weller54 Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 We created more chances then them. It was obvious to me that we are missing a fox in the box type striker like Cottee, like Lineker, like even like Dickov! Nugent and Vardy never really score tap-ins as they don't have that typical 'sixth sense' of where the ball is going to be. I can't remember the last time we scored a really scrappy goal where someone has poked it in from 3 yards! Jermaine Defoe!!!
st albans fox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Jermaine Defoe!!! Sunderland got lucky re dozy altedore and his value in the MSL. Otherwise they would never have met toronto's fee and paid his wages for four years. For anyone other than Sunderland (outside the top half dozen), this was a deal that was just too expensive.
CosbehFox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 You can critisise the manager for not having our tallest player mark their tallest player from a corner instead of marking zonal. ESPECIALLY when this is how we lost the game to them earlier in the season. People say that Pearson is learning. Where was the learning here? To lose to an average team the same way twice is deserving of critisism. Part agree, part disagree. To the point we had cope well with their set pieces in the first half. However when a sub comes on, it's in the players domain to communicate between themselves. Though I take your point management team may or may not have pointed it out.By the way we were tons better than at Selhurst, mainly as we actually attacked this time and fcuked up countless chances. At Selhurst we played an ill fitting diamond and created a single chance.
Babylon Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 So. What happened? I am only assuming (apologies if it's not the case) it was like Stoke setting up to not lose, defensively? Saying that, that's what most people's views were pre match. I think we're down. This is no criticism of Kramarić but he really does seem one the most pointless signings ever, we needed someone to create, not a striker per se, a striker was a welcome edition as what we have is far from good but first and foremost we need creation, without creation we'll go nowhere. Set up not to lose? Wow, just wow. Have you not read anything on the game at all. We were dominant and going in a few goals up wouldn't have flattered us, getting a couple more second half wouldn't have either. We contrived to miss chance after chance, throughout most of the game. Palace had to change their system at half time to try and match up with us. We saw a bit more of Kamaric today as he had the ball in their half a lot. He drops deep, very deep in fact to try and hunt out the ball. Seems to collect the ball and then prod and probe with it. He's definitely not just a striker who hangs about in the box or just on the shoulder all the time.
st albans fox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Part agree, part disagree. To the point we had cope well with their set pieces in the first half. However when a sub comes on, it's in the players domain to communicate between themselves. Though I take your point management team may or may not have pointed it out. By the way we were tons better than at Selhurst, mainly as we actually attacked this time and fcuked up countless chances. At Selhurst we played an ill fitting diamond and created a single chance. Vardy first half and nugent second. Both as good as anything we made yesterday . (And probably better than palace created yesterday too)
narboroughblue Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Finally found the resolve to watch MOTD, just beggars belief how on the highlights alone we lost that game. The composure of our players infront of goal is truly terrible. Back to being frustrated now.
v6rat Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 I wasn't at the game yesterday due to just having an operation on Thursday. Can only go on what I've seen on MOTD. The amount of chances it showed that we had was unreal. Should have been well in front. Some bad finishing and some terrible bad luck too though it has to be said. Massively frustrating. Which asks the question, "why didn't our £9.5m striker start the match"
Babylon Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Still shocked anyone can defend a club in our position spending £9m on a striker and then leaving him on the bench for 2 games out of 3, both of which we fail to score in. Either wasted money or a team selection error.I really don't see why people have such a problem with it. It seems to me people are suggesting he's now undroppable due to his price tag, now matter how he's playing or the situation. Players take time to adapt, I'm actually more surprised he started the united game than this one, as we and others often introduce new players gradually to the team.
CosbehFox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Vardy first half and nugent second. Both as good as anything we made yesterday . (And probably better than palace created yesterday too)Did Vardy and Nuge have 1 on 1s like yesterday in that game? No. Vardy was a hit it quick chance after a long ball and fcuk up by their keeper/defence. We created 6 cast iron chances yesterday, two were gifted (of which Vardy probably did as well as he could with from a tight angle). On top of that Mahrez put in three or four good corners, Nugent was unlucky to hit the bar with one. That's before we get to a couple of chances from the edge of the box with James. Far more dangerous than we were at Selhurst. Far more attacking. Picked on the right footed left back with Mahrez who made him look a fool twice. Far more brain about our attacking display.
CosbehFox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Which asks the question, "why didn't our £9.5m striker start the match" Because at Old Trafford, he was one of the two poorest performers out of the four strikers we have. Nugent deserved a start yesterday.
Dickov22 Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 I really don't see why people have such a problem with it. It seems to me people are suggesting he's now undroppable due to his price tag, now matter how he's playing or the situation. Players take time to adapt, I'm actually more surprised he started the united game than this one, as we and others often introduce new players gradually to the team. Come on Babs, I'm a Pearson fan too but you can't defend him signing a striker like that, then going back to exactly what hasn't worked all season. Kramaric needs games games games- stick him in and just give him the time straightaway. I'm sick of turning up week in week out and being disappointed in the team selection.
CosbehFox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Come on Babs, I'm a Pearson fan too but you can't defend him signing a striker like that, then going back to exactly what hasn't worked all season. Kramaric needs games games games- stick him in and just give him the time straightaway. I'm sick of turning up week in week out and being disappointed in the team selection. It's about managing people if you prioritise a new signing, you build resentment amongst the squad. If the same criticism was levelled at Hamer/Schwarzer you'd have a good point.
