NotTheMarketLeader Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Worryingly though how many of yesterday's team were over 30? I don't think we had very many young energetic players on show at all unfortunately there were just 4. Yes I did comment on this during yesterday's game. Last season we were a young progressive, energetic, team who could move the ball quickly through midfield. Now we are not, and to my mind we have regressed as a team as a result
inckley fox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 How many other newbie managers achieved safety and a finish in at least 17th position in the Premier League upon the first time of asking with a newly-promoted club? Most sides survive their first year, but generally speaking they sack the manager if he doesn't appear to be up to scratch. We showed loyalty and it looks like it was the wrong thing to do. Of course there are cases where the club stays up with a newbie manager, but there are very few cases of relegated managers going on to prove themselves at a later date. Perhaps the best thing to do now is give Pearson the chance to rebuild the squad. We know he can win promotion and build a team (and the average age of yesterday's side was 30 - older than most of the sides Adams put out - so it's going to need rebuilding). But there's been little evidence of him learning this season, in fact the impression we've increasingly been given is of a manager in meltdown, and if we've got anything about us we'll have to make our judgements far more hastily next time around. If he's lucky enough to enjoy a next time around. But we made our decision and we have to live with it.
lcfc81 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Do people want us to go back to the days between 2005-2007 where we were sacking and hiring managers, left right and centre. Like I've said before stability is what we need as a club. If we do get relegated, Pearson has to be the best person for the job, given that this is his team and they know how he wants us to play. If we still struggle next season, then sack him. He has done wonders in the past, with poor squads and always turned negative situations into positive situations. Give him the chance to have a full season in this league at least. I completely agree, not because I love Pearson, rather I love stability.
purpleronnie Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 How about a flashmob 'get ya willies out if you hate pearson', just make sure its not on a cold day though. It would be in the Star for sure.
Callabinho Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 The other thing I didn't get about yesterday was people berating the tactics of starting 5-4-1. The 5 at the back saw a tight and dull game where we had the best chances (the post, the James shot and the penalty), surely an ideal away performance? As soon as we went 442 we let in 2 goals? I wouldn't personally class the 5-4-1 as the problematic part? A back 5 against Villa? Villa who have scored all of 11 goals this season, no is the answer. It just goes to show how tactically inept he is at this level five at the back against Arsenal is fine, but to repeat that against Villa just because we played okay is ludicrous, Kramaric had to work double time to get the ball, Mahrez was about as useful as a door with no handle and Schlupp had a right stinker but despite all of that he made one sub...ONE ****ing sub....simply cannot defend him.
Robin JD Popley Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 A back 5 against Villa? Villa who have scored all of 11 goals this season, no is the answer. It just goes to show how tactically inept he is at this level five at the back against Arsenal is fine, but to repeat that against Villa just because we played okay is ludicrous, Kramaric had to work double time to get the ball, Mahrez was about as useful as a door with no handle and Schlupp had a right stinker but despite all of that he made one sub...ONE ****ing sub....simply cannot defend him. Exactly right mate. How on earth some people can justify anything he has done for the majority of this season is ridiculous and as I have said before, it isn't the first time he has done stupid things that have greatly affected our performance. I know we wouldn't be certain of where we are today but I still think he was lucky to escape from Barnsley with his job. Even the County had the right idea to get rid of Whitticase when they accepted we were up a **** creek without a paddle. Same thing is clearly happening at the KP but everyone wants to bury their heads in the sand.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 How many other newbie managers achieved safety and a finish in at least 17th position in the Premier League upon the first time of asking with a newly-promoted club? I don't buy this nonsense that understanding tactics or player motivation, in the Premier League is any different to the Championship. Perish the thought, but Sean Dyche is showing our manager how to do a good job, whether Burnley get relegated or not. He's not chopping and changing the team every week, they play with high intensity (as we did last year) the players are flat out trying to win games home or away (we have become far too conservative imo) They have simply continued with what served them well last season, and are are doing better than we are. We have not continued to play OUR game. The game we were successful with last season, and I believe that is a contributory factor. If you don't understand it's best to pick in form players and drop those that drop clangers every week, in kids football I think you would struggle. That's what Pearson is doing week after week, after week in the PL. If he ever was decent tactically (I've never thought he was tbh) then he certainly doesn't now know which side his own arse hangs at the moment. I'm not making it up MC its plain to see from our points tally that Nige has had a shocking season in every respect and I don't know why you can't admit that. He's had plenty of time in management, plus funds I might add, to get the job done, IF HE WAS GOOD ENOUGH. But he hasnt, and he isn't.
