Webbo Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 It's genuinely amazing how far some people on here go to point out that they're not supporting Pearson. We looked awful in the first half and he switched the formation and personnel in the second half and dominated. Nigel Pearson won us that game as much as anyone else did. Admit it...I dare you. We've lost 18 games this season, who lost us those games?
Donut Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 It's genuinely amazing how far some people on here go to point out that they're not supporting Pearson. We looked awful in the first half and he switched the formation and personnel in the second half and dominated. Nigel Pearson won us that game as much as anyone else did. Admit it...I dare you. So did Pearson lose us 18 games as much as anyone else did? Maybe youll admit that....I dare you. Oh no, the "squad isnt ready" or whatever feeble tosh you offered up in one of the older threads. Ready now then are they? Youre approaching a scenario now where players will give more effort than ever, they will take risks, theyll show increased urgency, the situation dictates that, they dont have to be told how grave the situation is do they, its do or die. Pearson did change the system, sure. West Brom changed their personnel too........for the worse. And we capitalised. We scored an equaliser from a get it into the box scramble, and a winner from a striker who put his head down and made a lung bursting run from the half way line and hit that ball as hard as he could. Thats players who are DESPERATE to win and will just do anything, its not a bloke on the sideline telling them to chuck it into the box. Some of Pearson's tactics are are wholly to blame for our situation. 2 games later hes the second coming of Pep Guardiola? Get over yourself.
MC Prussian Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 I really like Pearson and would love to keep him but just don't think he's quite good enough. Hardly surprising, given the fact that he has never managed at this level for an entire season before. I'd share you sentiment if this was his second or maybe third year in charge in the Premier League. We've lost 18 games this season, who lost us those games? The players, the manager, the referees... and the fans to a certain extent.
Webbo Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 Hardly surprising, given the fact that he has never managed at this level for an entire season before. I'm not interested I just want to stay up.
MC Prussian Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 Personally, at this moment in time, I do feel a sense of satisfaction. The players and the manager have shown grit and determination and the ability to turn games around and the talent to utilize their strengths for the better - I sense that this has always been lingering around, laying dormant for weeks, if not months. Yes, it's only two wins in a row - but it'll give everybody at this club a much-needed positivity boost and the confidence that we can actually turn this around by the use of our own means. Sometimes, that's all you need. I'm not interested I just want to stay up. Please don't let desperation tamper with your conscience.
bovril Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 The players, the manager, the referees... and the fans to a certain extent. Exsqueeze me?
foxes_rule1978 Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 Hardly surprising, given the fact that he has never managed at this level for an entire season before. I'd share you sentiment if this was his second or maybe third year in charge in the Premier League. The players, the manager, the referees... and the fans to a certain extent. Indeed, this is the manager that got us from our lowest point in history, when we looked like for years going no where... he come in, got us up to the championship, playoffs first season... then went on to get us out the championship with a record number of points... In his first season in the PL without over spending and a team that conforms to FFP, we are three points off survival in April with a game in hand, and the remaining games are pretty much winnable .. He has made his mistakes but he learns quick and we benefit from that.
The Guvnor Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 Look it's the business end of the season now and it was discussed on FT how important the final run in might be . Realistically there are now five teams in a dog fight and our back to back wins will heap loads of pressure on Hull and Sunderland, so feeling a lot happier about our chances now than two weeks ago. We have a reasonably good run in compared with the others , mental attitude and a slice of good fortune is what it's all about now, fingers crossed!!
MooseBreath Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 Yet in previous games where other teams have beaten us "luckily" you've pooh poohed people saying that the result is the result. Go figure! The results are the results, that's why I'm not going to start hailing Pearson as the Messiah when we're bottom of the league.
MooseBreath Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 It's worked the other way in previous games. You can't just focus on the negatives all the time. Luck has about evened itself out over the course of the season. What were left with is the fact that we're bottom of the league. That's not focusing on the negatives, it's focusing on the reality.