Dickov22 Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 It's about managing people if you prioritise a new signing, you build resentment amongst the squad. If the same criticism was levelled at Hamer/Schwarzer you'd have a good point. There's no room for sentiment for god sake, we are bottom and our main problem is converting chances. I don't care if it pissed Nugent Vardy etc off when we signed him. They've had enough chances now. I also disagree with the treatment of Hamer, and said it in another thread. What a way to destroy a young player's confidence. Don't really see what he did wrong
v6rat Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Because at Old Trafford, he was one of the two poorest performers out of the four strikers we have. Nugent deserved a start yesterday. Nugent got his start, and didn't score, AGAIN.
Babylon Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Come on Babs, I'm a Pearson fan too but you can't defend him signing a striker like that, then going back to exactly what hasn't worked all season. Kramaric needs games games games- stick him in and just give him the time straightaway. I'm sick of turning up week in week out and being disappointed in the team selection.Well I can defend him as I didn't pick him in my starting 11 either in the pre game thread.You should pick players on merit and a multitude of factors, not just price. That's why I was annoyed Vardy started over Albrighton last week. Nugent has been a positive influence of late when he's either come on or started. We also did fairly well over the festive period (certainly compared with what went before) without Kram in the team. I never expected Kramaric to walk straight into the team either. Check out the Stoke thread where I said the same thing when he first arrived. New team, new players, new country. It takes time to adapt to it all. Just chucking players in because of their price tag or because they are new is nonsensical to me.
Phube Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 We created more chances then them. It was obvious to me that we are missing a fox in the box type striker like Cottee, like Lineker, like even like Dickov! Nugent and Vardy never really score tap-ins as they don't have that typical 'sixth sense' of where the ball is going to be. I can't remember the last time we scored a really scrappy goal where someone has poked it in from 3 yards! If only we had a clinical finisher at the club...... somebody who main schtick is tap ins... no wait Because at Old Trafford, he was one of the two poorest performers out of the four strikers we have. Nugent deserved a start yesterday. Yes at Old Trafford against a packed midfield with our 'midfield' providing sooo much?
CosbehFox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Nugent got his start, and didn't score, AGAIN. And? He will be dropped or more deserving Ulloa
CosbehFox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Yes at Old Trafford against a packed midfield with our 'midfield' providing sooo much? And Nuge came on and did a reasonable job hence he plays the next game.
Dickov22 Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 If people are suggesting Nugent deserved to start because he came on and did well at Man Utd then by that logic, Vardy should start Tues because he looked really sharp yesterday? Both have had enough chances and have two goals from open play all season between them. Time for Kramaric to get a run of games. We are not in a position to spend all that money on a goalscorer, then not pick him.
cpfc2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Palace fan in peace here. So goes without saying the best side lost Saturday. Although it is no consolation - I can't remember the last side that gave us so much trouble defensively. Saw a few posts suggesting you should have taken advantage of a weaker Palace side (being without Jedinak and Bolasie) - to be honest we haven't been weaker without them and have outplayed Southampton, Burnley, Tottenham and (although we lost) Everton recently without them. Certainly you are miles ahead of Villa, QPR and Burnley - and genuinely hope results turn for you and you can finish above them at the end of the season. On that "incident" - looked like just the sort of nothing that the media love to stir up. Best of luck for the season.
CosbehFox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 If people are suggesting Nugent deserved to start because he came on and did well at Man Utd then by that logic, Vardy should start Tues because he looked really sharp yesterday? Both have had enough chances and have two goals from open play all season between them. Time for Kramaric to get a run of games. We are not in a position to spend all that money on a goalscorer, then not pick him. Dependant on systems yes Vardy may play on Tuesday. Pearson has always been the same; you do well, you work hard, you are picked. You fail, you are dropped. That's been the case with himself since League 1. Someone perfectly described it when they said Pearson's system of management which relies on loyalty and hard work doesn't work in the PL. They aren't far off wrong there.
st albans fox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 If people are suggesting Nugent deserved to start because he came on and did well at Man Utd then by that logic, Vardy should start Tues because he looked really sharp yesterday? Both have had enough chances and have two goals from open play all season between them. Time for Kramaric to get a run of games. We are not in a position to spend all that money on a goalscorer, then not pick him. How do you fit krama into our formation? He doesn't look to me to be able to play the nugent role where he drops to hassle their holding midfielders. at some point, Nigel has to realise that we can't play two wide men. We need an extra body in the middle and that allows the free full back to get forward.
sdb Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Still shocked anyone can defend a club in our position spending £9m on a striker and then leaving him on the bench for 2 games out of 3, both of which we fail to score in. Either wasted money or a team selection error. Did you not see him last weekend? He was awful. He's gonna take time to settle and whilst spending £9m on an unproven player may seem crazy, at least we're being sensible enough to ease him in then play with 10 and a half men from the off. He's hardly looking a goal threat anyway. Don't think he's touched the ball in the box for us in 3 games yet.
Dickov22 Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Dependant on systems yes Vardy may play on Tuesday. Pearson has always been the same; you do well, you work hard, you are picked. You fail, you are dropped. That's been the case with himself since League 1. Someone perfectly described it when they said Pearson's system of management which relies on loyalty and hard work doesn't work in the PL. They aren't far off wrong there. Don't agree. If that were true then how is Paul Konchesky still being picked?! Nugent?! One goal in open play yet still gets picked.
roylandski Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 When many were planning for Europe after the away win at Stoke I said, "Leicester are the poorest team I had seen in over 6 years in the premiership". Not much has happened since to change my view.
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