Dan Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 Pearson has in the last two games taken the best possible strides to winning me back over, and for now he's a certainty for the end of the season. Regardless of what division we start in next season, a serious assessment is going to have to be undertaken, although if he does keep us up then it means that he's finally learnt what to do in this league. We seem to have found our edge again, and that points me towards saying Pearson in.
LCFCSOULBOY Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 So many are ready to forgive and forget so quickly. The way the team is playing now is how many of us have been screaming about all season. Just let the lads loose to have a go. Now he is resigned that we have a very slim chance of staying up, he has swallowed his pride and let they play without his meddling too much. Surprise it has worked. How many points has he cost us this season? I personally think we could have been at least ten points better off already minimum. I for one are not ready to forget and forget so easily. Will need to see a lot more than the last 2 weeks. Long live the Fosse.
RedSoxUK Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 In-form The 'best' run-in out of the bottom 6 Winning and scoring momentum Can bring on actual impact subs in Kram / Mahrez / King In our own hands Home games Out of form Newcastle / beatable Southampton This is the best possible situation to find ourselves in after our incredible run of bad form. Manager has the players - players have the belief. It's ours for the taking.
elvis f kennedy Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 With the type of expectations present with a certain part of the fanbase, the partial negativity, making one individual the sole scapegoat, etc. Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but it goes hand in hand with the media, its influence and the stories that are spun. I believe one (minor?) part of our bad patch was certainly down to players (and the manager) being influenced by bad press or silly press coverage, which in itself was fueled by negativity stemming from fans or groups of fans. You can demand footballers and managers acting and being as "professional" as you want and I'm sure you can ignore a chunk of the negative coverage, but I think it did in parts result in that sort of pressure which also clouded the judgement to an extent. Waffle waffle waffle.blue waffle
dayday Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 We should never be in this position,we are better than Sunderland,Hull and WBA as well as the 2 teams that came up with us. His stubbornness and tinkering has cost us,and the only way he deserves to keep his job is if we stay up. We have a lot of pace in the side and he should have utilised this,we came up by attacking sides,and he should have kept it that way. I have no doubt if we played this way all season we would of been safe now
Torten Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 To be honest, if we hadn't scored those two goals which, let's face it, West Brom practically begged us to score, he would have been crucified for the lack of Kramaric etc. before anyone had sympathy for him.
Leicester_Numan Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 Ive seen little evidence of that? Still cant defend set pieces (Has he learnt?) Dropped out best form defender in favour of Morgan who has struggled at times and IMO is too easy to beat in the air (Has he learnt?) Still have no quality LB (Has he learnt?) Spent £20m on strikers he doesnt know how to play still (Has he learnt) Taken till April to give Albrighton a proper chance (Wouldnt call that learning quicky?) Knocky not been given a decent chance (Has he learnt?) Still more often than not gets his tactics and formation wrong and has to change them (Has he learnt?) As yesterday proved, we are not good enough in midfield so need the extra man to compete, especially away from home. Why has it taken until April to figure this out (Quick??) Credit for making good changes yesterday, although I think Pullis trying to shut up shop helped us as much as anything Nigel did, but until he starts consistently getting the formation, selection and tactics right, and addresses, or at least attempts to address some of the clear issues then I dont think he has learnt much other than he really has been well out his depth. I would love to believe he can learn, but two wins that if we are all honest we could easily have lost, doesnt hide 2/3rds of a season of bad management, but i am DELIGHTED we have given ourselves a chance, and hope and pray we can do it, but unless he at the very least makes us harder to score against it will be a very tough ask. Yes, 2 games we won that we could easily have lost. How many have we lost that we could easily have won but lost due to crap decisions, nasty deflections or unfortunate own goals? It works both ways. We had another bit of bad luck with their second deflecting off Morgan, taking it past Kasper but at least it didn't cost us this time. It could have but didn't, we could have lost but didn't. If you're inferring we were lucky to win both, then you also have to look at some of the games we've lost and say we were unlucky.
