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I remember us blowing Watford away in 2007 and thinking we might qualify for the playoffs. So you never know...

That is a hell of a long way to travel to lose on penalties.

'worst' in the context of what it meant has to be Maddison's. Was an awful penalty too.

I don't think he's talking about depression or anything, he's talking about players being visibly unhappy with the terms of their unemployment when compared to most of us they are very privileged. Winks does come across as pretty spoiled and thin-skinned to be honest.

Definitely more Tenerife than Trafalgar tonight

The Little Bird

for crimes agaist football?

Just seeing Oliver Skipp though just makes me want to get into a bath with a toaster

It is very depressing sometimes watching what we've become

Agree that Britain's political discourse is absolutely exhausting and it's also remarkable how many people have internalized the idea that things they don't like (mostly immigration) is the fault of Labour. Cognitive dissonance I guess.

well this is shite

Geoff Peters

My own theory which I am honing into a 10,000 word essay I will submit to the LRB is that a lot of it is simply parochial, monolingual Anglophones coming into contact via social media with a variety of opinions that contradict their own, which drove them insane.

British political discourse from like 2012-2016 was full of the looniest shit you've ever heard. And plenty of anti immigrant stuff too, it was just directed towards Europeans and thus seen as more acceptable. I actually think it calmed down a little after 2016 as people took stock after Brexit.

I think the issue is that our living standards have declined so much in this country relative to others and people are flailing about trying to do something about it without really having any kind of coherent answer, while ignoring the things that have caused it because they don't want to lose voters. Transplant that on to a very individualistic society where most social bonds and sense of community have slowly unravelled and you have the cluster**** which is British politics 2025.

God we've had some crap, twattish centre halves haven't we. Mills, Brown, St Ledger, Coady, Faes....

He did leave under a cloud, though he is certainly more popular than McGhee.

I know mentioning this marks you down as a happy clapper on this site but he is one of only four managers to have won a major honour with us. Taylor is surely more unpopular especially as he brought in Wise.

Maybe the opposite in terms of Slimani. Was talented but didn't fit the culture or team

Apologies if I'm out of the loop but what did Hobbs do?

Thought this was the long awaited resurrection of the chebs thread

I think the negative feelings towards the Ibiza Final Boss story is more to do with what it says about the decline of our civilization rather than any kind of ill will towards the Boss himself.

Haven't really read much about it but isn't the argument simply that they can't be in the same competition as Lyon, not that they can't play in Europe at all. Not that I agree with the ruling.

Liverpool fans attempted reinvention of themselves as an anti-establishment, socialist fanbase in the last few years has been very interesting to watch, but also quite bizarre.

I'm happy they're in the same league as Leicester as it gives me a genuine excuse to dislike them when challenged by 40 something men with a crush on Ryan Reynolds