Babylon Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 in comparison with what MON spent ( From the moment he arrived to the end of our first premier league season he'd spent about £9m. Which is a decent amount of cash to spent in 1997 when you compare relative incomes. Not trying to knock what he achieved, he was hardly splashing the cash. But then, quite frankly neither has Pearson compared to many in the prem. What we've spent this season would be at the low end of what teams usually spend on promotion. Hull spent more than twice that amount last year.
Babylon Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2013-2014/table/2013-12-26 If you're going to make a point at least make it accurate. Oh I'm sorry, we were behind them 45.65217391304348% of last season... perhaps we should have sacked him at Christmas when we were still behind them (your little table starts on boxing day).
Silverdaz Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 winning Div 3 is not a "title", winning div 2 is not a "title" or something to be proud of if you go straight back down again. A win ratio in Div 3 is not an achievement. Do you know our history? Winning a cup is an achievement. Retaining Premier League status would be an decent achievement. It's LCFC not Coco Pearson FC. spot on So your saying winning a league is not an achievement thats just laughable of course it is, you go into a league to win and we have down it twice with our most successful post war manager (fact)
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 According to today's Mercury Super Nige kept the back 5 formation for the Villa game due to them having a very similar style of play to Arsenal. Hmmmmmm
Jabbaranks Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Babylon, being patronising only further devalues your argument. We were comfortably ahead of both teams for the majority of last season, our net spend is equal to QPR who we finished almost 7 wins clear of, and is way in excess of Burnley's spend. Your more than entitled to support Pearson, but I can't see any evidence this season to justify him being allowed to carry on as manager. He has made an incredibly ham fisted job of things.
Babylon Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Babylon, being patronising only further devalues your argument. We were comfortably ahead of both teams for the majority of last season, our net spend is equal to QPR who we finished almost 7 wins clear of, and is way in excess of Burnley's spend. Your more than entitled to support Pearson, but I can't see any evidence this season to justify him being allowed to carry on as manager. He has made an incredibly ham fisted job of things. And you don't think your comment was patronising? You knew very well the point I was making and decided to nitpick over a couple of games.
MHC Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 So your saying winning a league is not an achievement thats just laughable of course it is, you go into a league to win and we have down it twice with our most successful post war manager (fact) you're a mongaloid
Jabbaranks Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 I deal in facts, I could have posted the table up from the end of November. I'll leave you to it chief. We're going to finish below both clubs and as a lifelong LCFC fan, that hurts.
Babylon Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 I deal in facts, I could have posted the table up from the end of November. I'll leave you to it chief. We're going to finish below both clubs and as a lifelong LCFC fan, that hurts. How about the one on Christmas Day... you know, when I said we should sack him because we were behind them. Perhaps I should post up the table from this November when we were ahead of them. The point is, as you well know... it's where we end up at the end of the season that counts, not November, not December and not February.
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 So your saying winning a league is not an achievement thats just laughable of course it is, you go into a league to win and we have down it twice with our most successful post war manager (fact)you can twist facts around however you want, I guess you are basing your statement on win ratio? But what is his win ratio in the Prem? How many league cups has he won? Have we played in Europe under him? No way can Pearson be considered our most successful post war manager, it's a ridiculous statement mainly based on a lower league win ratio. And I'm not taking anything away from his league titles which were fantastic, but look at the bigger picture to what was actually achieved in the O'Neill years.
ImBlue Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 How about the one on Christmas Day... you know, when I said we should sack him because we were behind them. Perhaps I should post up the table from this November when we were ahead of them. The point is, as you well know... it's where we end up at the end of the season that counts, not November, not December and not February. Any you honestly think were finishing anywhere except rock bottom?
MC Prussian Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 And the fact remains, as a bare minimum, we should be comfortably above QPR and Burnley. We're not, and only one person bears the responsibility for that. What makes you say that? I think one of the major goals this season is/was to remain in the Premier League, with a backup scenario in case of an immediate return to the Championship at hand. Neither the manager. the management team nor the board is/are simplistic enough to aim for a finish "above QPR or Burnley" just for the sake of it.
ImBlue Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 What makes you say that? I think one of the major goals this season is/was to remain in the Premier League, with a backup scenario in case of an immediate return to the Championship at hand. Neither the manager. the management team nor the board is/are simplistic enough to aim for a finish "above QPR or Burnley" just for the sake of it. No, but if as you claim, we should be aiming for survival, they are most likely to be down there and finishing ahead of teams we outclassed last season shouldn't be unrealistic. At the minute, Burnley and QPR are showing how much we have regressed, or at least, not progressed.
Babylon Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Any you honestly think were finishing anywhere except rock bottom? I have no idea, I don't have a Crystall ball. We play Hull, QPR and Burnley and all three for me are critical. 9 points from that could put a different perspective on the season.
Babylon Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 At the minute, Burnley and QPR are showing how much we have regressed, or at least, not progressed. It's too simplistic an argument to just point at positions this season and last. Would Burnley have been closer come the end of the season without their huge injury list? Would QPR have dropped off as much as they did had Austin not been injured at such a crucial time? Nuge played 14 games more than him last season (league and cup). Take him out of their team for 10 games or so this season and where would they be? We were pretty lucky with injuries last year, where as this year we've been picking injuries up here and there all season. Contributing to a side that has rarely had a chance to settle (as well as Pearson making some odd formation and team choices himself).
