tylesta Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 Hopefully one day we'll get to see this, a lot of people rave about it and it's something I'm really looking forward too. Even better if you know him can you ask him to use it on about 2.54 here so we can stop the opposition player kicking it in the goal? (Someone also feel free to explain just what Villa player he was covering here as well if they want, as bizarrely some have tried to claim he was doing) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7XgRCzpkSU We wouldn't of had this problem if was wasn't playing as a right winger at 1-1, the goal is mainly his fault him bombing up the right wing put a few players out of position, he was booked for pulling aggys shirt why not bring him down.
fleckneymike Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 Jeff's 'problem' is that he gets in some great positions and makes very very visible mistakes. He's had 17 shots this season, 10 were off target (some so much so that they're still travelling now), 5 blocked and 2 on target. He is an instinctive player; give him zero time to think and you get a cross like the one to Ulloa against Arsenal, the tap in v Burnley or the shot into the corner against QPR. Allow him to think and you better get the ladder out to retrieve the ball from the roof of the stadium.
okie fox Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 Schlupp is in the team because he is a better defender than any of our other lightweight wingers (Knockaert, Mahrez, Albrighton) as well as having electric pace. Don't know why he is the scapegoat when there is plenty of blame to go around. If you watch the video of Villa's second goal, Cambiasso, Simpson, Moore have not sprinted back, leaving Schlupp to deal with Hutton and a Villa player motoring unmarked about thirty yards from goal. I agree he lost Hutton but I can see why he was distracted. Someone should have been shouting at him so that he knew there was a player behind. People forget that Schlupp was a striker so he has not had a lot of experience in midfield or as a left back. Mahrez is not good at getting back and defending, Knockaert has been ineffective in the premier and Albrighton is just a shadow of the player he was a few years ago.
Guest ttfn Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 We wouldn't of had this problem if was wasn't playing as a right winger at 1-1, the goal is mainly his fault him bombing up the right wing put a few players out of position, he was booked for pulling aggys shirt why not bring him down. This would of course make perfect sense had Schlupp been marking somebody as people have been claiming. He wasn't marking anybody. He left 30 yards of space to his left. That is actually the first time I've seen that goal because I was on a train with outrageously poor signal from about 65-75 minutes but seeing that Schlupp is obviously largely culpable despite the numerous excuses being made for him doesn't surprise me. He was also massively at fault for the first Liverpool goal but apparently that was Schmeichel's fault for not shouting at him to stop the cross!
Stadt Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 Mahrez need to go on a weight gain program he can't cut it in the prem anyone can blow him off the ball!!! Are you Joe Kinnear?
Spicer Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 I think Jeff is a Lb. He should fighting with Konch for the LB role. He was LB for most of last season and put in his best performances that I can remember. I would very much like to see Mahrez on the left, Knocky in the middle and Albrighton on the right in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-1-1. With our recent performances it couldn't hurt at all.
tylesta Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 This would of course make perfect sense had Schlupp been marking somebody as people have been claiming. He wasn't marking anybody. He left 30 yards of space to his left. That is actually the first time I've seen that goal because I was on a train with outrageously poor signal from about 65-75 minutes but seeing that Schlupp is obviously largely culpable despite the numerous excuses being made for him doesn't surprise me. He was also massively at fault for the first Liverpool goal but apparently that was Schmeichel's fault for not shouting at him to stop the cross! watch the whole build up to the goal, that video is only half of what happened, all midfield and defence was all over the place.
