cambridgefox Posted 27 November 2015 Posted 27 November 2015 I pray to the great lord Jamie Vardy every night. That being has all power.your sig.Brilliant.
Bettsj2 Posted 27 November 2015 Posted 27 November 2015 When Livingston said what he did on Question Time, Matt Forde said 'Oh so we just believe the terrorist propaganda do we?' That really sums up a massive problem to me. It isnt really propaganda is it? Why do we find it so hard to accept that bombing campaigns and occupations by western forces in the regions have fueled recruitment for these terror groups as a huge number of innocent people have died in the process. It doesnt excuse it in any way but it certainly gives them a reason as much as the attacks on Paris have given cause to bomb Syria. A bloody hospital got wiped out by America. How many died there with nothing more than a shrug of the shoulders? People saying they cant understand why those who were born here could be radicalised. Really? I dont like it but its pretty easy to see how it can happen. Until governments can be a little bit more sympathetic to those being radicalised, we wont stop them being radicalised in the first place.
Webbo Posted 27 November 2015 Posted 27 November 2015 Why did the Islamists fly a plane into the world trade centre? What had the western world done up till then?
maddog Posted 27 November 2015 Posted 27 November 2015 Why did the Islamists fly a plane into the world trade centre? What had the western world done up till then? Webbo, Chillax man, it was 11.15pm on a Friday night (when you posted). Such depth of question should be saved for Monday. Chill man, we're gonna beat Manchester United tomorrow and the stadium shall be rocking more than normal, because the smokers will not be allowed to smoke at half time. If anything shall explode, it be the nicotine cravers.
MooseBreath Posted 28 November 2015 Posted 28 November 2015 Why did the Islamists fly a plane into the world trade centre? What had the western world done up till then? Bin Laden was mad about all sorts of US involvement against Muslims in Somalia, Saudi Arabia etc. I don't think the question of 'who started it' could ever be answered cleanly. You can trace the conflict back all the way to the crusades in the 11th century and probably before that as well.
Bettsj2 Posted 28 November 2015 Posted 28 November 2015 Why did the Islamists fly a plane into the world trade centre? What had the western world done up till then?Old Osama named 5 or 6 reasons all of which the death toll suffered by muslims by far outstrip any casualty numbers we've suffered, but once again, we seem to not count those. You can look them up online.Or watch Zeitgeist on youtube if you fancy a conspiracy theory about it all.
Guest Posted 28 November 2015 Posted 28 November 2015 There actually seems to be growing scientific evidence pointing towards the involvement of "a higher power" in the cosmic scheme of things, however that power might be defined. http://www.infowars.com/yet-more-evidence-emerges-that-our-universe-is-a-grand-simulation-created-by-an-intelligent-designer/ Not doing those starving African children or French coffee drinkers much good is it?
Guest Posted 28 November 2015 Posted 28 November 2015 Not sure why there is so much uproar about Corby asking what his party thinks. There are far more reasonable arguments with Corby than whether we should add more air strikes to syria. I would have thought that millions agree with corby and millions disagree with him. It wouldn't surprise me if more labour supporters agree with him than disagree. The French did it because they needed to retailiate but it's quite clear that air strikes alone are a completely impotent form of attack. France have made hundreds at great financial cost and hurt IS very little. There big 30 strikes after the Paris attack supposedly killed 30 people (less than that US killed at the friendly hospital). If Labour mps want to rail against Corbyn continually at least pick reasonable arguments if not consider forming a new labour party.
Webbo Posted 28 November 2015 Posted 28 November 2015 Old Osama named 5 or 6 reasons all of which the death toll suffered by muslims by far outstrip any casualty numbers we've suffered, but once again, we seem to not count those. You can look them up online. Or watch Zeitgeist on youtube if you fancy a conspiracy theory about it all. Save me the research, tell me?
Richard Posted 28 November 2015 Posted 28 November 2015 Bin Laden wrote an open letter to the West saying why they did what they did. Its largely revenge across different scales. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver
Webbo Posted 28 November 2015 Posted 28 November 2015 Bin Laden wrote an open letter to the West saying why they did what they did. Its largely revenge across different scales. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver So we support Israel,allow homosexuality and drinking. We totally deserve it.
leicsmac Posted 28 November 2015 Posted 28 November 2015 The West helped create the Wahabist monster through interfering in the Middle East on a pretty much continual basis since WW2, mainly down to making sure the oil supply from there kept going. It didn't really kick into high gear until the 80's when we felt we needed them to take on the Dirty Commies in Afghanistan and a couple of other places and thought they'd make good cannon fodder. Of course that (along with the aforementioned interfering) has left something of a bad taste in the mouth and encouraged the rise of the Wahabist sect, which is the sect most of the recent Islamic terrorist groups - as well as their powerful backers in Saudi Arabia - draw from.