inckley fox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I didn't blame him for giving the 5-4-1 another go, I just feel a more obvious change might have been to bring an additional striker on for a full back, stuck Schlupp on the left, and tried adapting it to a 3-5-2. When we tried that system previously we did so with defensive wing-backs and I've always felt Schlupp had the makings of a decent wing-back. Too often we try something new and, instead of trying to develop it and make it work, we abandon everything and go back to 4-4-2. Our approach to team selection is similarly disappointing, we tried Schlupp at left back for one game, lost and then recalled Konchesky. We waste our time trying to decide whether we prefer Upson, Wasilewski, Huth or Moore, when the bigger problem is Morgan. We give Knockaert and Albrighton run-outs but then give the likes of Vardy the nod on the wing. As fans, and 'amateur managers', we have a habit of saying 'what if the solution is Nugent / Vardy / King / Drinkwater / De Laet?' In truth we've established that these aren't good enough and should really be exploring other avenues, especially when those other avenues (Schlupp at left back, Albrighton etc.) have shown signs of promise. So it's frustrating to see that our manager also seems to ask himself those questions. Instead of allowing a formation to evolve, players to adapt, he seems to repeatedly go back to square one and go through the process of discovering that x player / x system isn't going to work all over again.
SecretPro Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I wrote the following letter to Pearson. Hi Nigel. **** OFF AND DIE. Best wishes. SecretPro. I think if we all do this it might have an effect.
inckley fox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I don't buy this nonsense that understanding tactics or player motivation, in the Premier League is any different to the Championship. Perish the thought, but Sean Dyche is showing our manager how to do a good job, whether Burnley get relegated or not. He's not chopping and changing the team every week, they play with high intensity (as we did last year) the players are flat out trying to win games home or away (we have become far too conservative imo) They have simply continued with what served them well last season, and are are doing better than we are. We have not continued to play OUR game. The game we were successful with last season, and I believe that is a contributory factor. If you don't understand it's best to pick in form players and drop those that drop clangers every week, in kids football I think you would struggle. That's what Pearson is doing week after week, after week in the PL. If he ever was decent tactically (I've never thought he was tbh) then he certainly doesn't now know which side his own arse hangs at the moment. I'm not making it up MC its plain to see from our points tally that Nige has had a shocking season in every respect and I don't know why you can't admit that. He's had plenty of time in management, plus funds I might add, to get the job done, IF HE WAS GOOD ENOUGH. But he hasnt, and he isn't. It looks like you're right, sadly. Maybe a lot of our problems with inconsistency began with players who appeared to be doing a job being dropped in order to play a different system tailored to different opposition. I'm not sure we have the quality to play squad rotation, but I suspect there is a starting eleven there which - if Pearson can strike upon it and give it the time to gel - would prove worthy opposition. The fact that, in the second half of February, he still hasn't done this - and we're in the middle of yet another miserable run of form - tells you all you need to know about what an awful job he's done this year. And the defence of him is an emotional, rather than a rational one. When you see 20% of our posters on this forum saying they'd prefer to do badly with Pearson than do well with someone else, you can see the true nature of the hard-core support for Pearson. A lot of it, for me, boils down to people desperately not wanting to be proven wrong. I backed him to stay in October, November, December - and it's clear now I was wrong. But others have dug their heels in, gone on defending the indefensible, and it's become quite divisive. To see Leicester fans turning on a guy like Lineker because of some petty Twitter bickering about Pearson shows you just how irrational some people are being. There's an argument he should stay, take a long break, pull himself together, rebuild an ageing squad and then be given a finite period of time to show he can win promotion, and maybe do a better job upon promotion than he did this time around. But too often the argument descends into one group of people who always thought Pearson was crap and another who would rather us be consigned to mediocrity for eternity if it meant they could have their icon in charge.
lestuhfox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Pearson out demo outside the main doors after the next home game. Lets man up.