the-blue-wildabeast Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 Yes, 2 games we won that we could easily have lost. How many have we lost that we could easily have won but lost due to crap decisions, nasty deflections or unfortunate own goals? It works both ways. We had another bit of bad luck with their second deflecting off Morgan, taking it past Kasper but at least it didn't cost us this time. It could have but didn't, we could have lost but didn't. If you're inferring we were lucky to win both, then you also have to look at some of the games we've lost and say we were unlucky. No I'm not, we deserve a little luck but then all teams can say the same. I'm pointing out that neither were convincing and there are still too many weak links in our armour to win enough games. We need to sort out the defence as we simply can't keep conceding goals from crosses and expect wins. He continues to play a defence that probably only has two decent defenders (RDL and Huth). I like Morgan but he needs a rest, especially when we come up against teams with target men like Burnley and Sunderland. We also need to get Krammy up front instead of ulloa. Krammy should flourish with some support and service.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 Hi, I'm not resurrecting old threads and pulling up posts for recriminations. I just wondered if anyone has changed their mind over pearsons future with us and his ability in the premier league. It does feel as to me, as though he has finally absorbed the pressure off the players and we are kicking it about with more freedom. As far as I can see, it was his decision to "match up against the opposition" as he said sometime after the Burnley game, that has got us into the position we are in now. We are still bottom btw (though now with a glimmer of hope). His tactics have had to change because it's been shit or bust. We have had to be more attacking to try and win games, when for a large part of the season we have had the emphasis on trying not to lose. That flied in the face of all that was good about us last season - attacking football and moving the ball quickly through midfield. Instead Pearson took the decision to negate our attacking threat in order to stop the opposition, which we do not have the personnel for. A truly monumental blunder, that I wrote on here about at the time, and proven by our results post Burnley. Now we've returned to what served us so well last season, low and behold we have been playing well, won games and maybe, just maybe we can survive. If we do stay up it will be in spite of Pearson, not because he has all of a sudden become anything other than a tactical buffoon. Our poor performance in this division has, in my view, been totally self inflicted by very poor management. Let's hope it works out, we stay up, and then replace him with someone better.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 Stay up and get rid. We should have stayed up comfortably. Pearsons negative tactics for most of the season has stifled the players. He never had belief in his players. His tactics planted us adrift at the bottom. His hand was forced with being 7 behind with safety with 9 to play and look how the players have played when starting with the last 2 games with 4 at the back and ended em with 3 at the back. 5 at the back was never going to keep us up. Seems a few on here will be chitin themselves if we stay up. A fair few have already mentioned they hate the Premier League and cant wait for Huddersfield and Brighton in the Championship and also said they hate the full houses and prefer the 20 000 gates v Bolton, Blackburn etc. Maybe they will FOAD with Pearson if we stay up so proper fans with ambition can get their hands on tickets, Up or down Pearson out. THIS.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 Ive seen little evidence of that? Still cant defend set pieces (Has he learnt?) Dropped out best form defender in favour of Morgan who has struggled at times and IMO is too easy to beat in the air (Has he learnt?) Still have no quality LB (Has he learnt?) Spent £20m on strikers he doesnt know how to play still (Has he learnt) Taken till April to give Albrighton a proper chance (Wouldnt call that learning quicky?) Knocky not been given a decent chance (Has he learnt?) Still more often than not gets his tactics and formation wrong and has to change them (Has he learnt?) As yesterday proved, we are not good enough in midfield so need the extra man to compete, especially away from home. Why has it taken until April to figure this out (Quick??) Credit for making good changes yesterday, although I think Pullis trying to shut up shop helped us as much as anything Nigel did, but until he starts consistently getting the formation, selection and tactics right, and addresses, or at least attempts to address some of the clear issues then I dont think he has learnt much other than he really has been well out his depth. I would love to believe he can learn, but two wins that if we are all honest we could easily have lost, doesnt hide 2/3rds of a season of bad management, but i am DELIGHTED we have given ourselves a chance, and hope and pray we can do it, but unless he at the very least makes us harder to score against it will be a very tough ask. THIS
Ollie93 Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 It was his tactics and changes that won us that game on saturday...
Babylon Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 If we do stay up it will be in spite of Pearson So if we stay up, he gets no credit at all... even though you've said he'd not good enough to do that all season. Hmmmm.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 With the type of expectations present with a certain part of the fanbase, the partial negativity, making one individual the sole scapegoat, etc. Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but it goes hand in hand with the media, its influence and the stories that are spun. I believe one (minor?) part of our bad patch was certainly down to players (and the manager) being influenced by bad press or silly press coverage, which in itself was fueled by negativity stemming from fans or groups of fans. You can demand footballers and managers acting and being as "professional" as you want and I'm sure you can ignore a chunk of the negative coverage, but I think it did in parts result in that sort of pressure which also clouded the judgement to an extent. Nonsense.The fans have been extremely patient with regard to the manager to an extent that has surprised me, and I suggest that would not have been the case at hardly any other club in the division. The support from the fans, both home and away has been superb. A side note MC. It amazes me how you and I could not be further apart in opinions on virtually every possible aspect you have ever wrote about on this forum, given we have the common denominator of supporting the same club!
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 So if we stay up, he gets no credit at all... even though you've said he'd not good enough to do that all season. Hmmmm. That's right. Explaination contained in my earlier post
Guest Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 To be honest, if we hadn't scored those two goals which, let's face it, West Brom practically begged us to score, he would have been crucified for the lack of Kramaric etc. before anyone had sympathy for him. If nobody ever scored against us...... Your statement is as pointless as mine.
Babylon Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 That's right. Explaination contained in my earlier post You can't say he's the problem if we go down and then give no credit if we stay up. That's just ridiculous and shows how one sided your viewpoint is.
