inckley fox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Really is gutting we keep playing so well and getting 0 points. The finishing needs to improve, clearly, there was a 20 minute period in the first half we played some of the best football I've ever seen us play. Riyad was sublime today. My only real complaint would be leaving Ulloa on for the entire game when he clearly wasn't at the races today. Krama should of come on earlier if not started. 'So well'? Really? I've already read the words 'toothless' and 'pathetic' in two newspaper write-ups of our display. I thought that was about right. There were glimmers of quality, but the negative impact of so many sub-standard players on those players who aren't sub-standard can't be underestimated. Too many players are still in the side, when a better manager would have identified them as not good enough at a much earlier stage. It's amazing that we were having debates about whether Nugent, Konchesky et al were good enough in the second tier, and now here we are at the bottom of the Premiership having exactly the same discussion. Talk about not addressing your weaknesses...
Corky Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Seen this match several times this season, lots of effort, a decent amount of chances yet never really looked like scoring and as soon as we concede the game seems to be done as the opposition cope with our "threat". For Crystal Palace today see West Brom, Man City, Stoke. When we got the ball down and moved we looked ok, Mahrez in particular was dictating things. Unfortunately we decided to lump it long towards huge centre-backs who had little trouble dealing with this tactic. In terms of individuals, Simpson and Ulloa were appalling, the centre-backs struggled, Konchesky was very mixed, James was a lot slower than normal, Schlupp didn't influence as he has been, Nugent was decent, Mahrez our best player. Palace were nothing special but didn't need to be. Can't see us getting out of this, for all the commitment and endeavour. If we are to survive we've got to take points from the next three ahead of Hull, we need to win at least one. Hell of a task but these matches will be the reason we go.
Dukes not bald Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 I thought we played ok today, still be playing now & wouldn't score. no idea why nuge didn't shoot ? No idea why kramaric was playing so deep today. De laet & albrighton to start for me .
Manwell Pablo Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 'So well'? Really? I've already read the words 'toothless' and 'pathetic' in two newspaper write-ups of our display. I thought that was about right. There were glimmers of quality, but the negative impact of so many sub-standard players on those players who aren't sub-standard can't be underestimated. Too many players are still in the side, when a better manager would have identified them as not good enough at a much earlier stage. It's amazing that we were having debates about whether Nugent, Konchesky et al were good enough in the second tier, and now here we are at the bottom of the Premiership having exactly the same discussion. Talk about not addressing your weaknesses... If any newspaper described that performance as "pathetic" I'd never buy it again, more possession, more chances, better chances, better side. Just didn't finish. Even toothless is a bit embarrassing for a professional journalist. With better finishing we could quite conceivable scored 3 goals and I'm not even counting Nugents header against the bar. Fair play to Palace as an away side they countered well got their goal and got their win, that does not make our showing pathetic, wasteful maybe.
purpleronnie Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Palace fans must be pinching themselves. Last season looked doomed only to sack their manager and along came Pulis to keep them up comfortably, they do the same thing this season and now Alan Pardew looks like he's going to do the same.
lgfualol Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Anyone watching motd tonight? *nervous laughter*
LCCFox96 Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Anyone watching motd tonight? *nervous laughter* Haven't got the heart for it tonight.
Harry - LCFC Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Seen this match several times this season, lots of effort, a decent amount of chances yet never really looked like scoring and as soon as we concede the game seems to be done as the opposition cope with our "threat". For Crystal Palace today see West Brom, Man City, Stoke. I've got a strong sense of deja vu too. We've had great opportunities to pick up points and haven't taken them. Horrible feeling as I think we could quite easily be better placed if we hadn't wasted the chances we've had this season.
weller54 Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Palace fans must be pinching themselves. Last season looked doomed only to sack their manager and along came Pulis to keep them up comfortably, they do the same thing this season and now Alan Pardew looks like he's going to do the same. Because, as I posted a few weeks ago.. Pardew and Pulis have Premiership savy... Pearson doesn't!...
justfoxes Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Suppose you didn't notice the 3 quality crosses he made in the space of about 5mins after coming on?? Crosses Schlupp could only dream of making. Absolute joke he hasn't had a decent run in the side Zaha ought to do less of the diving and more about the football UTD thought he could play rather than cheat his way to 3points !!
orbison Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Im gonna stick my neck out and make the following prophecy, we will not win another premiership match this season if ulloa is in the starting eleven of our current squad.
