enmac Posted 24 June 2015 Posted 24 June 2015 So you voted for the best dressed candidate? Pathetic! Sent from my BNTV600 using Tapatalk
Guest MattP Posted 24 June 2015 Posted 24 June 2015 In the same way that they're proposing to reduce income support etc and increase the tax threshold companies should receive tax concessions for paying the living wage, employing apprentices and sponsoring employees to do degrees/higher education courses especially where there is a known shortage of skills. That was UKIP policy from the last election.
davieG Posted 24 June 2015 Posted 24 June 2015 That was UKIP policy from the last election. Good for them
Rincewind Posted 28 June 2015 Posted 28 June 2015 How about this bloke although its a pity he has been dead a while. This is a speech of his. t is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice. Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government. Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money. Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse. Gold is your God. Which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth? Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turned the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance.Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse this Augean stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings in this House; and which by God's help, and the strength he has given me, I am now come to do. I command ye therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place. Go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.In the name of God, go!
Alf Bentley Posted 29 June 2015 Posted 29 June 2015 How about this bloke although its a pity he has been dead a while. This is a speech of his. t is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice. Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government. Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money. Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse. Gold is your God. Which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth? Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turned the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance. Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse this Augean stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings in this House; and which by God's help, and the strength he has given me, I am now come to do. I command ye therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place. Go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go! I had to Google that. Apparently it's Oliver Cromwell dismissing the rump parliament. He sounds a bit of an arse himself....
Rincewind Posted 30 June 2015 Posted 30 June 2015 Never said he was not an arse. I was just thinking nothingmuch changes in how it is run. He raised the same points that some do today. Wiyhout all the references to a god the speech was OK.Just thought it was amusing and interesting to compare old and new. A little light diversion from the bickering on here. Strange as I thought he led a paliamentary army against the monachists. Did he sway them with that speech?
Alf Bentley Posted 30 June 2015 Posted 30 June 2015 Never said he was not an arse. I was just thinking nothingmuch changes in how it is run. He raised the same points that some do today. Wiyhout all the references to a god the speech was OK.Just thought it was amusing and interesting to compare old and new. A little light diversion from the bickering on here. Strange as I thought he led a paliamentary army against the monachists. Did he sway them with that speech? "rump parliament"..... "bit of an arse"? I was just trying to provide a light diversion myself, Ken, and obviously failing! Speech dates from 1653, according to Wiki, so by then he'd have already got rid of the monarchists (and the monarch's head), but presumably was also dissatisfied with their parliamentary replacements....
Rincewind Posted 30 June 2015 Posted 30 June 2015 OK it never registered that it was your reply I was not having a go. I really did find it funny and interesting at the same time. He was a bit of a Dennis Skinner I thought.
Guest MattP Posted 2 July 2015 Posted 2 July 2015 Jezza on QT tonight. Can't wait to hear some serious promises and ridiculous fiscal irresponsibility.
Danno Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 Oh my lord that lisping cvnt was unsufferable. Button your shirt up you willy puller you aren't Tom Jones. Who changed w@nker to willy puller?
Guest MattP Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 Oh my lord that lisping cvnt was unsufferable. Button your shirt up you willy puller you aren't Tom Jones. Who changed w@nker to willy puller? He's such a queen isn;t he? Bit upset with Corbyn if I'm being honest, I wanted to hear something more outrageous than he managed, blaming the Tunisia attacks on Tory Austerity was a fair effort but I was hoping for something you could really have a good chuckle at.
Harry - LCFC Posted 3 July 2015 Posted 3 July 2015 Dull QT. No questions on the economy or public spending so Corbyn didn't get a chance to shine. It strikes me as incredibly childish that the PM wants to try and rename IS so as not to make a direct reference to Islam. You cannot understand these people without acknowledging that religion is crucial to their motivations. Also, please get rid of the celebrity spot, BBC. Shappi Khorsandi kept trying to make a joke out of everything which just devalued the programme.
Webbo Posted 10 July 2015 Posted 10 July 2015 Hard-left MP Jeremy Corbyn has surged into second place as the activists’ choice for Labour leader. The latest returns from constituency branches of the party around the country show Mr Corbyn is now in second place, hot on the heels of leadership favourite Andy Burnham.. The surge in support will fuel speculation that Mr Corbyn is set to emerge from the contest as a major player, who will have to be offered a job in the shadow cabinet by whoever wins the leadership. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3156485/Veteran-left-winger-Jeremy-Corbyn-SECOND-place-race-Labour-party-branches-leader.html#ixzz3fVmcOzON
Guest MattP Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 Corbyn (finally) questioned about his "friendship" with Hamas and Hizbollah and totally loses his cool
Guest MattP Posted 17 July 2015 Posted 17 July 2015 These pro-Corbyn trolls are out of control, Liz for Tory leader was bad enough but UKIP? It will be Britain First next.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 19 July 2015 Posted 19 July 2015 I actually thought Corbyn performed the best on the Sunday Politics debate earlier. Granted he didn't say a lot and he owes most of it to the others being so useless and completely devoid of anything coherent. The argument that Corbyn is unelectable doesn't even stand, none of them are really electable at the moment. Burnham has the best chance of them all if he grows into the role better than Miliband did. Chuka pulling out did the Conservatives a massive favour, any of the conservative candidates for next leader would make mincemeat out of that lot.
danny. Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 I guess 'not electable' means 'not friends with loads of bankers and utterly corrupt'?
