mathews is Somalian, then there are dots of non white people scattered around. That's not mixing, they're something close to enclaves.

 

Fact is, as a general rule, people prefer their own kind. The same occurs in Spain, we've all seen it, areas of British people grouped together. It's human nature.

 

So it's a shame we can't have a programme telling people the truth, do they think we're ten...

[Guest MattP]

Thought it was awkward viewing at times but here's a few thoughts anyway.

 

It really isn't hard to see why guys like Suky are getting pissed off, I imagine it's bad enough working 13 hours a day to pay your rent let alone then having to sit down at a table and be told by someone else that it's also your duty to pay for them and their children when they clearly have absolutely no intention of doing anything but just popping out children to live off the state, even more of an insult for then a few minutes after being told that you then see them leave the house as their own 'culture' means they can't spend any time at night in a house with you. It's rather intriguing to see the different standards people have and how it seems to change for what's being given and what's being taken.

 

The white liberal was absolutely classic, everything you expected, middle class accent, rebellous, a couple of shocking tattoos and sadly predictably the first and only one of the group to feel the need to label another member of the group a bigot for daring to have a different opinion.

 

I think teh sad thing it showed was yet again integration doesn't actually seem that much of a problem until Islam enters the equation, it's obviously a giant elephant in the room for everyone but it appears so obvious.

 

It's hard enough getting Muslims to integrate into British society, I was amazed to see the way the Somalian lived and to hear of some of the Somali beliefs, the clear lack of discipline over the children was shocking, quite painful to watch kids running around a house at midnight even when the mother knows people in the house would be getting up for work/school the next day.

 

Considering she had been here for a few years I found it appaling her 8 year child could be so amazed and have to question why a white person might be in a relationship with a brown one. They must be so shut off from the rest of society it's almost impossible for most of us to comprehend.

 

On a serious note how would anybody even try to get the Somalian community to integrate with the rest of the people in Leicester? It's clearly far too difficult.

[leicsmac]

 

It's a shame Channel 4 waste so much time and resources concocting a story to suit their ideology, and not just explain the reality of things.

 

To put a show like this together, they would've had to spend countless thousands of pounds, many months filming and most crucially of all, socially organising the participants to fit their agenda to enact the kind of outcome they would've wanted.

 

As predicted, and like with all documentary's of this type, the first few bits attempted to make us think that all is wrong with the world, then hey presto, the sun starts shinning and everyone is kissing and cuddling, feeling sorry for each other etc etc.

 

That's their job, because they would lose their licence to broadcast if they picked 8 people at random and it painted multiculturalism out as a negative, and that means it was a deliberate attempt to fool people.

 

'Make Leicester British', was a misleading title. The number one topic of the voter by a country mile, is immigration, so this title was obviously an attempt to show us that 'someone' is 'listening', thus by the end of the show, these immigrants are British just like you...

 

Similarrily, politicians state that Leicester is a beacon of light for multiculturalism, because we all get along. Do we? No we don't, in that show, I heard? there's a 'Polish area'? Belgrave is Hindu, Highfields is Islamic, Rushey Mead is Sikh? St Mathews is Somalian, then there are dots of non white people scattered around. That's not mixing, they're something close to enclaves.

 

Fact is, as a general rule, people prefer their own kind. The same occurs in Spain, we've all seen it, areas of British people grouped together. It's human nature.

 

So it's a shame we can't have a programme telling people the truth, do they think we're ten...

 

 

People who are afraid or intolerant prefer their 'own kind' - as you said, no matter the race.

 

Those who aren't travel, and get out of that comfort zone wherever they work and live, like many other people around the world - no matter the race.

 

Appearances don't mean a thing. What's important is what people do, and how they act towards people when they first meet them - no matter the race. 

 

Stupid, xenophobic and intolerant is a race-neutral quality.

[Bert]

I said similar on Twitter last night, but did channel 4 really think this was going to help? Bollocks.

Leicester has been a multi cultural city for years. The problem is the government. They make it too easy for people to sponge and get everything handed to them on a plate.

Many people say "Oohhh these Polish people coming over here and stealing our jobs". Well that's bullshit too, they're either being too lazy because the job doesn't suit their needs or simply better off sponging. There's jobs out there, and it just goes to show because most of the eastern Europeans are working. Whether it being in a warehouse, a car wash a restaurant or or anywhere.

Until the government start sorting out our own problems rather than other countries issues, thimgs aren't going to change.

[digitalalba]

People who are afraid or intolerant prefer their 'own kind' - as you said, no matter the race.

 

Appearances don't mean a thing. What's important is what people do, and how they act towards people when they first meet them - no matter the race.

City fans prefer city fans, not because they're afraid or intolerant of f****t fans.

 

Should we ignore the appearance of a f****t fan, and should we be appreciative of what they do?

[digitalalba]

I said similar on Twitter last night, but did channel 4 really think this was going to help? Bollocks.

Leicester has been a multi cultural city for years. The problem is the government. They make it too easy for people to sponge and get everything handed to them on a plate.

