Bettsj2 Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 Watching this debate is a true mind fvck. One minute i'm booking an appointment with the local army recruitment centre, the next i'm hugging a tree, crying and muttering, 'why cant we just get along'.
Guest MattP Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 It's been tremendous, some fantastic points made, real politics. It's a shame so many big hitters haven't stayed to listen to it all.
MPH Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 regulated fracking is the future that's attainable now....
Bettsj2 Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 It's been tremendous, some fantastic points made, real politics. It's a shame so many big hitters haven't stayed to listen to it all. Definitely. More and more ipads have appeared the last hour.
Thracian Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 Morals? Why have we allowed ourselves to be blackmailed over oil. We should've invested in alternative energy 40 years ago when we realised it was a problem. AND we should still be doing it now. We are. My oldest's just taken delivery of his all-electric Tesla and reckons we'll all be driving electric or hydrogen-driven vehicles in next-to-no- time....the electric ones powered, for the most part, by just plugging into our own solar panels. But the Middle East hellfire is not about oil power - it's about human power ... the desire to dominate and control through ideology. It's nothing new - just the latest chapters in a series that do nothing but reflect the willingness of man to be as evil as it takes to satisfy his own ends.
Thracian Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 Watching this debate is a true mind fvck. One minute i'm booking an appointment with the local army recruitment centre, the next i'm hugging a tree, crying and muttering, 'why cant we just get along'. We never have and we never will until we learn to cure the mind of so much sickness.
fuchsntf Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 Boots on the ground, from all Arab countries, backed up by military aircraft from all European countries. Get America and Russians to decide how to split up Syria Then throw in Russia and America, top quality Helicoptors, and Tanks.Using with UK their special forces in union Make a chain across all borders,1 chain stays on the borders, the other moves in, given time and organisation to cover the vast mountain areas. Leaving behind peace- keeping Personelle, and local Police and military stock to police the cities or townships cleared out.Ask China to be the go betweens, and other help they would deem to be worthy. Stop any civil flights, to and fro from the middle-eastern country for 3 months.No flights out to anywhere.. Support non technical advanced countries businesses to Video-conference and Skype. Keep Israelis out of the conflict. Oh !!! then wake me up from my idealist dreams.By telling me its all over, and there is no more nasty men under my bed.. Then give me the saved Video-replays of city winning the double.
Merging Cultures Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 IS are Sunni's too. President Obama was bought up a Sunni. This is a bit of a jumble, sorry, I'm medicated! His Mum was secular, his birth father was a Kenyan Muslim who didn't practice and left the family shortly after Obama's birth. His step-father was a nominal Sunni Muslim from Indonesia, which is a very moderate country. He married Obama's Mum when Obama was 4, he then went back to Indonesia a year later. The family followed in 1967, when Obama was 6. Obama then attended a Catholic church for first, second and part of third grade. He then did the rest of third and fourth grade in a local government school. In 1971, he went back to Hawaii and to an American school, where he stayed. So between the ages of 6-10, Obama lived in a moderate Sunni Muslim country, attended a Catholic school, and a local government school, and lived with an agnostic and a nominal non- practising Muslim. Undoubtedly, 4 very informative years. His Mum remained married to her second husband until 1980, his birth father died in 1981. But she did ensure Obama would try to stay in touch with both men, when they were alive. But he only saw his birth dad once more in 1971. They obviously had a big impact on him. However, to say he was brought up [as] a Sunni Muslim isn't quite correct.
MPH Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 This is a bit of a jumble, sorry, I'm medicated! His Mum was secular, his birth father was a Kenyan Muslim who didn't practice and left the family shortly after Obama's birth. His step-father was a nominal Sunni Muslim from Indonesia, which is a very moderate country. He married Obama's Mum when Obama was 4, he then went back to Indonesia a year later. The family followed in 1967, when Obama was 6. Obama then attended a Catholic church for first, second and part of third grade. He then did the rest of third and fourth grade in a local government school. In 1971, he went back to Hawaii and to an American school, where he stayed. So between the ages of 6-10, Obama lived in a moderate Sunni Muslim country, attended a Catholic school, and a local government school, and lived with an agnostic and a nominal non- practising Muslim. Undoubtedly, 4 very informative years. His Mum remained married to her second husband until 1980, his birth father died in 1981. But she did ensure Obama would try to stay in touch with both men, when they were alive. But he only saw his birth dad once more in 1971. They obviously had a big impact on him. However, to say he was brought up [as] a Sunni Muslim isn't quite correct. and just to add to that, his mother in law got in a lot of trouble for practicing a type of African Witch craft whilst visiting with them in the white house!