Corky Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 winning Div 3 is not a "title", winning div 2 is not a "title" or something to be proud of if you go straight back down again. A win ratio in Div 3 is not an achievement. Do you know our history? spot on Jock Wallace is revered and did exactly the same. Pearson is not our best ever manager, nor is he our worst. He's given us great seasons and this terrible one. Sadly his good work is being undone by this season and most probably this season will be the most remembered of his time. He'll leave soon and then we can move on and support the next manager. I hope they are better.
NFPOUT Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 I'm staggered that anyone could state with any sense of credibility that Pearson is our most successful post war manager. Rather than look at win % figures, surely some context should be wrapped round his and previous managers' time in the hotseat. Massively in Pearson's favour as opposed to previous incumbents are the facts he had our only season in Division 3 and has presided over the last 3 years when money has been as plentiful here for transfers as ever in our history. Agreed, Sven left a motley crew for him to tidy up, but it was still an expensively assembled squad, something far removed from the situation facing say Brian Little, Jock Wallace or Gordon Milne when they arrived at the club. It's absolute nonsense to suggest that anyone other than Martin O'Neill is our most successful post war manager. What Pearson achieved last season was special, but that was last season. His remit as our manager was to make us as competitive as possible in the top flight and he's been given a transfer kitty that probably equals the transfer budget LCFC have spent between1991 - 2009 to achieve that. As a bare minimum, we should be comfortably above Burnley and QPR. We're not, and we're unlikely to be so at any point this season. We're two thirds of the season through and the same mistakes are being made week in, week out by the same people. It is his job as manager to eradicate those mistakes, or remove those people who make those mistakes and replace them with players who won't replicate these errors. He hasn't done this. And his abiding legacy will be that he was the only LCFC manager to have sufficient financial clout to make us competitive with the big boys, and yet we're limping pathetically towards the finishing line like a Swindon or a Derby. His behaviour has become massively erratic to the point of embarrassment. Absolutely nothing in the results or performances this season suggests that he has the makings of a Premier League manager, so it renders the whole argument that he'll bring us back up (debateable....and that's being kind) redundant. The season is over, let's part company now and consider carefully who the next manager should be. On the money Jabba ! just a tip though don't argue with idiots (MCPrussian) its a waste of time.
MC Prussian Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 No, but if as you claim, we should be aiming for survival, they are most likely to be down there and finishing ahead of teams we outclassed last season shouldn't be unrealistic. At the minute, Burnley and QPR are showing how much we have regressed, or at least, not progressed. Who says we aren't aiming for survival still? We didn't outclass QPR or Burnley completely last season: We were lucky to win at Loftus Road, drew with Burnley at home, narrowly beat QPR 1-0 at the King Power. If it hadn't been for that late surge, we could've ended up somewhere in a playoff spot for the third time in four years. And god knows whether we'd have had the strength to go all the way a third time after the previous heartbreaks against Cardiff and Watford.
MC Prussian Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 On the money Jabba ! just a tip though don't argue with idiots (MCPrussian) its a waste of time. Maybe if you started arguing properly for once instead of trying to deflect the blame with silly remarks and coming up with simplistic one-liners, we could have a decent discussion. But you don't strike me as the kind of guy who's particularly interested in that. Why don't you frequent Bentleys Roof more often where your "input" is more valuable?
MrSpaM Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 And the fact remains, as a bare minimum, we should be comfortably above QPR and Burnley. We're not, and only one person bears the responsibility for that. I think you'll find there's at least 25 other people who are responsible
NFPOUT Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Maybe if you started arguing properly for once instead of trying to deflect the blame with silly remarks and coming up with simplistic one-liners, we could have a decent discussion. But you don't strike me as the kind of guy who's particularly interested in that. Why don't you frequent Bentleys Roof more often where your "input" is more valuable? I commented on Jabbas very good post and pointed out that you are an idiot. l have no interest in what rubbish you post, l also have no intention of arguing with idiots.
MC Prussian Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 I commented on Jabbas very good post and pointed out that you are an idiot. l have no interest in what rubbish you post, l also have no intention of arguing with idiots. Hmm... But you're glad and quick calling others "idiots" without anything to back it up? And you keep responding to my posts even though you claim you're not interested in what I have to say? Bizarre.
Mike Oxlong Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 So your saying winning a league is not an achievement thats just laughable of course it is, you go into a league to win and we have down it twice with our most successful post war manager (fact) Surely the most successful league manager is the one who maintained us at our highest position in the league pyramid year on year. If Pearson keeps us in the Premiership for several seasons then you may well have a point but Im not holding my breath!
Silverdaz Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Surely the most successful league manager is the one who maintained us at our highest position in the league pyramid year on year. If Pearson keeps us in the Premiership for several seasons then you may well have a point but Im not holding my breath! but what did the players have to show for them finishing in the top ten, nothing whereas winning a league you get medals, surely your in football to win medals not tto keep finishin in the top ten
Mike Oxlong Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 but what did the players have to show for them finishing in the top ten, nothing whereas winning a league you get medals, surely your in football to win medals not tto keep finishin in the top ten If that is the test we should yo-yo between the Championship and League One. Good chance of a winners medal in alternate years. I think more people would view success as establishing ourselves in the top division than winning the two leagues below it. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the league wins but they were a means to an end.
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