Many people say "Oohhh these Polish people coming over here and stealing our jobs". Well that's bullshit too, they're either being too lazy because the job doesn't suit their needs or simply better off sponging. There's jobs out there, and it just goes to show because most of the eastern Europeans are working. Whether it being in a warehouse, a car wash a restaurant or or anywhere.

Until the government start sorting out our own problems rather than other countries issues, thimgs aren't going to change.

This argument is part of the problem. Somehow, probably created by the loony left, it's become the norm to assume that all Polish immigrants work, none of them claim benefit. This is clearly untrue, and I know, because across the street from us is a house where Polish people during the day and evening, especially during the summer, drink from cans, play loud music and generally have a bloody good time haha but they look poor, so i'm guessing they're claiming.

Is it right they can reclaim some or all of the taxes they contribute after a year?

 

Anyway, the elite that rule over us have deliberately created mass immigration, knowing and encouraging people from poor countries who'll work for less, thus keeping the wages down, that's why some people don't want to work sh!t jobs, and of course there are some lazy gits too, you get that from all cultures.

[Samilktray]

Watched about 15minutes of it earlier before it started to give me a headache. Awful tv.

[babylad92]

watched 10 minutes of it just now will definitely watch it night too i thought make bradford british was great cant wait to see how this turns out

[StanSP]

I said similar on Twitter last night, but did channel 4 really think this was going to help? Bollocks.

Leicester has been a multi cultural city for years. The problem is the government. They make it too easy for people to sponge and get everything handed to them on a plate.

Many people say "Oohhh these Polish people coming over here and stealing our jobs". Well that's bullshit too, they're either being too lazy because the job doesn't suit their needs or simply better off sponging. There's jobs out there, and it just goes to show because most of the eastern Europeans are working. Whether it being in a warehouse, a car wash a restaurant or or anywhere.

Until the government start sorting out our own problems rather than other countries issues, thimgs aren't going to change.

 

You know what I don't understand?

 

People moan about immigrants coming in and stealing all our jobs (obviously factually incorrect). 

But then people also moan about immigrants sponging and scrounging off benefits.

 

Which is it - they take all our jobs or they laze around doing fvck all ?

[Bettsj2]

watched 10 minutes of it just now will definitely watch it night too i thought make bradford british was great cant wait to see how this turns out

Stick to Tellytubbies you massive bellend.

[Matt]

Didn't have a problem with anyone on it, execpt the Somalian women, she wound me up.

 

Found it hard to disagree with what much of Suki had to say, fair play to him.

[Webbo]

Didn't have a problem with anyone on it, execpt the Somalian women, she wound me up.

 

Found it hard to disagree with what much of Suki had to say, fair play to him.

The Somalian woman was an arsehole, but I think it was more because she was an arsehole rather than because she was Somalian, at least I hope so. 

[DennisNedry]

Just watched it.

 

Have no problem with any of the people - except the Somalian.

 

If people are integrated and contributing, they are welcome - to a point (we have limits on what we can cope with)

 

The Somalian woman annoyed me. Free house, benefits, nice car. She embodies the bad type of immigrant. It should not be our responsibility to provide for her.

 

Suki is a legend, might go down his Narborough Rd cafe and have a chat

[Guest Kopfkino]

Just watched it.

 

Have no problem with any of the people - except the Somalian.

 

If people are integrated and contributing, they are welcome - to a point (we have limits on what we can cope with)

 

The Somalian woman annoyed me. Free house, benefits, nice car. She embodies the bad type of immigrant. It should not be our responsibility to provide for her.

 

Suki is a legend, might go down his Narborough Rd cafe and have a chat

 

How was he a legend?

[Samilktray]

Many words could describe him, legend is not 1 of them.

[Fox92]

"Legend" is too overused in society nowadays, I think he's more "likeable"... Stood up for what he believed in, of which were good views, so fair play.

[Harry - LCFC]

This argument is part of the problem. Somehow, probably created by the loony left, it's become the norm to assume that all Polish immigrants work, none of them claim benefit. This is clearly untrue, and I know, because across the street from us is a house where Polish people during the day and evening, especially during the summer, drink from cans, play loud music and generally have a bloody good time haha but they look poor, so i'm guessing they're claiming.

Is it right they can reclaim some or all of the taxes they contribute after a year?

 

Anyway, the elite that rule over us have deliberately created mass immigration, knowing and encouraging people from poor countries who'll work for less, thus keeping the wages down, that's why some people don't want to work sh!t jobs, and of course there are some lazy gits too, you get that from all cultures.

 

'There's some Polish chaps not far from me who don't work, therefore I know that the Polish aren't really the hard workers they're made out to be.' That's such a classic case of confirmation bias. One example does very little to prove or disprove a certain stereotype. No, you don't "know" that the Polish aren't willing to work.

 

Here's some statistical evidence (always vastly superior to anecdotal evidence) on the subject http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171780_229910.pdfThe last sentence on page two states that "The unemployment rate among Polish-born people (in 2011) was 5.5%. (lower than the national average at the time)". 

 

Your comments show that you believe what you want to believe. You've assumed that the stereotype about Polish workers is untrue and that it was created by the left simply because that description of the world appeals to you more.