Strokes Posted 12 April 2015 Author Posted 12 April 2015 Luck has about evened itself out over the course of the season. What were left with is the fact that we're bottom of the league. That's not focusing on the negatives, it's focusing on the reality.With a game in hand
Harry - LCFC Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 Luck has about evened itself out over the course of the season. What were left with is the fact that we're bottom of the league. That's not focusing on the negatives, it's focusing on the reality. Maybe I've misunderstood you but you appeared to be suggesting that we were fortunate that Berahino didn't pass to Gardener. I replied by saying you have to account for the bad luck we'd had too. You now seem to be agreeing with me.
fuchsntf Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 We've lost 18 games this season, who lost us those games?Every single player who put a city shirt on.Plus the opposition players, who on the day were better and experienced at this level to grind out results.Pearson, or any other manager, who would of been in his position, with this club , has so far got us this far, to me, there is NOne of this ... if he had done this or that better we would now be 10th ,14th or 16th. Too many fans fooling themselves, that they know better, or their aunt Sally could do better. There isnt anybody and there arent any group,out there we could of afforded, that would, could of done automatically a better job.Including ex experienced managers. We have a rode these 2 seasons with Pearson, with this group of players, Whether they were or are good enough, to give us a little teaser of our own dreams, is down right self illusion, if any single fan believes, their own ideas would be superior and would give city a better season than we have so far had. Pearson, over the last 3-5 years came from a new generation group of wanna bees, like periods we have all seen in the past. Nobody could see if his generation would be the right investment or not. Its simply how football is....So why some fans jump immediately, on the negative path of, disliking some people before they begin, for the sake of it, then go out their way, to go shit spreading is beyond me. Pearson, is not to blame for citys predicament, it takes time to build. At present, look at the PL ,which manager at any club who is presently holding a job, has built that club or had continuous success, at the lower or middle levels of this league......There isnt one,!!!! not even in the top 8. Exceptions, near the top Wenger, Morinho, lower .maybe Hughes slowly, Allardyce on a good run. So to all, think a bit more before diving and pouncing on your managers back.Empires need time, dont forget Fergusons early years, the nearly man Pullis at Stoke, couldnt hold on for the longer ride. So like the old addage, "be carefull what you wish for".... Plus dont be such a......
the-blue-wildabeast Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 Indeed, this is the manager that got us from our lowest point in history, when we looked like for years going no where... he come in, got us up to the championship, playoffs first season... then went on to get us out the championship with a record number of points... In his first season in the PL without over spending and a team that conforms to FFP, we are three points off survival in April with a game in hand, and the remaining games are pretty much winnable .. He has made his mistakes but he learns quick and we benefit from that. Ive seen little evidence of that? Still cant defend set pieces (Has he learnt?) Dropped out best form defender in favour of Morgan who has struggled at times and IMO is too easy to beat in the air (Has he learnt?) Still have no quality LB (Has he learnt?) Spent £20m on strikers he doesnt know how to play still (Has he learnt) Taken till April to give Albrighton a proper chance (Wouldnt call that learning quicky?) Knocky not been given a decent chance (Has he learnt?) Still more often than not gets his tactics and formation wrong and has to change them (Has he learnt?) As yesterday proved, we are not good enough in midfield so need the extra man to compete, especially away from home. Why has it taken until April to figure this out (Quick??) Credit for making good changes yesterday, although I think Pullis trying to shut up shop helped us as much as anything Nigel did, but until he starts consistently getting the formation, selection and tactics right, and addresses, or at least attempts to address some of the clear issues then I dont think he has learnt much other than he really has been well out his depth. I would love to believe he can learn, but two wins that if we are all honest we could easily have lost, doesnt hide 2/3rds of a season of bad management, but i am DELIGHTED we have given ourselves a chance, and hope and pray we can do it, but unless he at the very least makes us harder to score against it will be a very tough ask.
theessexfox Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 On current form he has to be a candidate for manager of the season? Surely?
