Blame Culture

[fuchsntf]

As I see it, we are where we are because we are not good enough. Other teams have better players than us, they cost much than our bunch, so we are where we probably deserve to be.

But as soon as things start going wrong, the knives come out. The support wains and people are desperate to find someone to blame.

Let's look at the manager. Without doubt his record as a manager is very good, much better than most, but because we aren't doing well, then straight away people will forget we are against much better players, up against experienced Premier League professionals and just blame the easy target.

Without doubt he has done well to keep the group together in such difficult times, but it does not matter, it's going wrong so someone is to blame.

Then if the manager doesn't get the blame, let's blame Terry. It must be his fault as he didn't sign enough players. If I was a good player, I would look at an established team before Leicester, but it must be Terry's fault why players chose other clubs above mighty Leicester.

If it isn't the DOF, or the manager, let's blame the players. There is a picture of Pearson and Nugent sharing a joke, how dare Nugent smile in such circumstances. These players earn fortunes, they must be able to win earning that sort of money.

The fact is, as a whole we are simply not good enough. We have a lack of experience in this league and we don't have the players to compete with the others. Look at what we have spent, look at what others have spent. It is like trying to race a Ferrari in a ford escort.

I don't blame the owners either, you can spend a fortune in year one, go down and be left with a debt ridden club.

The bottom line it is just a very tough situation with no easy answer. Changing the manager might not do it, and buying a load of new players might not do it. It's just a difficult situation.

But carry on finding someone to blame as its the done thing. Point a finger, it makes you feel better. Have a go at those that brought us so many happy days last season. These people are on lots of money, they are pure evil. Have a go at them. Don't look at the circumstances, forget what they did last season, just have a go at them and pick someone to blame.

Refreshing post IMO. I do find it amusing however, that many believe, positive or negative, its their opinions only,that they or fans of simular thoughts have the answer to our plite.Whether its on the manager, players or other situations/events. that will solve instantly our position.

Many fans underrated the task , or underrated the huge task that had layed before us .and still does

Like you mentioned, the players havent yet shown any of their potential to stay in the PL as individual or as team.

Even if Pearson made mistakes.so what!! His players still need to come to the fore and prove, they have the relevant skills as individuals or as a team/squad.The only skill they have shown so far,

is getting the shirt over their heads, we have until now,not shown any PL standard performances.

Thats just hard honest fact, but I have no inclanation to blame anyone for this upto now dire situation, I thought we would struggle and I believe too many fans, not manager or players,

underated the opposition, and what it takes to compete at this level.

What has shocked me, is the lack of any type of consistant levelheaded performance in 17 games.

Fight and endeavour is just not enough today, its the situation not a blame fsctor.

[MGLCFC]

I do feel Pearson has been somewhat naïve. He backed his players to step up, brought in little quality (no better than what we had, apart from maybe Cambiasso) and plays  a player who barely was first choice in the Championship (Schlupp). I'm sure, in hindsight, he'd do things differently, but the bottom line is we're likely to be relegated because as a squad we are bang average. I admire his loyal approach, but really good managers are ruthless and let players go who will not be good enough. If you look at our squad you could argue that Moore, Morgan, Konchescky, Hammond, GTF, Knockaert, Nugent, Wood, Vardy, Schlupp, were not going to be good enough. Whilst you couldn't abandon all of these, sticking with all of them was a massive error of judgement. Similarly some of the Summer recruits were poor. Albrighton (I'm always sceptical when a player is released), Powell, never plays, Upson, will he ever play? Whilst we will never know who turned us down, the recruitment this Summer was woeful for a campaign to keep us in this division. Pearson will not keep in the Premier League this year, but might, given the chance, do a better job second time around as I believe he is an intelligent person who will improve from this experience.

[MC Prussian]

Mills, Danns and Beckford maybe big names in your eyes. They certainly aint in mine.

Do you think Cambiasso would've played for Pearson when he was in his prime? Good as he is, hes at the end of his career.