Babylon Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 The fans have been extremely patient with regard to the manager to an extent that has surprised me, and I suggest that would not have been the case at hardly any other club in the division. Yes one other being Burnley, who have all stayed behind Dyche this season. The team they came up with cost almost as much as ours did fee wise (not wage wise granted), until we spent a bit of cash in January we'd not really spent much more than they did in the summer. So why were the expectations of so many of our fans so much higher than Burnley's for our first season back in a decade? They accepted it was going to be a battle and that they'd probably be down there all season, yet so many of our fans seem to think we'd be cruising mid table. In fact it's shown again in this thread with people saying we'd have stayed up "comfortably" if it wasn't for Pearson. There is no evidence of that, Burnley aren't anywhere close to staying up "comfortably" and they chased us all the way last season.
Corky Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 We've still got a hell of a task to stay up and are still wins behind safety but the mood is changing. Flip it round- if we had 28 points, Hull had 19 before the West Ham match, all of a sudden we lose two, Hull win them both and it's a three point gap- we'd be fearing them. Just need to keep winning, by whatever means. Draws are better now compared to a few matches ago but wins make so much of a difference. To be level with Hull after being almost sunk is a real opportunity that we have to take.
Babylon Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 We've still got a hell of a task to stay up and are still wins behind safety but the mood is changing. Flip it round- if we had 28 points, Hull had 19 before the West Ham match, all of a sudden we lose two, Hull win them both and it's a three point gap- we'd be fearing them. Just need to keep winning, by whatever means. Draws are better now compared to a few matches ago but wins make so much of a difference. To be level with Hull after being almost sunk is a real opportunity that we have to take. Hull and Sunderland have pretty shitty fixtures, I think there is a real opportunity of two of the current bottom three to get out of it.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 You can't say he's the problem if we go down and then give no credit if we stay up. That's just ridiculous and shows how one sided your viewpoint is. I understand you saying that, but the OP was how do you feel, and do you think Pearson has got to grips with it (paraphrasing). My answer to that is no, he hasn't - he just has no choice but to change to a more attacking attitude, and I blame him for our predicament thus far. I have been very disappointed in his performance, because I believe if he'd done a decent job we would be in a better position than we are now. That's why I would get rid
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 Yes one other being Burnley, who have all stayed behind Dyche this season. The team they came up with cost almost as much as ours did fee wise (not wage wise granted), until we spent a bit of cash in January we'd not really spent much more than they did in the summer. So why were the expectations of so many of our fans so much higher than Burnley's for our first season back in a decade? They accepted it was going to be a battle and that they'd probably be down there all season, yet so many of our fans seem to think we'd be cruising mid table. In fact it's shown again in this thread with people saying we'd have stayed up "comfortably" if it wasn't for Pearson. There is no evidence of that, Burnley aren't anywhere close to staying up "comfortably" and they chased us all the way last season. My point is he has been playing the wrong tactics (been far to defensive) for the squad of players we have, for 80% of the season. We were cut adrift at the bottom in using these tactics! Since he has been forced to change cus we needed to win games to stay up (imo that notion took far too long to sink in to Pearson's thought process) we've played significantly better and got positive results. The error lies in him not playing to our strengths for 80% of the season and getting shocking results on the back of that. The team this season, has been handicapped by the manager - that is my opinion. However, this opinion does not interfere with me giving the team whole hearted vocal support through thick and thin.
Babylon Posted 13 April 2015 Posted 13 April 2015 My point is he has been playing the wrong tactics (been far to defensive) for the squad of players we have, for 80% of the season. We were cut adrift at the bottom in using these tactics! Since he has been forced to change cus we needed to win games to stay up (imo that notion took far too long to sink in to Pearson's thought process) we've played significantly better and got positive results. The error lies in him not playing to our strengths for 80% of the season and getting shocking results on the back of that. The team this season, has been handicapped by the manager - that is my opinion. However, this opinion does not interfere with me giving the team whole hearted vocal support through thick and thin. I think 80% is harsh, I could point to plenty of games where we've been attacking and come away with nothing. Palace at home, Arsenal away, Spurs away being three of the more recent ones. There will also be plenty of games where the opposition just doesn't let you play the way you want to. Stoke at home and even Hull who I thought were incredibly negative and just sat on the edge of their own box. We've always struggled against teams who are happy to do that. Our best form of attack is quick ball and space, when teams sit back and don't give us room to run into we don't know what to do, thus making us look negative. Yes Pearson has made mistakes, he's buggered around with formations too much for my liking and struggled to settle a team down. Some of his changes (Stoke home, Hull at home stick in my mind) made no sense. But, we don't know if the final results would have been much different to what we've had. The newly promoted teams have all struggled, QPR were praised for their summer signings on here and we could now overtake them. Burnley have been praised by most people this year and we could take over them as well. Hull and Sunderland have spent god knows how many millions on their teams and struggle. It's a difficult league. No problem people saying he's made mistakes, but things like we'd have finished comfortably if it wasn't for him are just a bit silly.
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