Guest ttfn Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 watch the whole build up to the goal, that video is only half of what happened It's irrelevant though. Wasilewski might be massively to blame but Schlupp could have stopped that goal with even a modicum of effort and/or common sense. He has plenty of former but I can't recall another footballer who seems to show less of the latter.
tylesta Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 It's irrelevant though. Wasilewski might be massively to blame but Schlupp could have stopped that goal with even a modicum of effort and/or common sense. He has plenty of former but I can't recall another footballer who seems to show less of the latter. we had 8 players 25 yards out from villas goal...james, was, mahrez and simpson was within 5 yards when it was lost, nuge and wood are in the box, cambiasso and jeff are on the edge. james and was chase gaby down simpson jogs back and mahrez just gives up when the balls gone! was, james and simpson are out of it when benteke recives the ball and with moore closing him down it left 3 villa players 1 in between konch and jeff and one 25 30 yards out (jeffs man he tracked 90 yards back with). yes he could of closed him down quicker but with the middle 2 and mahrez in no mans land. the goal stems from to many players pushed forward was stays in at centre back konch wouldn't of had to shuffle over.
Guest ttfn Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 we had 8 players 25 yards out from villas goal...james, was, mahrez and simpson was within 5 yards when it was lost, nuge and wood are in the box, cambiasso and jeff are on the edge. james and was chase gaby down simpson jogs back and mahrez just gives up when the balls gone! was, james and simpson are out of it when benteke recives the ball and with moore closing him down it left 3 villa players 1 in between konch and jeff and one 25 30 yards out (jeffs man he tracked 90 yards back with). yes he could of closed him down quicker but with the middle 2 and mahrez in no mans land. the goal stems from to many players pushed forward was stays in at centre back konch wouldn't of had to shuffle over. None of this explains why Schlupp is marking nobody and has left 30 yards of space behind him and then ambled across to "try" to block the shot. Schlupp is back in position to the extent that he is front on by the time the ball is played. There's no excuse for letting that space be unmarked when we had the numbers back to deal with it, just as there's no excuse for our 34 year old centre back to be a caught 60 yards upfield. He's obviously at least in part to blame for that goal irrespective of what's happened in the intervening time. He could have run back 100 metres on his own and been faced with a 4-on-1 counter-attack but at the end of the day you've got to carry the can to at least some extent if you're going to amble across to the ball like that.
Stadt Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 None of this explains why Schlupp is marking nobody and has left 30 yards of space behind him and then ambled across to "try" to block the shot. Schlupp is back in position to the extent that he is front on by the time the ball is played. There's no excuse for letting that space be unmarked when we had the numbers back to deal with it, just as there's no excuse for our 34 year old centre back to be a caught 60 yards upfield. He's obviously at least in part to blame for that goal irrespective of what's happened in the intervening time. He could have run back 100 metres on his own and been faced with a 4-on-1 counter-attack but at the end of the day you've got to carry the can to at least some extent if you're going to amble across to the ball like tha
Guest MattP Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 We wouldn't of had this problem if was wasn't playing as a right winger at 1-1, the goal is mainly his fault him bombing up the right wing put a few players out of position, he was booked for pulling aggys shirt why not bring him down. There were clearly mistakes all over the pitch, I'm not denying that. But Schulpp's positioning, awareness and lack of effort is clearly the biggest contribution to conceding the goal. That's twice in two games now a lack of effort/intensity from him has directly resulted in an opposition player being able to score, we can't afford that at this level.
BlueJoe Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 In that position strength is not that important look at the likes of hazard and di maria, hardly powerhouses. thats not the issue Hazard is clearly heavier than he was when he joined Chelse!!! Di Maria is clearly able to muscle through challenges!!! Not to mention they are both 3/4 classes above Mahrez, can take it pass a defender and can produce the final ball!
Guest MattP Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 Mahrez's final ball is often exceptional. It's just the strikers barely ever finish it. Off the top of my head he put Vardy in one on one twice v QPR and once v Liverpool. That's three premier league assists if he has the strikers Hazard or Di Maria have in front of him.