That was actually impossible, looking back where Pearson was a couple of years ago and where Cambiasso was with Inter.

 

Sometimes, people make the oddest of connections. It baffles beyond belief.

 

Cambiasso may enter the final stage of his professional footballing career, but he's still class - as seen on the pitch on a weekly basis.

[Col city fan]

That was actually impossible, looking back where Pearson was a couple of years ago and where Cambiasso was with Inter.

Sometimes, people make the oddest of connections. It baffles beyond belief.

Cambiasso may enter the final stage of his professional footballing career, but he's still class - as seen on the pitch on a weekly basis.

You said World Class, I believe?

[lestuhfox]

2 points from 36 with not much hope of where the next point is coming from.

 

Bottom of the table, 5 points from safety.

 

Stick and we are nailed on certainties for the drop.

 

New guy in will give us a fighting chance.

 

I chanted Pleat out, Levein out, gave MON the kick up the backside he needed at the time, would've ditched Holloway with 4 games to go. The first 3 of those worked and the 4th one would've done.

 

Pearsons got to go now. The table and form book don't lie.

 

Modern fans it seems would be happy us playing Mansfield Town and Cambridge United. I want us to be playing and beating Manchester City and Chelsea.

[cjslcfc]

2 points from 36 with not much hope of where the next point is coming from.

 

Bottom of the table, 5 points from safety.

 

Stick and we are nailed on certainties for the drop.

 

New guy in will give us a fighting chance.

 

I chanted Pleat out, Levein out, gave MON the kick up the backside he needed at the time, would've ditched Holloway with 4 games to go. The first 3 of those worked and the 4th one would've done.

 

Pearsons got to go now. The table and form book don't lie.

 

Modern fans it seems would be happy us playing Mansfield Town and Cambridge United. I want us to be playing and beating Manchester City and Chelsea.

 

Oh ffs 

[Rob1742]

2 points from 36 with not much hope of where the next point is coming from.

Bottom of the table, 5 points from safety.

Stick and we are nailed on certainties for the drop.

New guy in will give us a fighting chance.

I chanted Pleat out, Levein out, gave MON the kick up the backside he needed at the time, would've ditched Holloway with 4 games to go. The first 3 of those worked and the 4th one would've done.

Pearsons got to go now. The table and form book don't lie.

Modern fans it seems would be happy us playing Mansfield Town and Cambridge United. I want us to be playing and beating Manchester City and Chelsea.

It's you who we have to thank for, for chanting your anger at MON. If it wasn't for you, he wouldn't have turned it around. As you put it, you gave him the kick up the backside he so much needed.

We are all grateful to you I am sure. And I am sure MON now realises that he needed you venting your anger to make him a success.

Well done and thank you sir

[5waller5]

I think there's very little blame and very little negativity given the embarrassingly poor season we're having.

NP certainly got us to forget delusions of grandeur and to accept mediocrity quietly as though that's all we deserve.

[gazfox9]

We're not good enough, yet we managed to finish on more points than QPR and Burnley last season.

Can anyone explain why they have both settled into the premiership better than us when we where clearly better than them last year?

Totally this. How can we possibly be a worse side now than we were last season? We are though.

[gazfox9]

QPR have bought a few in. Burnley players seem to be able to stick it out and defend properly most of the time.

More importantly they both have a striker capable of getting 15+ goals a season in the prem. Our defence has a howler a game, and our strikers don't score goals bar Ullou who hasn't started the last two games.

We have a striker capable of 15 in the premier league if

A) we create a chance for for him, and

B) if the manager decides to play him.

[Mr Weller]

Our results have been awful but for me the disgraceful manner of his behaviour towards fans both during games and in interviews and then the cowardly way he is hiding from the local media has shown him to be a frightened but also rude and aggressive man. Such men may survive if results are great but if not they are doomed.