Thracian Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 I won't labour the subject but anyone interested in Obama's views and background might key in "Is Obama a Muslim" and listen to a few of the YouTube entries. They're quite alarming at times.
Webbo Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 I won't labour the subject but anyone interested in Obama's views and background might key in "Is Obama a Muslim" and listen to a few of the YouTube entries. They're quite alarming at times. Anyone can post anything on Youtube, doesn't make it true.
Harry - LCFC Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 I won't labour the subject but anyone interested in Obama's views and background might key in "Is Obama a Muslim" and listen to a few of the YouTube entries. They're quite alarming at times. What kind of evidence do they provide in these videos?
Thracian Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 What kind of evidence do they provide in these videos? If you want to be cynical the "evidence" you speak of is perhaps what you'd consider a whole lot of character assassinators who can somehow get away with presenting all sorts of scurrilous attacks on an entirely wonderful bloke. I only suggested listening if you were "interested". It's not compulsory or even something I'd consider worthwhile for anyone whose views were already firmly formed.
Guest Bilo Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 I have to say that was a seriously good speech by Hilary Benn.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 Phenomenal speech from Hilary Benn there. Though the uproar after the SNP clapped makes the clapping bizarre
Guest MattP Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 Amazing Hillary Benn, you ain't getting that 16-1 I recommended last week now on him being next leader. Although he's probably lose in the run off in 2021 to Owen Jones.
MooseBreath Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 No, really it's not. There wasn't many electric cars around 40 years ago.
fuchsntf Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 I want to say something that makes me proud..... I listened to 80% of todays talk on the debate of the day/week. No matter what your opinions are, today one seen the UK parlament at its best. Yes the shouting down was childish... But our MPs today earned their bread, they shown democracy at its best. All speaches no matter what side they fell were very well put, and in all different accents. SHADOW secretary Benn, finished with a stirring and well planned speach.I am not for intervention, or extra Airstrikes, but it showed today that we dont need whips and shouldnt have them.I still presume that the conservatives have been whipping...so to say. Today shown very hard theme come issue can be discussed at a fair yes fair level. I am sure I wont see my wishes taken forward, but I support the excellent democratic platform where All MPs were allowed to be heard.
Harry - LCFC Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 I'm against bombing in urban areas. I think those opposed are right to say that the collateral damage in such circumstances will be greater than the good done by removing ISIS fighters: civilian casualties, injuries, fear among the population and possibly more radicalisation as ISIS use it to portray us in they way they want to. However, when Hilary Benn quoted remarks from the Kurdish leader it really brought home to me the amount of good that well-placed intervention can do. A lot of the 'anti' side are suggesting those in favour of bombing of bringing about more death and destruction - that accusation cannot be made in the case of the Kurdish border.
Harry - LCFC Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 397 votes for the motion, 223 votes against. That's quite a significant victory.
Lionator Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html How relevant is this 27 months on?
fuchsntf Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 Ok now descisions have been made. Lets see in 3 months,6 months, a Year, how far it brings us and the effect on the various situations. BUT my god, if UK airforce makes one mistake relevant to colateral damage........... The politicians and airforce bigshots selling of precision weapons are now under the microscope. Understand one thing, dont dare to box my opinions, now we have chosen this path, I pray, beg hope, that the whole movement from the allies/coallition ends in success, helping to arrive at bringing calm to peoples, the guy n gals on the streets of these troubled areas.That building family lifes and societies, will become a norm, whether under democratic or other acceptable to locals government.We cant go on for another 20 years, or we will face a world full of more refugees on land mass, than settled countries.
Fox92 Posted 2 December 2015 Posted 2 December 2015 I still can't believe 67 Labour MP's voted in favour.
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