Guest Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 Yvette Cooper easily Labours best chance of winning the next election. Not sure who will get it though. Possibly Corbyn and if so Labour will sink without a trace.
Rincewind Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 They lost because a lot of people were becoming apathetic about the little difference in the parties and Labour supporting or putting forward similar policies. But it is true Corbyn may lose the middle ground Labour supporters if media portrays Corbyn as the villian. The scare stories are already out with one paper reporting that ' three Corbyn nominaters' have spoken out against him but they fail to name the MP's by just referring to 'the three MP's' more than once. I like to think I am not naive enough not to question that. But hey I am also a skeptic so what do I know. I am just a dumb old man saying stupid things on a messageboard no one agrees with so anything that I say has no validity or worth.
inckley fox Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 Yvette Cooper easily Labours best chance of winning the next election. Not sure who will get it though. Possibly Corbyn and if so Labour will sink without a trace. I suppose the big question is whether Labour lost the election because they moved too far to the left, or because Ed Miliband failed to connect properly with the electorate. Their results in Scotland and pre-election approval ratings would suggest the latter, while their electoral history over the past 40 years would suggest the former. Across Europe there are serious questions being asked of the traditional left / left of centre parties, what with Syriza and Podemos and similar parties popping up which lean further to the left, sell themselves better to the public and subsequently pull the rug from under the feet of the traditional parties. Some of these parties have been shown to steal a lot of the working class votes back from the right-of-centre parties too. So Labour has to decide whether its alignment was the problem, or its leader. Unfortunately for them, as a consequence of Blair's success their parliamentary party is packed with people who won't accept anything other than a faux-Tory leader in charge, as well as plenty who will pull in the opposite direction. They don't seem to have the same willingness to unite behind a leader as they had back in the early-mid 90s, so it's hard to imagine they'll be able to sell their product one way or the other. In other words, they're fated to be their own worst enemy. Corbyn, whether he ends up facing the electorate someday or not, might well do a far better job of connecting with the electorate than Miliband, but still not win the support of those in the Blue Labour ranks who worry about their credibility in the City and in the Murdoch Press. If this is what happens then I fully expect a younger, more dynamic left-leaning party to rise up out of nowhere and hammer the final nail in their coffin. Something like Respect, only unshackled by George Galloway.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 Let's be honest; Labour was a sinking ship, but now it has sunk. The best they can hope for is some kind of salvage operation, but with no clue as to their own policies, and a bunch of retards, running for Leadership, they are well fecked. The strength of the SNP, has also cooked their goose, well and truly.
Guest Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 I suppose the big question is whether Labour lost the election because they moved too far to the left, or because Ed Miliband failed to connect properly with the electorate. Their results in Scotland and pre-election approval ratings would suggest the latter, while their electoral history over the past 40 years would suggest the former. Across Europe there are serious questions being asked of the traditional left / left of centre parties, what with Syriza and Podemos and similar parties popping up which lean further to the left, sell themselves better to the public and subsequently pull the rug from under the feet of the traditional parties. Some of these parties have been shown to steal a lot of the working class votes back from the right-of-centre parties too. So Labour has to decide whether its alignment was the problem, or its leader. Unfortunately for them, as a consequence of Blair's success their parliamentary party is packed with people who won't accept anything other than a faux-Tory leader in charge, as well as plenty who will pull in the opposite direction. They don't seem to have the same willingness to unite behind a leader as they had back in the early-mid 90s, so it's hard to imagine they'll be able to sell their product one way or the other. In other words, they're fated to be their own worst enemy. Corbyn, whether he ends up facing the electorate someday or not, might well do a far better job of connecting with the electorate than Miliband, but still not win the support of those in the Blue Labour ranks who worry about their credibility in the City and in the Murdoch Press. If this is what happens then I fully expect a younger, more dynamic left-leaning party to rise up out of nowhere and hammer the final nail in their coffin. Something like Respect, only unshackled by George Galloway. I dont think this country will ever see a left leaning party in power again. Certainly not in my lifetime. The closer to the centre right they can get the better their chances - that will inevitably alienate an ever decreasing minority. The subtle variations between New Labour of the late 90s/early noughties and the Tories still keep enough of the die hard Labour on board I think as long as they can sweep enough of the floating voters in who were drawn to the Tories tentatively for a number of reasons including the two you cited as possible reasons for losing the most recent election. Tory-lite the only way the win elections I think. Sad as that may be. Just no room for socialism in modern politics. Getting a decent spin doctor in to work the tabloids might be a good start for them.
Lionator Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 Just no room for socialism in modern politics. I may come across as daft but as a young student who has leftist views, why is this?
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