It is hard to feel sympathy for someone who holds supporters in such contempt and uses such foul and abusive language in public. Clearly he doesn't know what to do and feels boxed in so he is lashing out as a defensive reflex. His players unconsciously sense a lack of vision and are panicking but as individuals they don't know what to do. Loyalty towards managers is a good trait in directors but there is a fine line between keeping faith with a visionary who needs more time to realise that vision and a hardworking but limited man who seems to have vision at all.

In this case my belief is that he is the latter and without the good grace, intelligence or decency to face his critics he had lost the bulk of residual goodwill that last year's success had built up. We have a right to expect better while supporters of Pearson still cling to their eternal faith in the face of overwhelming evidence, however well intentioned they are, we will not be able to move forward.

I put it to the owners that the manager has lost the respect of the fans and the club is in freefall. For everyone's sake it is time for him to go. He hasn't the integrity to admit it himself so we look to you as the owners we respect to show leadership and remove this man and his nasty manner from our football club.

[MC Prussian]

2 points from 36 with not much hope of where the next point is coming from.

 

Bottom of the table, 5 points from safety.

 

Stick and we are nailed on certainties for the drop.

 

New guy in will give us a fighting chance.

 

I chanted Pleat out, Levein out, gave MON the kick up the backside he needed at the time, would've ditched Holloway with 4 games to go. The first 3 of those worked and the 4th one would've done.

 

Pearsons got to go now. The table and form book don't lie.

 

Modern fans it seems would be happy us playing Mansfield Town and Cambridge United. I want us to be playing and beating Manchester City and Chelsea.

So, just because you want him gone, he's got to go?

As far as I can tell, the majority of fans still stand behind the manager and the task he's facing this season.

The loudest fans usually represent a minority, a portion of the fan base unwilling and unable to see the bigger picture or connecting the dots.

 

"Modern fans" like me are happy when we're playing well, knowing that we'll hardly ever be able to compete with the big shots in this division on a regular basis. I do also know that a doom & gloom attitude following defeats helps no one and that there's always a silver lining. Patience and dedication did work out of us in the past three years.

 

We may surprise a few here and there in the near future, in the best of times can ideally hope to reach a Europa League spot or upset a few heavyweights in the FA or League Cup. All of this on a sustainable basis, without having to fear an impending administration or a winding-up order again. I'm not asking for anything more than that - in the best-case scenario, that is.

 

Other than that, I'm simply happy this club has made it this far and can make it even further. Time, patience, money and sustainability provided.

 

Then again, some our fans strike me as fickle as ****.

[MC Prussian]

Our results have been awful but for me the disgraceful manner of his behaviour towards fans both during games and in interviews and then the cowardly way he is hiding from the local media has shown him to be a frightened but also rude and aggressive man. Such men may survive if results are great but if not they are doomed.

It is hard to feel sympathy for someone who holds supporters in such contempt and uses such foul and abusive language in public. Clearly he doesn't know what to do and feels boxed in so he is lashing out as a defensive reflex. His players unconsciously sense a lack of vision and are panicking but as individuals they don't know what to do. Loyalty towards managers is a good trait in directors but there is a fine line between keeping faith with a visionary who needs more time to realise that vision and a hardworking but limited man who seems to have vision at all.

In this case my belief is that he is the latter and without the good grace, intelligence or decency to face his critics he had lost the bulk of residual goodwill that last year's success had built up. We have a right to expect better while supporters of Pearson still cling to their eternal faith in the face of overwhelming evidence, however well intentioned they are, we will not be able to move forward.

I put it to the owners that the manager has lost the respect of the fans and the club is in freefall. For everyone's sake it is time for him to go. He hasn't the integrity to admit it himself so we look to you as the owners we respect to show leadership and remove this man and his nasty manner from our football club.

We can turn your post around and exchange "the manager" with "fans" and it all looks much more like real life.

 

A portion of our fan base is deluded, thick, has massive expectations, wants us to spend millions of pounds at once - and all of that by ignoring our past financial troubles and just for the glimmer of hope to remain in this league. You want entertainment? You feel as a "paying customer" you're entitled to something different, something that necessarily fits your gusto? How about you go support another team? This club has always had its struggles and rarely set the world alight in the top flight, yo-yoing between the first and second division.