Dr The Singh Posted 28 November 2015 Posted 28 November 2015 The West helped create the Wahabist monster through interfering in the Middle East on a pretty much continual basis since WW2, mainly down to making sure the oil supply from there kept going. It didn't really kick into high gear until the 80's when we felt we needed them to take on the Dirty Commies in Afghanistan and a couple of other places and thought they'd make good cannon fodder. Of course that (along with the aforementioned interfering) has left something of a bad taste in the mouth and encouraged the rise of the Wahabist sect, which is the sect most of the recent Islamic terrorist groups - as well as their powerful backers in Saudi Arabia - draw from.Wahabism, or strict Islamic doctrine was going through the ages. You should read Indian history, waves and waves of Islamic invaders came from the middle East, with that Islamic wahabistic approach. My point is, this mentality was not created by the west. It was already there, regardless of the Wests interference, this pott bole of the middle East would be still in a mess, cus throughout the ages, it always has been
Dr The Singh Posted 28 November 2015 Posted 28 November 2015 Bin Laden wrote an open letter to the West saying why they did what they did. Its largely revenge across different scales. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver I'm sure, Bin Laden or some other stooge would have found a reason to attack the west
bovril Posted 28 November 2015 Posted 28 November 2015 That letter is obviously written by someone whose religion gives him a sense of superiority over the others, particularly "the Jews". It is racist and tribal bullshit and propagates the very dangerous victim narrative prevalent in the Middle East. And from the first paragraph it is clear that he is justifying the murder of others based purely on their belief system. The Muslim world is not the only part of our planet that has suffered from colonisation, foreign intervention and imperialism.
Thracian Posted 28 November 2015 Posted 28 November 2015 Not doing those starving African children or French coffee drinkers much good is it? Not doing those starving African children or French coffee drinkers much good is it? I didn't say or suggest anything about a benevolent "higher power"!
The Doctor Posted 28 November 2015 Posted 28 November 2015 There actually seems to be growing scientific evidence pointing towards the involvement of "a higher power" in the cosmic scheme of things, however that power might be defined. http://www.infowars.com/yet-more-evidence-emerges-that-our-universe-is-a-grand-simulation-created-by-an-intelligent-designer/ Infowars? Alex Jones is a moronic fruitloop who doesn't understand any sort of idea of debating beyond he who shouts loudest wins, he's never had anything resembling a coherent thought and anyone who takes anything he says remotely seriously is worth only scorn and derision.
Thracian Posted 28 November 2015 Posted 28 November 2015 I pray to the great lord Jamie Vardy every night. That being has all power. I pray to the great lord Jamie Vardy every night. That being has all power. He sure did this evening...what a goal and what a player!
Guest MattP Posted 30 November 2015 Posted 30 November 2015 The most interesting week on politics ahead for a long time methinks...
MooseBreath Posted 30 November 2015 Posted 30 November 2015 This climate change study is a fascinating study in absolute bullshit of the highest order.
Guest Posted 30 November 2015 Posted 30 November 2015 This climate change study is a fascinating study in absolute bullshit of the highest order. And the political promises have been there for 30+ years.
Rincewind Posted 30 November 2015 Posted 30 November 2015 I would like to see a reasonable, legitimate and neutral excuse for this. If one can be given I will accept it. Should MP's(of all party's) be able to bid for contracts awarded by the government in power be it Tory or Labour? Is it not a conflict of interest? Is it morally right? http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/02/24/rifkind-firm-awarded-nhs-contract-despite-charging-7-million-more-than-nhs-prides-purge/
Bellend Sebastian Posted 30 November 2015 Posted 30 November 2015 Free vote for Labour on Syria air strikes it is, then. Probably didn't have much choice on that, really. In other news, this Mark Clarke character's a bit of a charmer, isn't he? Always makes my mind boggle on how these (alleged) tosspots get into a position of responsibility in any organisation - everybody sees the train about to crash, but nobody does anything about it. In other, other news, the world leaders seem to be taking the whole climate change thing seriously for a change, so maybe we won't all die within a couple of generations after all, eh Moose?
Rincewind Posted 30 November 2015 Posted 30 November 2015 How Tory are you? I have to admit, the test is a little biased. I cannot see anyone answering 3 to any of the questions. All mine were one or two and I got 0% Tory.A silly quiz. Even Moose could get under 40%. That takes some doing for him. 0% – 40%:You are in no way a Tory. You probably still think unemployment is caused by a lack of jobs and not by unfettered hordes of asylum-seeking lesbians and scrounging single mothers flooding into the country from JohnnyForeignerLand. Not true. Unemployment can be caused by many things or a combination.
MooseBreath Posted 30 November 2015 Posted 30 November 2015 I would like to see a reasonable, legitimate and neutral excuse for this. If one can be given I will accept it. Should MP's(of all party's) be able to bid for contracts awarded by the government in power be it Tory or Labour? Is it not a conflict of interest? Is it morally right? http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/02/24/rifkind-firm-awarded-nhs-contract-despite-charging-7-million-more-than-nhs-prides-purge/ As long as procurement procedures and regulations are followed I don't see the problem.
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