Donut Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 On current form he has to be a candidate for manager of the season? Surely?
foxes_rule1978 Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 On current form he has to be a candidate for manager of the season? Surely? You are just being silly now... candidate! he already has it won
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 Now's not the time to be 'giving Pearson credit' or praising him. Personally I've always been behind Pearson and wanting him to succeed. I would describe the change in my stance to have been that he should be given this season no matter what to feeling that he could have no complaints were he sacked (from Hull at home onwards) - I've said that I would never abuse him or actively call for him to be sacked. But that, and yesterday, doesn't change the fact that he's had a poor season... Too many times have Pearson's decisions cost us and all that the last couple of games have done has been to frustrate me somewhat - we could so easily comfortably have stayed in this division! We may still do, but it won't be comfortable. It's been abundantly clear that we can't look to contain teams and defend points or results, we're so clearly at our best when we attack. Yet on some notable occassions (even for the 15 minutes after we scored against West Ham last week) we have tried to do something that we aren't good enough to do: be solid, sit in and frustrate opponents. Too many times have I walked away from the KP fuming because Pearson has made poor calls, be that substitutions or not going for a victory soon enough. He has continued to make poor decisions even in spite of us winning the last two. Wes Morgan should be on the bench and Wasilewski in his place without question yet he's still in the team somehow, throwing himself around on the floor because he's struggling to make the required standard. I hope that Pearson gets the chance to learn and to put right the things he got wrong at this level at this level again next season. I hope our patience and support is rewarded with him keeping us up and going on to prove himself at the level. But there's a hell of a way to go until that point just yet.
MC Prussian Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 Exsqueeze me? With the type of expectations present with a certain part of the fanbase, the partial negativity, making one individual the sole scapegoat, etc. Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but it goes hand in hand with the media, its influence and the stories that are spun. I believe one (minor?) part of our bad patch was certainly down to players (and the manager) being influenced by bad press or silly press coverage, which in itself was fueled by negativity stemming from fans or groups of fans. You can demand footballers and managers acting and being as "professional" as you want and I'm sure you can ignore a chunk of the negative coverage, but I think it did in parts result in that sort of pressure which also clouded the judgement to an extent.
lestuhfox Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 Stay up and get rid. We should have stayed up comfortably. Pearsons negative tactics for most of the season has stifled the players. He never had belief in his players. His tactics planted us adrift at the bottom. His hand was forced with being 7 behind with safety with 9 to play and look how the players have played when starting with the last 2 games with 4 at the back and ended em with 3 at the back. 5 at the back was never going to keep us up. Seems a few on here will be chitin themselves if we stay up. A fair few have already mentioned they hate the Premier League and cant wait for Huddersfield and Brighton in the Championship and also said they hate the full houses and prefer the 20 000 gates v Bolton, Blackburn etc. Maybe they will FOAD with Pearson if we stay up so proper fans with ambition can get their hands on tickets, Up or down Pearson out.
shailen Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 I haven't changed my mind and still believe he is the best man for the job. Only period we haven't looked like picking points was in October and November. Apart from that we have played well but lacked the quality where it mattered. People can argue if we changed personnel or system we would have won more games but I disagree. We have played well most the season, it's just bad quality where it matters. Our general play and the number of chances we create has to mean the manager is doing the right things. It is up to the players to take them. We have done that more often recently and it's starting to pay off.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 He has made his mistakes but he learns quick Hmmm. Not sure he does. And I say that as someone who is more supportive of him than not.
Hirsty The Blue 94 Posted 12 April 2015 Posted 12 April 2015 The objective for us this season has always been to stay up. With 7 games to go we have a decent chance of doing so. Look back when the fixture list was produced most of us said if we are still in the mix come the last 10 games we will have a chance, and low and behold we are. You can't just compartmentalise bits of a season to fit your point, you have to judge it on its whole. If we stay up it's a success, if not it's a failure.
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