 

A couple of months ago, you were all celebrating in the streets of the city centre, chanting the manager's name and praising the team.

Now it's all knives out? Have a word.

 

A club like Leicester doesn't deserve "fans" like you. Take your sense of entitlement somewhere else and let the rest suffer in peace.

[Mr Weller]

How on earth do you imagine the silent majority want him to stay? What evidence have you of this? Certainly the bulk of calls to the radio or posts to this forum suggest otherwise. Are your expectations so low you feel we have to blindly stand by a rude and arrogant man with a dreadful record of managing at this level? Do you honestly believe the club is destined to be so poor? I can only assume you are so young you know no different.

[Mr Weller]

You also appear to believe that a manager should behave like the worst behaved supporter. He is supposed to in charge, but uses the language of the gutter. He is a representative of the club including young people who support it, a public figure who is reported far and wide. I have a belief that we all have a right to expect better.

[cjslcfc]

Our results have been awful but for me the disgraceful manner of his behaviour towards fans both during games and in interviews and then the cowardly way he is hiding from the local media has shown him to be a frightened but also rude and aggressive man. Such men may survive if results are great but if not they are doomed.

It is hard to feel sympathy for someone who holds supporters in such contempt and uses such foul and abusive language in public. Clearly he doesn't know what to do and feels boxed in so he is lashing out as a defensive reflex. His players unconsciously sense a lack of vision and are panicking but as individuals they don't know what to do. Loyalty towards managers is a good trait in directors but there is a fine line between keeping faith with a visionary who needs more time to realise that vision and a hardworking but limited man who seems to have vision at all.

In this case my belief is that he is the latter and without the good grace, intelligence or decency to face his critics he had lost the bulk of residual goodwill that last year's success had built up. We have a right to expect better while supporters of Pearson still cling to their eternal faith in the face of overwhelming evidence, however well intentioned they are, we will not be able to move forward.

I put it to the owners that the manager has lost the respect of the fans and the club is in freefall. For everyone's sake it is time for him to go. He hasn't the integrity to admit it himself so we look to you as the owners we respect to show leadership and remove this man and his nasty manner from our football club.

 

Fair enough. There are a few things I would argue with but I've done it so many times on here I'm not sure I can be bothered.

 

One thing I will say though is that he hasn't lost the respect of a lot of the fans, judging by the support shown to him the last few games. I'd also say he doesn't have a nasty manner. 

[MC Prussian]

How on earth do you imagine the silent majority want him to stay? What evidence have you of this? Certainly the bulk of calls to the radio or posts to this forum suggest otherwise. Are your expectations so low you feel we have to blindly stand by a rude and arrogant man with a dreadful record of managing at this level? Do you honestly believe the club is destined to be so poor? I can only assume you are so young you know no different.

Since when are radio callers representative of the majority of fans? You know that Stringer thrives on controversy, because that keeps the same people calling back on a regular basis (compare two editions within seven days and hear for yourself).

 

The bulk of posts to this forum in general (and I've been here long enough) are solid, fair and reasonable. Only when we're not doing well, all the negative knew-it-alls come crawling back from underneath the woodwork and are neither substantial nor differentiating.

 

Several times in the past few years, Pearson has already been described as a fair and gentle person with a great sense of humour - away from the cameras and the microphones. But keep on buying into his media persona and the way he is portrayed by BBC Radio Leicester's dynamic duo.

 

This club has never been destined to win this league - a look back at our history of heartbreak and ups and downs should be enough proof for that. This club has always switched from top to second division, occasionally doing rather well and even winning a cup here and there. But in the grand scheme of things, those events remain and will remain rarities.

[Guy]

He's constantly talking with people, before the game, during the game, during breaks in play. He could be talking a load of shite , but we've not had many talkers on the pitch for a long time, so it at least looks like he's trying to sort shit out.