Sunbury Fox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 I think what is so disappointing is that not only have we lost at home to a bottom half team, we've lost to them when they are missing their best midfielder, best winger and in the second half best centre half. And FFS they have Delaney as a first choice CB! Should have won but predictably they scored off a set piece, just as they did at their place. Not seen a replay yet but my initial thought was that Schwarzer did not cover himself in glory, appeared to be in no man's land. It really is criminal how rarely we score off set pieces. For newly promoted teams who will often struggle for possession it is crucial to score off them.
Matt Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 So. What happened? I am only assuming (apologies if it's not the case) it was like Stoke setting up to not lose, defensively? Saying that, that's what most people's views were pre match. I think we're down. This is no criticism of Kramarić but he really does seem one the most pointless signings ever, we needed someone to create, not a striker per se, a striker was a welcome edition as what we have is far from good but first and foremost we need creation, without creation we'll go nowhere.
justfoxes Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Just got back from the game. How we keep getting beaten by teams that really aren't that special remains elusive to me. Plus points - I thought, Schwarzer (solid), Was (Rock), Mahrez (tried hard, had skill and took a good corner but lacked end product) and Cambiasso ( who won just about every header in midfield) played pretty well - fair play to them. The rest of them looked quite simply pretty poor. Simspon was outclassed and paced by his winger. Wes (for God's sake stop slipping over when a man turns you) Morgan looked off the pace. Schlupp FFS don't get me started on how he gets on the teamsheet ahead of Albrighton. James still can't shoot and lacks creative vision (I'm actually contemplating that Hammond might be a better partner to Cambiasso which is ridiculous in itself) Konch wasn't terrible but gave away too much possession with the hoofing from the wing when under pressure. Ulloa - striker who can't win a header from the passes hoofed to him and spent way too much time ridiculously far away from goal. Nugent - ran his ass off as usual but didn't take his chances today. Bit deflated today, Huth, Albrighton and Kramaric need to start on Tuesday! Fair enough I think Kramaric needs moot English football time so stick him in the academy squad with Knocky etc give him the chance to bang on the goals at that level and hopefully he can bring it into the first team once he jets one o think he could get a few on what's left of the season ! MORGAN yes he flaps far too often wish he had Was's composure but without the WWE forearm clothes lines cant wait to see Huth come in but I feel PEARSON will drop the wrong man ! Konch is a liability at times asses more to the opposition than his own but he does do some great things at times, Ulloa has disappointed me at times his first touch can be awful and he gives up to easy Nugent runs and runs and his end product sucks more than not ! And yes positive point are Cambiasso gives you confidence he marshals the team talks to them shouts and helps the younger players which Wes doesn't id make Cambiasso captain Simpson can do good things is he better than RDL lets just say we missed out on the window to bring in someone better !! ALBRIGHTON needs to start he delivers some great crosses something Kramaric needs to get on the end of to bang in a goal or 5 ! James has the passion but fails last hurdle ! And PEARSON who I have always backed is beginning to show his nativity in this league his te choices and tactics we need stability in a squad the same squad playing week in week out ! I'm not in the mind set of were down were finished I still believe we will just about stay up as there are teams above us that are worse than us we need to sot out the ROT and dig in find out best 11 and stick with them week in week out !! And PEARSON sorry buddy I've not been an anti PEARSON fan but I do feel you've botten off more than you can chew in this league sack him I don't know what will this achieve ??? But let's just still be the more consistent thing at this club and be the best fans home and away as our supporters are the one thing you can say is the more positive thing you can say about our performances so far keep up the good work fellow foxes !!