BlueJoe Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 For someone who gets batted off the ball as often as he does I don't know why he gets the praise he does. Yes he can occasionally produce but when given the option to run at defenders he rarely takes it. He is happier to pull it back and look for the pass inside. This is think is because he isn't strong enough. Don't get me wrong I don't think he a 'bad' player and he is young and clearly has ability but I think if he was stronger he would not get pushed off the ball as much and would actually be happier running at people and more importantly to the line ( which he do not do enough off) and then we might see a few more headed goals from Ulloa!
Guest MattP Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 He's the only man in the whole team that looks like he can create with the ball at his feet. Liverpool it was his through ball to Vardy that got us a goal, Saturday it was him running at them that got us a goal. Against QPR he created chances all game. Of all the players to criticise he's about the last at the minute, despite his physique I don't think he gets pushed off the ball easy at all. Physical stature is massively overrated in football in my opinion, give me ability over it any day of the week.
Harry - LCFC Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 Can't imagine Morgan would've shown such little determination to stop Hutton from getting a shot away.
Dan Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 Mahrez's final ball is often exceptional. It's just the strikers barely ever finish it. Off the top of my head he put Vardy in one on one twice v QPR and once v Liverpool. That's three premier league assists if he has the strikers Hazard or Di Maria have in front of him. Assists are a weak argument for that alone. You're relying on the finisher as much as the creator.
ScouseFox Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 the more key passes (or chances created? or something) completed than everyone in the league apart from fabregas is the stat you need to know about mahrez. he's ****ing sick. and he's only played about half our games.
Dan Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 the more key passes (or chances created? or something) completed than everyone in the league apart from fabregas is the stat you need to know about mahrez. he's ****ing sick. and he's only played about half our games. Is that seriously a stat? If that's true then that is phenomenal. For someone who's played about 70% of our games at most and is playing in what has been the poorest team in the division.
ScouseFox Posted 9 December 2014 Posted 9 December 2014 that was before the liverpool game. so add the vardy one to that for our goal that night, too. i've no idea what constitutes a "through ball" but he's good at them :xmasbiggrin:
daddylonglegs Posted 10 December 2014 Posted 10 December 2014 I don't get the Schlupp slanging either. He's not one of our worst this season, there are others who look more out there depth, such as, Nuge, De Last, Konch, Knocky, Wood, Vardy and drinky (both think potential to do the biz). I 100% get the Schlupp slanging. Yes he has 2 goals and a couple of assists, but to say he could have had twice that is an understatement. I have absolutely no confidence in him when he picks up the ball. He is the younger, worse Lloyd dyer. He picks up the ball and has absolutely no idea where he's going, he doesn't make off the ball runs and has absolutely stolen a consistent starting place in this side. (IMO)
foxtillidrop Posted 10 December 2014 Posted 10 December 2014 Mahrez has amazing vision and he has the courage to play and see passes that most players can't contemplate. At times he threads some amazing passes to Vardy and if we had a striker with genuine speed, making intelligent runs, I reckon Riyad would create bags of chances. You can tell from watching him play that he is a natural footballer. He is still very raw and has plenty of room for improvement but his potential is massive in my opinion, especially if he was in a better team and worked on the athletic and defensive sides of his game. Knockaert has not been given a chance and i just hope that he gets his chance during the ACON. I don't understand how or why he has been frozen out and restricted to seat on the bench. The lad has tekkers and, in my view, was a key part of the spirit and revival of last season's promotion winning side. He might not be blessed with speed but he hasn't even been given a chance to demonstrate what he can or can't do in the prem. Schlupp clearly has the physical attributes to get in to the right areas but i definitely think he needs to work on his left foot. A premiership footballer should be able to chip, curl, smash, whip, fizz, drill, volley, spray a football and manipulate the ball to suit the occassion. With Shlupp, it seems as though he sometimes he just swings a boot at the ball and hopes, reminiscent of Lloyd Dyer. This can be very frustrating to watch but i hope to see him improve game by game. I also don't understand how we give King and De Laet 4 year deals and let Lloyd Dyer go when, if reports are true, he just wanted a 2 year deal.
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