Cambiasso's old school and knows his stuff and what inspires players to make them tick. Whether or not the colleagues at his disposal are good enough to event-ually cut the mustard in this league obviously still remains to be seen but I think Cambiasso, along with Hamer has been a great signing by Pearson and co. last summer

[UpTheLeagueFox]

... the cowardly way he is hiding from the local media ...

 

You really think he's being a coward for not speaking to RL? You really think he's hiding from IS's interviews? Hahaha.

 

He speaks to the Leicester Mercury, the national press / broadcasters and answers all the difficult questions, often with quite refreshing honesty and sometimes even with a great deal of charm. And that speaks volumes about the situation.

 

Let's not forget it was the players who boycotted a certain broadcaster - this was their collective decision; not a decision foisted upon them by manager or the LCFC media team. Once the management team looked into what went on (the gesture which angered the players) and uncovered some other things, then they joined the players in the boycott. 

 

Plenty are at fault this season for the on field disaster - management, players etc - and they of course rightly deserve criticism for that; but not speaking to one person/station is (IMHO) not a reasonable stick to beat the manager with.

[Mr Weller]

And so it will remain if you take that view. In the past we have not been owned by billionaires or possessed a mdern stadium that didn't need to be embarrassed by. Leicester is one of the fasting growing cities in the UK and the owners bought us because the investment community believe we are underachieving compared to our potential

Remarkably some people think we should accept a state of affairs where clubs like Southampton, Stoke, Burnley, West Ham and Hull are doing better than us; presumably because they have more potential or a more glorious history? Hardly.

I have watched the club compete well at the top level for around 12 seasons in my life I.e. been above Prem relegation fodder. I wish those times to return and frankly, we have the best foundations for being so in my lifetime.

incidentally, radio Leicester have often been poodles to the club over the years and attracted widespread criticism for being so. Recently they have been more rigorous and independent but surprisingly some supporters seem to want them to return to their former role of propagandists for the club. That may suit North Korea but in this country we have more respect for free speech.

[UpTheLeagueFox]

radio Leicester have often been poodles to the club over the years and attracted widespread criticism for being so. Recently they have been more rigorous and independent but surprisingly some supporters seem to want them to return to their former role of propagandists for the club. That may suit North Korea but in this country we have more respect for free speech.

 

That's utter b*ll*cks. Nobody wants BBC local radio (or any broadcaster/newspaper) to be poodles to the club. What fans do expect (IMHO) is fairness, balance and professionalism from broadcasters. 

[MC Prussian]

And so it will remain if you take that view. In the past we have not been owned by billionaires or possessed a mdern stadium that didn't need to be embarrassed by. Leicester is one of the fasting growing cities in the UK and the owners bought us because the investment community believe we are underachieving compared to our potential

Remarkably some people think we should accept a state of affairs where clubs like Southampton, Stoke, Burnley, West Ham and Hull are doing better than us; presumably because they have more potential or a more glorious history? Hardly.

I have watched the club compete well at the top level for around 12 seasons in my life I.e. been above Prem relegation fodder. I wish those times to return and frankly, we have the best foundations for being so in my lifetime.

incidentally, radio Leicester have often been poodles to the club over the years and attracted widespread criticism for being so. Recently they have been more rigorous and independent but surprisingly some supporters seem to want them to return to their former role of propagandists for the club. That may suit North Korea but in this country we have more respect for free speech.

That is all fine and dandy, you were lucky enough to be around when the club was enjoying one of the best if not the best spell in its history. Naturally, you identify that as the status quo, completely ignoring or ignoring to a certain extent that you were, in fact, very lucky and that the club didn't perform like that for the biggest chunk in the past 100+ years (or let's say, since joining the Football League).

 

No wonder this makes you deluded - for that you expect this club and no matter who is in charge to perform up to the standard you're accustomed to. That the way to that level is hard and full of obstacles, you seemingly ignore.