RUDZY Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 CRYSTAL BALLS UP Despite having 63% of the possession after a cracking first half we were undone once again. I can't really pick too much fault with the defence after all it's 11 V 11 and chances are somebody's gonna score a goal. 5 Clear Cut Chances for us all missed and i'm thinking the only way out of this is a Penalty - but no such luck. Having said that SPERONI performed some heroics to seal our misery, along with the probing of the GIANT SANOGO. POSITIVES MAHREZ - The return of the Magician HUTH - Could feature at Arsenal THE REMEDY JEFF SCHLUPP - Switch to left back and accomodate Albrighton HILARIOUS NIGEL HAS BLUE BLOOD any bovver and he'll sort it out STILL KEEPING THE FAITH
FunkyFox93 Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Nige is still the man for the job always will be in my eyes, but cant see anyway back from here, palace was a must win for me.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Can someone explain why Kamarić played only 20 minutes and Knockaert was not even on the bench?I can't
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 I thought we played ok today, still be playing now & wouldn't score. no idea why nuge didn't shoot ? No idea why kramaric was playing so deep today. De laet & albrighton to start for me . Re: Kramaric Because by the time he came on we were 1 down and the midfield were unable to create anything. Immediately his quality on the ball was there to see, just cannot understand the manager's thinking in not starting him. My opinion before the game was that a draw today would not be good enough given the up coming fixtures. You can't realistically expect to stay up with 20 pts or less going into March, as now looks likely. We needed to score goals today, with Kramaric purchased for that very purpose, it is an incomprehensible decision by Pearson not to start him, along with Albrighton also mind bogglingly a non starter. Yet Nugent plays with 1 goal in open play this season. If we include last season (I can't arsed to look it up for the exact figure) I think it may rise to 11 or 12? Even in the best team in the league as we were, as the main striker, at a lower level, it was a poor return. Then he needed three or four cast iron chances to convert one. Strangely it's even harder in the PL! Of course it's not Nugent's fault - he's not picking the team, and he's doing his best. Conclusion: Pearson clueless
The Year Of The Fox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 I thought we played well yesterday after finding our feet in the first 10mins or so. I said to the lads at HT it was either going to end in a 1-0 defeat after missing so many chances in the first half, or we'd end up winning 3/4-0 and make easy work of them. As it turned out it was one of those days where we could've still been playing now and wouldn't have found the net. I hate knocking any of our players but I'd like to see RDL come back in place of Simpson. Simpson hasn't proved he's defensively better and he's certainly no better going forward. We need to probe more, home and away and RDL does that.
CosbehFox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Not an awful performance but not good enough. Line up and changes were sensible. We lack composure everywhere. Yep. Players deserve criticism for their inability to finish a dogs dinner. Can't accuse the manager of much if basic errors are made like allowing the tallest man on the pitch unchallenged to win a header.
Thrill Bert Fox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Re: Kramaric Because by the time he came on we were 1 down and the midfield were unable to create anything. Immediately his quality on the ball was there to see, just cannot understand the manager's thinking in not starting him. My opinion before the game was that a draw today would not be good enough given the up coming fixtures. You can't realistically expect to stay up with 20 pts or less going into March, as now looks likely. We needed to score goals today, with Kramaric purchased for that very purpose, it is an incomprehensible decision by Pearson not to start him, along with Albrighton also mind bogglingly a non starter. Yet Nugent plays with 1 goal in open play this season. If we include last season (I can't arsed to look it up for the exact figure) I think it may rise to 11 or 12? Even in the best team in the league as we were, as the main striker, at a lower level, it was a poor return. Then he needed three or four cast iron chances to convert one. Strangely it's even harder in the PL! Of course it's not Nugent's fault - he's not picking the team, and he's doing his best. Conclusion: Pearson clueless Totally agree with the conclusion - reasons - Albrighton not even starting - Cambodia controls the midfield but does not always start - knocker not even on the bench - mahrez just returned from African cup and starts clearly he tired in 2nd Half and because we had started some many players who needed to be replaced we could not give him a break I could go on but generally it boils down to poor tactical decisions, not good use of a subs bench, unreal selections decisions that none but Pearson can see. The biggest downer for me is that we will go down and Nigel will keep his job. Hey ho
CosbehFox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Still shocked anyone can defend a club in our position spending £9m on a striker and then leaving him on the bench for 2 games out of 3, both of which we fail to score in. Either wasted money or a team selection error. From the pov of a manager, not really. Nugent should have scored. Pearson can't control his ****ing feet.
MikeyT Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 I wasn't at the game yesterday due to just having an operation on Thursday. Can only go on what I've seen on MOTD. The amount of chances it showed that we had was unreal. Should have been well in front. Some bad finishing and some terrible bad luck too though it has to be said. Massively frustrating.
Bettsj2 Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Yep. Players deserve criticism for their inability to finish a dogs dinner. Can't accuse the manager of much if basic errors are made like allowing the tallest man on the pitch unchallenged to win a header. You can critisise the manager for not having our tallest player mark their tallest player from a corner instead of marking zonal. ESPECIALLY when this is how we lost the game to them earlier in the season. People say that Pearson is learning. Where was the learning here? To lose to an average team the same way twice is deserving of critisism.
pazzerfox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 We created more chances then them. It was obvious to me that we are missing a fox in the box type striker like Cottee, like Lineker, like even like Dickov! Nugent and Vardy never really score tap-ins as they don't have that typical 'sixth sense' of where the ball is going to be. I can't remember the last time we scored a really scrappy goal where someone has poked it in from 3 yards!
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