C-man Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Pearson out demo outside the main doors after the next home game. Lets man up. Go ahead. Most of our fans can't be fvcked singing during the game so good luck getting people to stick around to sing afterwards. He'll most probably be gone by then anyway.
Corky Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Go ahead. Most of our fans can't be fvcked singing during the game so good luck getting people to stick around to sing afterwards. He'll most probably be gone by then anyway. And if he has don't be fickle, do it anyway for the next man.
C-man Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 And if he has don't be fickle, do it anyway for the next man. True. Doubt he would have won any by then either. Definitely not the right man for the job.
Monk Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Sounds like the first meeting of the LCFC moron society.
nettle Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Sounds like the first meeting of the LCFC moron society. Ooooh get you!
hackneyfox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Sounds like the first meeting of the LCFC moron society. Well what a lovely post
Voll Blau Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Not reading a lot of denial of that statement though...
Bayfox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 What from THIS season do you say, makes Pearson worthy of managing our club? For me any goodwill from last season has been used up for some time. All evidence suggests he is tactically clueless. In August we will be back where we were 2 years before, so to my mind he has failed in that time to take the club forward, in the most important area - in FOOTBALLING TERMS. please buy the ladyboys out and go back to 10 managers is 8 years. please please please
iancognito Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I'd suggest a few of the managers on the list should check out the hate-filled Pearson out threads (there's now about 11 different ones) before coming here. They'll get the same 12 games that O'Neill got before people are turning on them too. I actually thought that last season had finally brought the club together and that we'd all learnt a lesson about fighting amongst ourselves and calling for the manager's head. Our fans just don't learn. Turned on Bloomfield despite him giving us our most entertaining side, spat at Little (3 play off finals and a promotion) Turned on O'Neill after 12 games (took us up and gave us 4 years of silverware and success) Fell head over heels with joy when we took on Eriksson and Holloway and then went quiet when bothed fvcked our club up good and proper. We have ONE bad season with our most successful post-war manager and here you all are again. The posters demanding the most action have about 300 posts between them or haven't been on here for more than a year. Welcome back. I'm not resorting to abuse, you're beyond it but when we're sitting mid-table in the championship like Forest with our 5th manager in 2 years, I hope you all be just as vocal as you are now.
coley1884 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 There are quite a few posters who seem to assume that if Pearson goes, we'll automatically have a revolving door to the manager's office. I understand this concern, but equally really don't understand what this is based on. Most of the changes we're harking back to were under Milan or prior to him buying the club. The current owners have shown considerable patience and backing for Pearson - I see no reason to assume that they wouldn't do so again. One further reflection. I think the idea that there's no credible alternatives to Pearson is a really poor reason for not releasing him. Did anyone honestly spot him as the best candidate prior to his initial appointment? A few - but not many - called for his return following Sven, but he was by no means top of everyone's list. If we trust the owners showed prudence and good judgement in backing him long enough for us to get promoted, we should also give them the benefit of the doubt in selecting a suitable replacement. Even if we go down, we're a big enough club, with enough potential and a high enough profile to be confident of attracting a high quality replacement.
funkyrobot Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I entered this thread with fear - being one of the hated 'keep Pearson' scum. To my astonishment and relief I still don't see much organisation going on for the Pearson out posse. I expected to see a battalion set up by now with a badge, a motto and a uniform. I feel I should help now I've infiltrated the thread so here goes - the badge could be a profile of Pulis, the motto could be 'I woulda gone for Pulis in November' and the uniform could be the entire club shop leisure wear with box fresh trainers and an obligatory lcfc peaked cap.
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