 

The owners bought us, because we were one of the few remaining clubs available at the time. Yes, the club's got potential, but then again, football is a silly business and doesn't work just like any other business. There have been enough chairmen unable to finance clubs sustainably in the past or money going astray for various dubious reasons. This club has a more than decent infrastructure, so everything is more or less already put in place. Refining it all and improving the facilities is one thing, guaranteeing sportive success another. It hardly ever comes easy. If we want to maintain our status in the top flight, we have to fight for the right to stay where we are. Or get relegated and come back stronger from the experience amassed along the way.

 

Let's also not forget that the club enjoyed its biggest recent success by getting relegated from the top division, then bouncing back.

 

Btw, Radio Leicester aren't "independent" - there's been a bias running through all editions ever since Pearson and Stringer clashed for the very first time. Maybe if the station started to employ independent journalists instead of "The Apprentice" castaways, the content could actually improve drastically.

[ronnup]

That is all fine and dandy, you were lucky enough to be around when the club was enjoying one of the best if not the best spell in its history. Naturally, you identify that as the status quo, completely ignoring or ignoring to a certain extent that you were, in fact, very lucky and that the club didn't perform like that for the biggest chunk in the past 100+ years (or let's say, since joining the Football League).

No wonder this makes you deluded - for that you expect this club and no matter who is in charge to perform up to the standard you're accustomed to. That the way to that level is hard and full of obstacles, you seemingly ignore.

The owners bought us, because we were one of the few remaining clubs available at the time. Yes, the club's got potential, but then again, football is a silly business and doesn't work just like any other business. There have been enough chairmen unable to finance clubs sustainably in the past or money going astray for various dubious reasons. This club has a more than decent infrastructure, so everything is more or less already put in place. Refining it all and improving the facilities is one thing, guaranteeing sportive success another. It hardly ever comes easy. If we want to maintain our status in the top flight, we have to fight for the right to stay where we are. Or get relegated and come back stronger from the experience amassed along the way.

Let's also not forget that the club enjoyed its biggest recent success by getting relegated from the top division, then bouncing back.

Btw, Radio Leicester aren't "independent" - there's been a bias running through all editions ever since Pearson and Stringer clashed for the very first time. Maybe if the station started to employ independent journalists instead of "The Apprentice" castaways, the content could actually improve drastically.

Not sure you can confidently knock a journalist for criticising LCFC currently. We are close to record breaking lack of achievement.

[MC Prussian]

Not sure you can confidently knock a journalist for criticising LCFC currently. We are close to record breaking lack of achievement.

Anyone can be a journalist these days, it's a term used in inflationary proportions.

Stringer's a radio show host and football commentator - nothing more. You may call him a reporter, but that's pushing it.

Journalism to me is something else.

[Mr Weller]

The classic ad hominem response, attack the person rather the argument. This was whar Pearson did with the fan in the crowd, hurl abuse at him. Then you claim that the BBC have an agenda against Pearson. Infamy, infamy, they've all got it infamy!

You talk of my 'luck' , presumably in reference to the O Neil years but I was also referring to the Bloomfield years in thr 70s and a 3 yearbperiod in the 80s when we held our own in the top flight. Also, before my time you will find we got to three FA Cup finals and onevseason finished in the top four

You have affected by only watching us during what has been in statistical terms the worst period in our '100 +' years and think that is the norm. It isn't and never was but more importantly the Thai owners have no intention of it being so.

Please, you sound like a reasonable and articulate supporter, consider the possibility that you are aiming too low and we are capable of more. Nigel Pearson is not Leicester through and through and he willget a huge payout when he goes. He won't suffer but the fans and it's supporters will. Radio Leicestet are not part of a conspiracy, they are just doing what a publically funded broadcaster had to do and the majority of us want them to do which is hold the manager and players to account.Of course some of don't want to face the local media either, a new manager would replace many of them.

It is possible that Pearson will stay and get us out of this dire situation but it is far more likely that we will go down and if we do, the chances are we will stay down for many years. Just look at the bottom three in the Championship to see what our fate might be then.